Clown Car V: 2020 version!

[mitsho]

I‘m still amazed how much scrutiny there seem to be about the Clintons while Trump could get away with Tax and Inheritance fraud for 40 years since the 1980ies. Yeah, he wasn‘t in politics, but shouldn‘t the state of New York not have cared about their tax income?

 

[Broken_Erika]

Former Houston police captain charged with pointing gun at repairman, believing he was a voter fraud 'mastermind'

(CNN)A former Houston police captain was charged Tuesday with running a man off the road and pointing a gun to his head two weeks before the election as part of a baseless voter fraud conspiracy theory, the Harris County district attorney said in a statement.

Mark Anthony Aguirre, 63, was paid more than a quarter-million dollars by a Houston-based private citizens group investigating unsubstantiated 2020 election fraud claims, prosecutors said.
On October 16, Aguirre asked a lieutenant with the Texas Attorney General's Office to conduct a traffic stop to help with his investigation, according to a Houston police affidavit obtained by CNN. When the idea was rejected, Aguirre said he would do it himself and "make a citizen's arrest," the affidavit says.

Three days later, Aguirre allegedly ran his SUV into the back of a man's truck, and when the man got out, Aguirre pointed a gun at him, forced him to the ground and put his knee on the man's back -- an image captured by police body camera when officers arrived, according to prosecutors.

Aguirre told authorities he had conducted surveillance on the man for four days, according to the district attorney's news release. Aguirre said he suspected there were 750,000 fraudulent ballots inside the truck and that the man was "the mastermind of a giant (voter) fraud," the release states.

In fact, the man was an "innocent and ordinary" air-conditioner repairman, prosecutors said. Responding authorities found no ballots inside the vehicle, only air conditioner parts and tools, prosecutors said.
A charging document from the Harris County district clerk's office identified the alleged victim as David Lopez-Zuniga.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/16/us/former-houston-captain-vigilante-voter-fraud-incident/index.html

 

[FriendlyFire]

"the mastermind of a giant (voter) fraud,"

Why would the mastermind keep 750,000 ballots in the back of a Truck ?
They keep it in the basement of a Pizza store

 

[Broken_Erika]

Trump Twitter ‘hack’: Police accept attacker's claim

Dutch prosecutors have found a hacker did successfully log in to Donald Trump's Twitter account by guessing his password - "MAGA2020!"

But they will not be punishing Victor Gevers, who was acting "ethically".

Mr Gevers shared what he said were screenshots of the inside of Mr Trump's account on 22 October, during the final stages of the US presidential election.

But at the time, the White House denied it had been hacked and Twitter said it had no evidence of it.

In reference to the latest development, Twitter said: "We've seen no evidence to corroborate this claim, including from the article published in the Netherlands today. We proactively implemented account security measures for a designated group of high-profile, election-related Twitter accounts in the United States, including federal branches of government."

The White House has not responded to a request for further comment.

Mr Gevers said he was very happy with the outcome.

"This is not just about my work but all volunteers who look for vulnerabilities in the internet," he said.

The well respected cyber-security researcher said he had been conducting a semi-regular sweep of the Twitter accounts of high-profile US election candidates, on 16 October, when he had guessed President Trump's password.

Dutch police said: "The hacker released the login himself.

"He later stated to police that he had investigated the strength of the password because there were major interests involved if this Twitter account could be taken over so shortly before the presidential election."

They had sent the US authorities their findings, they added.

Mr Gevers had told officers he had substantially more evidence of the "hack".

In theory, he would have been able to see all the president's data, including:

• private photos and messages
• privately bookmarked tweets
• how many people he had blocked

The president's account, which has 89 million followers, is now secure.

But Twitter has refused to answer direct questions from BBC News, including whether the account had extra security or logs that would have shown an unknown login.

Earlier this year, Mr Gevers also claimed he and other security researchers had logged in to Mr Trump's Twitter account in 2016 using a password - "yourefired" - linked to another of his social-network accounts in a previous data breach.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55337192

 

[cardgame]

It really validates Cloud's diagnosis: these people are mentally unwell.

 

[Berzerker]

I've commented on this kind of argument previously at length and what I'll repeat is that when folks don't like the "what" ie the cause, goal or underlying message, etc., they aren't going to like the "how", regardless of what form it takes. A great example is that the same people who condemn the "violence" and "riots" of BLM protesters and claim that they "sympathize with the cause but they are going about it the wrong way" will then condemn the NFL kneeling protests saying they "sympathize with the cause but they are going about it the wrong way" and the NBA painting Black Lives Matter on the court saying they "sympathize with the cause but they are going about it the wrong way"...

No matter what we do, we are always "going about it the wrong way", because "going about it the wrong way" is just a euphemism, sometimes conscious, but more often subconscious, for disagreeing with the cause. I generally give folks the benefit of the doubt and assume its the latter.

If free speech is the issue the cause is irrelevant, only the how matters. You're conflating a knee with the destruction of people's property and livelihoods, one is free speech, the other is a crime. Now some people objected to Kaepernick for disrespecting the flag/anthem, others objected to taking a knee on their dime and time.

I had no problem with his message or the how he chose, I was there long before the woke got out of bed. But I cant fault owners for dumping him if he drives the audience away. I wish people were more respectful of free speech, but cancel culture is a by product of "us & them".

 

[FriendlyFire]

But I cant fault owners for dumping him if he drives the audience away.

Why dont you feel the same way about Twitter / social media putting up disclaimers and removing dangerous information ? Its a private business and need to make money as well.

President Trump will lose his current world-leader-status exemptions from Twitter’s policies after Joe Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20, exposing him to stricter moderation.

Twitter has confirmed that Trump’s personal account could face restrictions or even a ban if he continues proliferating what the platform considers “conspiracy theories” after becoming a private citizen, The Independent reported. (RELATED: Benjamin Netanyahu Removes Trump From His Twitter Profile Picture)

Twitter applies unique policies to world leaders and various public officials of major importance, leaving rule-infringing content unremoved if the public has a “clear” interest in being able to access such content, according to The Verge.

After noon, January 20, however, Trump will be ineligible for this protection and will have to follow the same guidelines as regular citizens, a Twitter spokesperson told Forbes on Thursday.

 

[Farm Boy]

Berz, cancel culture is a trendy name for stupidity and malice and refusal to forgive. It is the mind of the righteous (wo)man. It is criminal background checks and lawyers keeping men from earning an honest living because of transgressions long paid. It is Paula Dean off the air. It is Kapernick an issue, it is tear down that old battle rag. It is refusing to recognize Protestant clergy rapes as often as Catholics, or that police are thousands upon thousands of empowered yet fallible people dealing with everyone's worst day ever, every day. It is a lot of things. "Us and them" is only one of the things cancel culture is, itself a product of righteousness. None are free from sin; certainly not they who recognize it, certainly not they that disavow its existence, and certainly not they that believe nothing endures. There is no time for that petty ****. The world does not hold its treasures tight. You must, for no other will.

 

[Berzerker]

So, what did they find?

Massive Cheeting

Can I send you some money for a pacifier or something? Would that make you feel better about your boi losing?

My boi was a gal... Funny thing though, Republicans were saying stuff like that to Democrats after the 2016 election and I thought they were immature back then. Well, other than Hillary not being a boi ofc. You sound like the people you hate. Why is that? So the woke left has embraced the security state, spying on political opponents, corporate censorship, domestic terrorism, and election interference.

Berzerker wasn't a Trump voter, but if someone was one, then they were part of the problem.

Don't hire people who are sensitive to international pressure.

I thought that was a problem for Trump voters, turns out its a problem for Biden voters. Its amazing how many times I've seen Democrats accuse Trump only to find out I'm watching a projector.

Why dont you feel the same way about Twitter / social media putting up disclaimers and removing dangerous information ?
Its a private business and need to make money as well.

I do feel the same way, I cant fault Twitter for firing people who drive business away with on the job political speeches. But Twitter got rich because they're exempt from lawsuits to promote free speech. Now they want to play editor and still get the exemption. Why? Because the Democrats used their "The Russians Are Coming" BS to censor critics.

 

[cardgame]

Suing twitter for fact-checking you is like suing Fox News for cutting off your mic as you go on a long spew about Jews and the Illuminati. It's their platform, they don't have to entertain your nonsense. I thought you were a libertarian?

 

[FriendlyFire]

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project <---- we are here now

Value of Loeffler’s Mansion Dropped $6M Overnight—and Nobody Can Explain Why
"The estate went from a $10.5 million appraisal to $4.1 million, resulting in a much lower tax bill for the senator and her husband."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/value...-dollar6m-overnightand-nobody-can-explain-why

 

[FriendlyFire]

I do feel the same way, I cant fault Twitter for firing people who drive business away with on the job political speeches. But Twitter got rich because they're exempt from lawsuits to promote free speech. Now they want to play editor and still get the exemption. Why? Because the Democrats used their "The Russians Are Coming" BS to censor critics.

So where do you stand on government regulations ?
How much responsibility for being sued for the actions of users ? If someone inject disinfectant because they read Trumps tweet that is "free speech" and sued Twitter. How would that work ?

potential legislation that would limit protections for social media companies under Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act, which provides a shield to online publishers from liability for content generated by users. Several proposals have already been introduced.
Zuckerberg admitted that social media platforms "have responsibilities, and it may make sense for there to be liability for some of the content that is on the platform." But he also said that social media platforms are not news publishers and therefore they still require some protections under the law.
As the influence and size of companies like Google, Twitter and Facebook have grown, lawmakers have questioned whether more regulation is needed to rein in their power. Democrats are troubled by the rampant flow of hate speech and disinformation, including interference by foreign countries in the 2020 US presidential election. Republicans, led by Trump, allege their speech is being censored by social media sites. There's no evidence the allegation is true, and the companies strongly deny the claim.

https://www.cnet.com/news/whats-sec...ed-to-know-about-free-speech-on-social-media/

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

My boi was a gal... Funny thing though, Republicans were saying stuff like that to Democrats after the 2016 election and I thought they were immature back then. Well, other than Hillary not being a boi ofc. You sound like the people you hate. Why is that? So the woke left has embraced the security state, spying on political opponents, corporate censorship, domestic terrorism, and election interference.

Why did you quote me?

 

[Berzerker]

Suing twitter for fact-checking you is like suing Fox News for cutting off your mic as you go on a long spew about Jews and the Illuminati. It's their platform, they don't have to entertain your nonsense. I thought you were a libertarian?

Suing Twitter for fact checking? First and foremost, this push for censorship is the direct result of Democrats in Congress calling for it. Thats like Trump butting into the Kaepernick protest but on a far more massive scale with nastier repercussions for society and the 1st Amendment.

Given the 4 years of Russiagate BS these platforms allowed they're obviously not concerned with fact checking content, but it aint censorship if they do. These are entities protected from lawsuits for content. Thats why they're so wealthy and being a libertarian doesn't mean I gotta like politically motivated censorship from ostensibly open and neutral platforms.

So where do you stand on government regulations ?
How much responsibility for being sued for the actions of users ? If someone inject disinfectant because they read Trumps tweet that is "free speech" and sued Twitter. How would that work ?

They cant sue twitter and it is free speech. He was speculating and rambling about a subject he didn't understand, shocking given the source. From your link:

Democrats are troubled by the rampant flow of hate speech and disinformation, including interference by foreign countries in the 2020 US presidential election.

Yes, the people who brought us the Steele Dossier are concerned with foreign disinformation.

 

[cardgame]

Who was censored? As far as I'm aware, Trump is still tweeting even though it's in blatant violation of the rules, the terms of service.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Given the 4 years of Russiagate BS these platforms allowed they're obviously not concerned with fact checking content, but it aint censorship if they do.

https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the...resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

Media on November 3rd: There's nothing to this Hunter Biden story, its all a debunked conspiracy and Russian disinformation - even 50 intelligence experts said so

Media on November 4th: The FBI announced it is investigating Hunter and has been for a couple years

Where are these 50 intelligence experts now? Seeking jobs with Joe Biden for services rendered

What did they find?

 

[Samson]

Berz, cancel culture is a trendy name for stupidity and malice and refusal to forgive. It is the mind of the righteous (wo)man. It is criminal background checks and lawyers keeping men from earning an honest living because of transgressions long paid. It is Paula Dean off the air. It is Kapernick an issue, it is tear down that old battle rag. It is refusing to recognize Protestant clergy rapes as often as Catholics, or that police are thousands upon thousands of empowered yet fallible people dealing with everyone's worst day ever, every day. It is a lot of things. "Us and them" is only one of the things cancel culture is, itself a product of righteousness. None are free from sin; certainly not they who recognize it, certainly not they that disavow its existence, and certainly not they that believe nothing endures. There is no time for that petty ****. The world does not hold its treasures tight. You must, for no other will.

I am not sure I get this. Cancel culture is the 140 year old and quite effective protest tactic of boycott applied to media sources. The first person to be "cancelled" (or at least the first person who was famous enough to get it named after them) was Charles Boycott who supported land owners rights over workers. One of its greatest success is the boycott of South Africa. I suspect the complaint here is not against the tactic, but the targets.

How this can be conflated with the actions of police and prosecutors I do not get. Their actions are the things that people vote on, in the US quite directly. That is completely different to things that one boycotts.

 

[Farm Boy]

Some people find the knife interesting. I do not find this one super engaging. The sharpener and weilder of the knife are more interesting. If you want to discuss 140 years gone patina, go ahead. Shiny.

 

[Gorbles]

Some people find the knife interesting. I do not find this one super engaging. The sharpener and weilder of the knife are more interesting. If you want to discuss 140 years gone patina, go ahead. Shiny.

Some people find the sharpener and wielder of the knife to be more interesting. It isn't a decided thing that they are

 

[Samson]

Some people find the knife interesting. I do not find this one super engaging. The sharpener and weilder of the knife are more interesting. If you want to discuss 140 years gone patina, go ahead. Shiny.

We have:

• Weilder: Person making purchasing, labour or investment decisions
• Knife: Choosing what/who to support with your money / time
• Target: Person being "judged" as to whether they get the money / time

I am not sure who the sharpener is. Perhaps celebrities who encourage others to boycott? I thought you were complaining about "cancel culture [being] a trendy name for stupidity and malice and refusal to forgive". I think the main problem is the target, as shown by how few people in the west complained about south africa getting "cancelled", but more about Israel.