Corona Virus: Who's fault and how can we hold it accountable?

Chinese people should stop eating weird stuff or maybe simply wash and cook their food before eating. I blame McDonald's for not trying hard enough. I vote for a worldwide ban on bat kabob's , dog with rice , fried spiders, snake shashlik, boiled rats, deep fried rats, rat pies, rat spaghetti and SPAM !

oh! ... and and Bob's Iguana-on-a-stick. Read "Tales of the Junktown jerky vendor" - It's all there !
 
Chinese people should stop eating weird stuff or maybe simply wash and cook their food before eating. I blame McDonald's for not trying hard enough. I vote for a worldwide ban on bat kabob's , dog with rice , fried spiders, snake shashlik, boiled rats, deep fried rats, rat pies, rat spaghetti and SPAM !

oh! ... and and Bob's Iguana-on-a-stick. Read "Tales of the Junktown jerky vendor" - It's all there !

Heh nice FO4 reference.
 
This is my view as well. Additionally, more than one world leader has publicly been downplaying the risk of the virus and its potential impact - surely they should be held responsible as well.

Though, if people really want to open up the bag of vipers that is reparations from a country that has ostensibly caused international harm, I wish you the best of luck. It would set quite the precedent that certain Western countries I believe would rather not see set ;)

And that leader who was downplaying the virus is now complaining that WHO and China downplayed the virus. Its a lot easier to blame China than to admit we didn't take it seriously until too late.
 
I blame myself. Why would I choose to live in a reality where something like this hapens? Am I mad?
 
You'll notice how many ask "who's at fault?"
The better question, because it creates an actionable item, is "what could I have done differently ahead of time?"
 
I blame myself. Why would I choose to live in a reality where something like this happens? Am I mad?
People need better math skills, count the corona-virus cases correctly, equip sufficient testing kits and protective equipment during the crisis. Barely enough today = Unenough tomorrow.

I believe the real total cases is around 1.7 to 1.8 millions for the United States including the unknown, asymptomatic and newly infected. Not enough testing kits = no containment to the wildfire.

South Koreans are really strong in math, thus they have much more testing kits and way less total cases.

U.S. Government was definitely at fault -
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/coronavirus-testing-cdc-fda-red-tape-invs/index.html
 
People need better math skills, count the corona-virus cases correctly, equip sufficient testing kits and protective equipment during the crisis. Barely enough today = Unenough tomorrow.

I believe the real total cases is around 1.7 to 1.8 millions for the United States including the unknown, asymptomatic and newly infected. Not enough testing kits = no containment to the wildfire.

South Koreans are really strong in math, thus they have much more testing kits and way less total cases.

U.S. Government was definitely at fault -
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/coronavirus-testing-cdc-fda-red-tape-invs/index.html

I happen to be an ex-math teacher. I taught in real life 1 vs 1 sessions until parents cancelled these sessions.
 
I tried cooking ice cream. It didn't turn out well. :cry:

You gotta super freeze it (well below normal freezer temperature) then you can dip it in batter and deep fry it if you use really hot oil so the batter crisps fast. But you have to get it in and out quickly and served. Timing is tricky but if done right the tasty shell will be comfortably cooled with a thin molten cream layer inside and the frozen core will have taken enough heat to not be rock hard.

This is not to imply that I've done this successfully myself.
 
People need better math skills, count the corona-virus cases correctly, equip sufficient testing kits and protective equipment during the crisis. Barely enough today = Unenough tomorrow.

I believe the real total cases is around 1.7 to 1.8 millions for the United States including the unknown, asymptomatic and newly infected. Not enough testing kits = no containment to the wildfire.

South Koreans are really strong in math, thus they have much more testing kits and way less total cases.

U.S. Government was definitely at fault -
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/coronavirus-testing-cdc-fda-red-tape-invs/index.html

Yea a better understanding of exponential growths rates would help the general population respect the impending disaster this was becoming. I knew it was going to be a **** show the moment they shut down the NBA.
 
You gotta super freeze it (well below normal freezer temperature) then you can dip it in batter and deep fry it if you use really hot oil so the batter crisps fast. But you have to get it in and out quickly and served. Timing is tricky but if done right the tasty shell will be comfortably cooled with a thin molten cream layer inside and the frozen core will have taken enough heat to not be rock hard.

This is not to imply that I've done this successfully myself.
Baked Alaska. You put the meringue covered ice cream block in a very hot over for just enough time to brown the meringue.
 
RE: the OP: Okay, so we blame the CCP. What next? How will you force China to change?

Proving them to lied is one thing, but how to force China abide with it is one other thing. If China lied there should be international rules/articles that they break, and there should be a clear punishment for breaking that rules. If the punishment for breaking the rule is somewhat lighter than the sanction that they will received for not abiding to the punishment, that should somewhat force them to chose the lesser from the bigger punishment.

Even when it became apparent that the situation in China was bad many nations were slow to take action. Chinese misdeeds must not be used as an excuse for our own lack of preparedness,

The main reason many nation failed to take action on time is because all the false negative that China propagating, they propagates false negative do they? and it's their responsibility to deliver the truth as it is so we can acts according to the information.

But seriously what are we gonna do, fine China? Prosecute their president or health administers?

They should paid for the damage they have caused, part of it obviously, and remember there should be international rule/articles that they break.

@haroon blame you country's government first and foremost for letting it enter and spread there. They were the ones responsible for the territory and population of your country. It's not some chinese colony.

I did that too you know that. All the player that are responsible for this must be hold for their accountability, Chinese government included, or they should have a privilege for being irresponsible instead?

You'll notice how many ask "who's at fault?"
The better question, because it creates an actionable item, is "what could I have done differently ahead of time?"

What could have done differently if China's told the truth?
 
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Plenty of blame to go around starting with Zelig's observation about eating meat. But who knows, maybe eating meat helped us build genetic protections to some of nature's bugs. Obviously the Chinese govt is largely to blame, but Trump didn't restock supplies and was slow to ramp up production. Albeit Obama depleted supplies and apparently didn't leave much on the shelves. But doesn't Congress fund that stuff? I guess they were too busy impeaching Trump.

There was Mardi Gras in New Orleans, spring break in Florida and Texas, concerts in NYC, soccer matches in Lombardy, and the mayor of Amity Long Island couldn't be bothered with stories about jaws. Our current hero Cuomo wasn't prepared either, he was funding pet projects instead of investing in shark repellent. I recall many articles from our media dismissing the virus as well because they dont want to anger China and Trump enacted his travel ban. WHO shares blame too...
 
You gotta super freeze it (well below normal freezer temperature) then you can dip it in batter and deep fry it if you use really hot oil so the batter crisps fast. But you have to get it in and out quickly and served. Timing is tricky but if done right the tasty shell will be comfortably cooled with a thin molten cream layer inside and the frozen core will have taken enough heat to not be rock hard.

This is not to imply that I've done this successfully myself.

Sounds delicious !!! :wow:
 
RE: the OP: Okay, so we blame the CCP. What next? How will you force China to change?

You can't. But this is the second costly epidemic/pandemic outbreak coming out of there in the last 2 decades and I think the world ought to better protect itself in the future.

Firstly, China seems to exert a significant influence on the WHO, who has been tip-toeing around the CCP and pointedly ignoring Taiwan. This could be a whole-of-UN problem, but something should done about it.

Secondly, many countries are too dependent on China economically. That seems to be a bad idea as Chinese money comes with baggage. For example, some countries in Asia were fearful of enacting a travel ban on Chinese visitors initially and that cost us. Not sure whether it's the same in the West or if it was just complacency. Plus the lack of Chinese workers and Chinese goods are hitting us hard here. Since another epidemic is likely to come out of China again, we should really stop being so dependent on them.
 
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China's also strip mined a lot of sanitizer and ppe from various nation's.

There will be blowback if not from goverments citizens.

China's dependent on Americans buying cheap crap so they gonna take a hit just from that.
 
@aelf

True about many Asian country recieved pressure and its affect human traffics between those two country. Again still around the beginning of March (I posted the detail in other Covid thread) 39 Chinese worker were caught by phone camera going out from airplane to work at Sulawesi. The one that recorded the event were arrested for spreading hoax/"false information". They don't give a rat about us. This should stop, we ordinary people should acknowledge this issue exist.
 
As I've pointed out in the other threads, people who eat meat are complicit in facilitating zoonotic pathogens.
There's a vegan thread around here somewhere, isn't there? :coffee:

As more time goes by, I find myself utterly hating whoever it was that started this off. Never mind incompetent governments and thoughtless holidaying idiots, this would not be happening if that one individual hadn't eaten a contaminated bat. That person is partly responsible for many, many deaths around the world.

As for the incompetent governments and thoughtless holidaying idiots... yeah, not fond of them either. But at least they were stupid afterward. They didn't set the whole thing in motion.

At a time when governments need to actually lead, my province has a health minister who has decided to be a tyrant who is above the law. So far he's been caught in a conflict of interest (his wife owns a company that provides for-profit health services that he has been busily delisting so people are no longer covered for them and will have to use his wife's business), and when a doctor pointed this out on social media, the minister and his wife went over to this doctor's home, stood on his front driveway, and screamed and yelled at him in front of his family, and threatened some people who called him out in emails. Now he's been accessing private phone numbers for doctors and others who have criticized him publicly, calling them at home, and harassing them.

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I've called him out on social media, but since I don't have any medical credentials or a driveway in Calgary he can stand on and scream at me, he settled for banning me from commenting on his FB page (cabinet ministers are not supposed to prevent anyone from doing this unless they're abusive and I haven't been abusive, just critical).

Since this minister was a lawyer before becoming a politician, some people are contemplating an attempt to have him disbarred (since he did do illegal things which lawyers aren't supposed to do). I wish them luck, because he's corrupt, through and through, and completely useless in this pandemic.

There are calls for Jason Kenney (our premier) to fire this crook, but of course that won't happen because one crook won't fire another crook if he does the first one's dirty work.

In the meantime, the voices of sanity in this province are the chief medical officer and the leader of the Opposition. Thank goodness for the provincial medical officers being able to persuade the politicians to follow their recommendations, although a lot have been too little, too late. And thank goodness the Opposition leader was able to shame the government into providing a tiny bit of rent protection (more for workers than for people in my position; we're only protected until the end of April, while the rest have a few more months).
 
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