Popularity of the European Union
Difference between positive opinions and negative opinions
Before Brexit - May 2016
After Brexit - November 2017
Wow.... interesting !
What source ?
It was based on these questions ?
Developments in and the future of the EU
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Wow.... interesting !
What source ?
It was based on these questions ?
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
Eurobarometer, QA9: "In general, does the EU conjure up for you a very positive, fairly positive, neutral, fairly negative or very negative image?"
- May 2016 (page 16):
http://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/index.cfm/ResultDoc/download/DocumentKy/75902 - November 2017 (page 17):
http://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/index.cfm/ResultDoc/download/DocumentKy/81148
You can have access to all documents here:
http://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/index.cfm/Survey/index#p=1&instruments=STANDARD
I've picked "first results", which is already a 45-page PDF document.
We're heartbroken.
It's ok, ask the other one of the two baltic microstates to lend you the one tank you circle between the three of you, in case its their turn to have it. The three Graiae, only with one tank instead of one tooth/eye/ear
It's ok, we only lost 12 Estonias by now, not that much in the long run. Btw, surely you should take some flak and not just try to deal it
Lexicus
Deity
The amount of openly racist contempt Greeks are subject to in the EU is kind of amazing to me.
I believe my contempt for Greece state has nothing to do with race.
Lexicus
Deity
I'm sure you do.
innonimatu
the resident Cassandra
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I'm sure the EU is also to blame for the civil war that started in Libya too
You can argue it would have been better in the long run to let Ghaddafi paint his own country in blood so that stability could be preserved (and I might see the validity of the theorical point), but the usual blaming of EVERYTHING on the EU because you've got a pet peeve is both annoying and intellectually dishonest
Don't repeat expired propaganda: Qaddafi was not "painting his own country in blood". It started as an attempted palace coup by members of the regime who had been promised outside support, and continued to plan B, arming the members of the tribes of those people after the initial plan failed. The fight would have been brief and the country would have maintained both a government and its living standards, which by the way were among the best in Africa.
Because plan B was failing, dropping weapons was not enough to keep the country in anarchy, the countries behind the thing stated bombing both the "regime forces" and the very infrastructure of the country. Now it's a wreck - mission accomplished, or at least the alternative objective if the primary one (regime change to install some pliable puppet) failed: deny the country as a partner available for "strategic competitors".
I don't know who mislead you but that's completely false. The "palace coup" was a popular revolt that ended up taking control of Benghazi. The west intervened when Gaddafi's troops started approaching Benghazi, threatening to raze the city to the ground. It was seriously mishandled but there's no need to twist reality to make it look bad.
Akka
Moody old mage.
In both case, it seems more a case of underestimating the size of Russia, and not the Russians. Regardless, both were OFFENSIVE wars, while repulsing a Russian aggression would be a DEFENSIVE war, which would certainly be a whole another matter.
Anyway, the whole point of having a strong military for Europe is to PREVENT anything happening. So by definition, they will look useless as long as they work. That's the catch 2-2 of Secret Services and defensive-minded military.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Are the still making EU material under the new Legends title or is it all just new canon?
Verbose
Deity
It's only "defensive" on the assumption Russia is SUCH a basket-case it needs to ring itself with failed-states neighbors, even at the likely expense of alienating them.
Neither Russian failure nor the usefulness of the exercise is self-evident. In the mid- to long-term it's even likely to come back and haunt Russia in unexpected ways.
If anything it's rather evidence of a certain continued sense of entitlement to countries not actually Russia...
Verbose
Deity
Yes, yes it is! Really. And while you might think you have found a good put-down, it REALLY is an excellent position from which to gauge the Greek misery.
Sweden went to the dogs financially in the 1990's. 500% interest rates, crashing currency, mass unemployment, and a several years of shrinking GDP.
And it took literally YEARS to regain international confidence and trust in the Swedish economy, Swedish politics, Swedish society etc. The the PM Göran Persson later talked publicly about the starkness of the situation of trying to argue with 20-something US financial hacks on Wall Street, to try to weedle marginal concessions from these know-nothings who suddenly had ended up wielding massive influence on the fortunes of ordinary Swedes — while assuming the reason Sweden was in the dumps was "Socialism"...
Now — granted — the Swedish crisis was nowhere NEAR as bad as the current hole Greece is trapped in.
BUT, if Sweden — which has spent most the last centuries as a safe and solid investment, good for considerable credit — in a few short years in the 1990's could lose all that, be treated as somehow downright TOXIC — and all that could reverse this wasn't just fiscal prurience and a reconstructed economy, but also nothing but TIME, rather large amount, upwards of a decade, to regain trust in it... then just ask yourself WHAT it will take for the global economy to regain ANY level of trust in the Greek economy?
Which is the REAL problem for Greece. Whether Greece digs itself out by its own accord (it can't) or finally gets a leg up and help to lamber out, who is going to trust Greece not to instantly NOT dig a new hole, similar to the last?
If you wonder why Greece is still left to languish like this THAT is the real reason. At this moment, given past Greek fiscal history, thinks digging out Greece, i.e. PAYING for it, is going to accomplish anything but that — Greece starting a new hole, from which it will eventually also have to be lifted out of, and so the exercise of extricating Greece will effectively be a matter of flushing money down the drain.
And the reason this attitude prevails is that it is known that Greece has been bankrupt and in receivership for longer periods of time since its independence than it has been fiscally solvent. At this point no one trusts Greece to run working national finances, and history backs this up.
It comes up against the softer values of injunctions of EU solidarity, and the need to take the edge of sheer human misery in Greece — but in the end the hard stuff overrides the softer issues. For now, and for the foreseeable future...
Greece won't get out of this dilemma until somehow perceptions of its ability to manage its own economy changes. And since it's still in crisis, and time alone can change this, don't expect much soon...
Kozmos
Jew Detective
What race?
People don't hate Greeks because of race, they hate them because they are seen as cheaters and entitled smug bastards who want to have it both ways. Kind of like Euro gypsies.
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Excellent post overall.
I would only add that as far as "EU solidarity" and "need to address sheer human misery" go, e.g. Bulgaria and Romania should likely stand before Greece by most metrics...
M8, i threw you a bone, no need to make a complete fool of yourself by claiming this is about actual trust and not fake rhetoric, cause by your own example (in red there) Germany has been in existence as a country for 50 years less than modern Greece, and Germany has been bankrupt twice as many times as Greece. So quit claiming garbage as some reason, mkay?
Still, you will find many people with no ability to think, who will buy even what you posted. Usually they are in the same group as readers of Bild.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
"I'm not racist, I just hate the mud-races"?
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
I see this thread is getting very constructive.
So now that we all agree things have been managed rather badly in the latest years, what would be your ideas on how to make things better in the future?
So now that we all agree things have been managed rather badly in the latest years, what would be your ideas on how to make things better in the future?
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