Clown Car V: 2020 version!

[Ziggy Stardust]

You asked me what the FBI has on the Bidens.

I did not.

 

[Berzerker]

I did not.

You asked me what the FBI found out (or was that cardgame?), I told you what I know they have from what I've seen. The laptop, Tony Bobulinsky and other associates of the Biden family. Enough to show Joe Biden was using his office to enrich his family and lying about it, blackmail material.

Now you're talking... here we go.

So in this one paragraph you've identified Biden-voters as the Pharisees... but then a couple sentences later, you've switched it to Biden himself being the Pharisees.

There's so much wrong with your analogy, so many holes, so many contradictions, but lets address this contradiction first. Is it Biden himself who is supposed to be the Pharisees or is it Biden-voters? Cause those are two totally different things.

We were talking about corruption, a couple sentences later I brought up foreign policy. Why is that a contradiction? The Pharisee would be Biden because of his record on foreign policy. Now if Trump had invaded a few countries and criticized the foreign policy of Obama and Biden he'd be throwing stones, not the people calling him out for his hypocrisy. If an alcoholic criticized you for smoking pot, what would be your reaction? I'd point at the beer in their hand and laugh as "he who is without sin" popped into my mind.

Another thing... the moral of "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", is that unless you are perfect, you are in no position to criticize anyone. So... where the eff do you get off quoting that scripture, but then criticizing Biden... or any of the Democrats FT? Are you saying that you yourself are without mistake, blemish, or sin? See, the whole point of that scripture, was to highlight that Jesus himself was a perfect being, free from all sin. So he alone was in position to fairly and impartially judge, and ultimately, forgive sin. You are not Jesus, so you cannot invoke the "let he who is without sin" to justify your position on anything. You... like the Pharisees, are an ordinary, sinful mortal being... so when you invoke that scripture, you concede that when you criticize Biden, the Democrats, etc... you are no different than the Pharisees.. you are a flawed, sinful mortal being, hypocritically calling out the sins of others.

Jeez... you've quoted one scripture and your analogy is already falling apart... as expected... which is exactly why I insisted that you quote an actual scripture. Your argument is trash. Class dismissed.

Jesus' alleged perfection is of interest, but the moral of the story is dont condemn others if you're guilty too. Before removing the speck from your brother's eye, first remove the plank from your own. Once you've done that, you are not perfect, but you can now see clearly to remove the speck.

Your interpretation that only He can ask Pharisees if they are without sin is at odds with Jesus' habit of identifying hypocrisy to his followers. So lets say the disciples were asked about stoning adulterers, how would they respond? I'd expect them to quote or paraphrase Jesus.

Thats what anybody does when they call out hypocrisy with that verse, those words come from a perfect being. The few times I've used it was in response to Biden supporters throwing stones from glass houses, around here the verse is under employed. Funny thing though, we didn't need Jesus telling us that to understand the nature of hypocrisy. He didn't clue us into anything we didn't already know. Now why did you get mad at me for calling Kamala and Joe blue?

After 4 YEARS of TRUMPS BS and Lies
how are you still regurgitating this without doing a 5 second google search and still giving Trump the benefit of the doubt on anything ?

Can you quote your link showing the laptop doesn't belong to Hunter? I dont know what you're challenging with it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You asked me what the FBI found out

About Hunter Biden, read the post you quoted.

"Media on November 4th: The FBI announced it is investigating Hunter and has been for a couple years"

The laptop

What did they find?

 

[Berzerker]

Their discoveries are not limited to Hunter. I already explained what they found, email exchanges showing Biden family business ventures.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Their discoveries are not limited to Hunter.

No, but you brought up Hunter many, many pages ago, and have since been deflecting my question.

That speaks volumes. Thanks for participating.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

I literally couldn't care less about Hunter. Many Americans don't have food. The $600 checks are a joke. Get a grip.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/f...r-fraud-claims-they-pushed-on-air-01608595049

NEW YORK — Two election technology companies whose names have come up in President Donald Trump’s false charges of widespread voter fraud in the presidential election are fighting back, prompting unusual public statements from Fox News and Newsmax.

The statements, over the weekend and on Monday, came after the companies Smartmatic and Dominion raised the prospect of legal action for reporting what they said was false information about them.

“No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election,” Newsmax said.

As a running theme of the Trump Campaign and it's sycophants:

Ruthless when duping their audience, chickening out when legal action comes calling.

 

[Berzerker]

No, but you brought up Hunter many, many pages ago, and have since been deflecting my question.

That speaks volumes. Thanks for participating.

No, what? You asked what the FBI has found and I told you what I know they have.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

No, what? You asked what the FBI has found and I told you what I know they have.

No you didn't tell me what they found about Hunter.

Except for one word: laptop.

edit: For clarification, I do believe being a politician's son, there's a good chance there's a whole lot of dirt to do with corruption that can be found .... but until that's found you can go: Hunter Biden all you like, but with nothing to show for. If the FBI finds dirt on Hunter Biden, then you can go: what a corrupt slime! And I'll agree with you.

Until then however ...

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/19/fact-checking-claims-about-hunter-biden-joe-biden-/

The granular details of many of the allegations about Hunter Biden’s dealings in China are supported by documentation, but larger conclusions resurrected at the end of the 2020 campaign are unsubstantiated.

Foreign policy experts say these allegations do not add up to a picture of Joe Biden being corrupt or pursuing policies contrary to the national interest. There is no evidence that Hunter Biden came close to breaking the law, much less any evidence that his father has done so.

Critics say that the Trump family’s financial entanglements are at least as problematic, if not more so, than the Bidens’.

The last one is irrelevant and obvious.

 

[IglooDame]

Flynn suggests that Trump impound the evidence (i.e. the ballots) and recount the votes, presumably without machine assistance. That is not martial law. And it won't happen, so don't worry about it. Flynn is right to say SCOTUS wants no part of this, though he may be wrong about the reasons. Yes, Flynn is linking to the same crap you link to. And I doubt the existence of those White House sources, but that's just me.
And No I do not love Trump. He was created by fake news, it is fitting that he be destroyed by it. Sad, eh?

Are you one of those people that think that retweeting, or quoting someone else, enables one to deny they originally agreed or supported the sentiment expressed by the quote?

More to the point, does someone who led "lock her up" chants at Trump rallies in 2016 really strike you as likely to have a nuanced and reasonable view of executive powers and their boundaries?

 

[Farm Boy]

Jesus' alleged perfection is of interest, but the moral of the story is dont condemn others if you're guilty too. Before removing the speck from your brother's eye, first remove the plank from your own. Once you've done that, you are not perfect, but you can now see clearly to remove the speck.

It is not a Buddhist text. This is not six-sigma sharpen the saw(focused self-renewal).

Let us carry on with the vibe from before. "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." You can thereafter claim that to refuse to forgive yourself is to put yourself as a higher judge than God, and thus circle round back to as close as focused self-renewal as you are going to get; Christianity does not seek inward focused enlightenment and Godliness. If the speck and plank are sin, you cannot remove them on your own. That premise is all over everything. You can seek, and through seeking you may find and foster a more true value.

 

[Samson]

It is not a Buddhist text. This is not six-sigma sharpen the saw(focused self-renewal).

Let us carry on with the vibe from before. "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." You can thereafter claim that to refuse to forgive yourself is to put yourself as a higher judge than God, and thus circle round back to as close as focused self-renewal as you are going to get; Christianity does not seek inward focused enlightenment and Godliness. If the speck and plank are sin, you cannot remove them on your own. That premise is all over everything. You can seek, and through seeking you may find and foster a more true value.

Judge Not was a bit of a theme of Jesus.

 

[Farm Boy]

A sub theme, but sure. That is indeed partially why the super clever ones "judge on others' behalf" or some such when they go tearing the wings off flies.

 

[El_Machinae]

I'm not sure I'd call it a sub-theme, even. It's pretty foundational. It's probably the hardest part of the Lord's Prayer, I'd think, especially given how specific it is.
I will totally agree that we fail at it and then spin justifications for how our specific 'failure' is acceptable.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Judge Not was a bit of a theme of Jesus.

Aha. So Trump is a Christian. He also doesn't like judges.

 

[Farm Boy]

With some allotment for variation:

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy Name,
thy kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
for ever (and ever).

Judge not is linked, sure. But forgiveness is bigger as a concept. It is a requirement even if you fail at the not judging.

 

[El_Machinae]

Yeah, I definitely wrap Judging and Forgiving into the same concept there. English probably doesn't have the word, since in my head it's combined. The same mechanism that allows you to forgive is the same one that causes you to not judge.

 

[Farm Boy]

Assessing a trespass is a judgement. There can be no forgiveness without first a judgement.

It's not that easy.

 

[El_Machinae]

I would never suggest that the bar that Jesus sets is easy

 

[Birdjaguar]

Acceptance of others can be a simpler path: no judging; no forgiving;