Clown Car V: 2020 version!

[Sommerswerd]

Nowhere in my post did I say that is what was meant by victim. And you already drew a parallel to black people, if you wish to look at it that way: the answer is still yes.

So its absolutely fantastic that finally after hundreds of years, that the United States has finally elected its first black VPOTUS, since black people are victims by default, it is of course certainly monumentally valuable to have black people represented at the highest levels of government even if it is solely for racial representational purposes... since afterall... black people have been victimized by default... so you applaud and rejoice at Kamala Harris being the VPOTUS-elect, yes?

Also she is a woman and they are also victims by default being the weakest side both politically and economically since the beginning of this country, so for the same reasons you applaud and rejoice at Kamala Harris being the VPOTUS-elect, yes?

 

[Kyriakos]

So its absolutely fantastic that finally after hundreds of years, that the United States has finally elected its first black VPOTUS, since black people are victims by default and it is certainly monumentally valuable to have balck people represented at the highest levels of government even if it is solely for racial representational purposes... since afterall... black people have been victimized by default... so you applaud and rejoice at Kamala Harris being the VPOTUS-elect, yes?

Also she is a woman and they are also victims by default being the weakest side both politically and economically since the beginning of this country, so for the same reasons you applaud and rejoice at Kamala Harris being the VPOTUS-elect, yes?

I hope you aren't being serious
Besides, isn't Kamala indian? (not in the way Warren is ^_^ )

Should go without saying that being of race x doesn't mean you can now have whatever negative with impunity; no one is entitled to a government office either.

Moreover, you had a black potus. A black vpotus is nothing compared to that.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I hope you aren't being serious
Besides, isn't Kamala indian? (not in the way Warren is ^_^ )

Should go without saying that being of race x doesn't mean you can now have whatever negative with impunity; no one is entitled to a government office either.

Moreover, you had a black potus. A black vpotus is nothing compared to that.

I'm being as serious as you are Are Monica and Kamala both entitled to be "victims by default" or are we joking? Also "Indian" (East, West or Native) is a minority in the US, so still "victims by default" according to your comment... so regardless, the analogy stands, deflection attempt aside.

So are we just "joking" or are you serious about this "victims by default" thing? If we're "not being serious" then then we can let it go. Monica Lewinsky isn't a victim, nor is Kamala. Agreed?

 

[Zardnaar]

I think it's a bit odd to describe the paying off of a porn star by the POTUS as a porn star "attacking" the POTUS

 

[Berzerker]

Kamala aint black, she's blue and so is Joe

This Jared? https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/12/jared-kushner-campaign-shell-company

Yeah, I'm sure he has earned his keep, according to Trump.

Can you quote your link? Here's one I found

"it’s possible no laws were broken"

Okay, that may not mean much. It might have been legal for Hunter to follow Dad around the world filling the family coffers. But Jared did the leg work on the 1st step act deleting some of Biden's drug laws that have been decimating black communities for decades and he's had success advancing peace deals in troubled regions of the world. I dont care if he got a 6 figure salary for doing that, if he had a personality he could run for Prez barring some hidden skeleton. Nah, he's not conservative... I doubt he'd win a GOP primary and the Dems wont have him.

So I should take this to mean that you embrace/agree with the claims of widespread voter fraud causing Trump's loss?

As an aside... for a person who never cites a single chapter or verse of actual scripture... this constant referencing of "the Pharisees" is just... I mean...I guess what I'll say is... this is your go-to for some reason... so quote us a verse, if you're in church this freaking much. It's Christmas.

I've quoted scripture so many times I was told to cut down on it, now I'm being accused of never quoting scripture. You never read any ancient alien/Genesis threads I started? I cant think of anyone here who has quoted more scripture than me, maybe Plotinus. And I have quoted that specific verse but its just a few keystrokes away if you're intrigued, you dont need me for that.

The reason I use it is because hypocrisy was condemned more often by Jesus than any other sin and the Pharisees and adulteress is the proto-type. Biden supporters complaining about Trump's corruption invite a WWJD moment. Neither occupy the moral high ground, but it was the hypocrites who needed Jesus to show that. Course it aint like Jesus came up with some once in a blue moon uniquely special insight. Even little children are quick to learn about double standards.

As for the massive cheating, Ziggy was asking what the FBI has found about the Biden family and China. Judging by what we already know about how the Biden family operates in other parts of the world Joe gets to make policy, along with Tony Bobulinsky and the laptop, I'd say we're looking at the tip of an iceberg. It aint just the Bidens, look at Trump's enemies. Wall St hates his trade war and the military/security state hates reducing our boot print. Well, thats who owns the 2 parties... and Afghanistan has lithium.

 

[cardgame]

the laptop

If you want people to ignore you, you don't have to type up paragraphs. "The laptop" is sufficient for anyone to stop taking you seriously

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

As for the massive cheating, Ziggy was asking what the FBI has found about the Biden family and China.

No. I asked about your quote on Hunter.

Judging by what we already know about how the Biden family operates in other parts of the world Joe gets to make policy, along with Tony Bobulinsky and the laptop, I'd say we're looking at the tip of an iceberg. It aint just the Bidens, look at Trump's enemies. Wall St hates his trade war and the military/security state hates reducing our boot print. Well, thats who owns the 2 parties... and Afghanistan has lithium.

That's not the answer.

"Media on November 4th: The FBI announced it is investigating Hunter and has been for a couple years"
What did the FBI find?

Look, if the answer is: I don't know, just say so. I don't know either.

edit:

"it’s possible no laws were broken"

Indeed

 

[Samson]

Lewinsky was certainly the victim of terrible treatment by the media and public after the affair became public. But nowhere in that video you posted does she say that Clinton assaulted her or took advantage of her sexually. She has been consistent all along that the affair was consensual, and it is wrong for you to imply otherwise.

The point is that when there is a great difference in power in an employment situation the consent is not really possible to give. People lose their jobs for having relations in the presence of much smaller power differentials than between an intern and the POTUS.

 

[Farm Boy]

...and there's another.

 

[El_Machinae]

I think that people are expressing a nuanced view and then experiencing a black and white rebuttal.


Clinton should not have pursued the sexual relationship because of the imbalance due to the employment situation.

It's not the same as waiting until a PEOPLE reporter is alone in a room, and then rushing her and pressing her against the wall. And then after she rebuffs, creating a situation where she has to quit her job and stay quiet.

But the power imbalance, along with the general shamefulness of the secret, means that Clinton shouldn't have done it.

Just because it's not acceptable, that doesn't mean that it's the equivalent of some worse encounter

 

[Farm Boy]

Of all the reasons not to, that still leans most heavily on righteous infantilizing. She shouldn't have done it either, but whatever. It's not like her agency is useful as a tool here, which is really the point. Gross.

 

[El_Machinae]

Hey, she was old enough to get drafted and then shot.

There's no infantilizing, that's something you're reading in. Power imbalances exist without infantilizing.

Saying that Clinton made a mistake doesn't say anything about whether she did. That's another point that you're reading into it.

You know, the Zeitgeist where employers are no longer socially allowed to sleep with employees isn't a bad thing. Sure, it's disruptive, but whatever. It makes things less complicated.

 

[Sommerswerd]

You never read any ancient alien/Genesis threads I started?

No I haven't as far as I can remember, nor will I. So I will take your word for it that you quote scripture in those and acknowledge that I was wrong to say you don't quote scripture in general. I will also point out that I haven't noticed you quote any scripture in the political threads that I read, whereby you constantly reference the Pharisees and I will repeat, that if you're going to keep harping on the Pharisees, quote the scripture so we can evaluate the context of the reference you're making or the analogy you're drawing. Otherwise we're going to end up on the "Oh I didn't mean that scripture" dodge train.

 

[Farm Boy]

You know, the Zeitgeist where employers are no longer socially allowed to sleep with employees isn't a bad thing. Sure, it's disruptive, but whatever. It makes things less complicated.

Well, so long as it's easier for all the righteous in the face of decades of affirmative consent.

Peck, peck, peck.

 

[El_Machinae]

Assuming that someone who's desperate to get laid can properly read the situation when there's a power imbalance is asking a lot of people. The self-doubt regarding someone's own bias isn't a bad thing.

Wow, you're sure invested in this. Spent a lot of time defending Clinton?

 

[Farm Boy]

I don't give a **** about Clinton, but this is still gross as hell. Not because of the read on him.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Kamala aint black, she's blue

Gross... and offensive... but whateves... you do you.

I've quoted scripture so many times I was told to cut down on it, now I'm being accused of never quoting scripture. You never read any ancient alien/Genesis threads I started? I cant think of anyone here who has quoted more scripture than me, maybe Plotinus. And I have quoted that specific verse but its just a few keystrokes away if you're intrigued, you dont need me for that.

Indeed. So TL;DR you have no idea what scripture you're referring to and since you still can't quote a specific scripture to support it, your analogy is hot air... as usual. Duly noted, skipping the rest.

 

[Ajidica]

Why are we still talking about Clinton and Lewinsky?
Obvious it was inappropriate for Clinton given the immense power dynamics at play, but Lewinsky has stated she was a willing participant in the affair.

 

[Farm Boy]

They're like termites.

 

[Ajidica]

They're like termites.

Who are like termites?