- Joined
- Aug 12, 2010
- Messages
- 18,950
Let's not get off topic onto something controversial or the mods will give the thread a timeout.
DLC 6 Anticipation Thread
- Thread starter Eagle Pursuit
- Start date
- Status
Moderator Action: Indeed. Please keep discussion focused on the DLC, not extraneous topics (such as Nixon v. Bush political recriminations).
I'd say Khmer.
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2010
- Messages
- 18,950
In my opinion, Khmer.
Because
1) The Khmer began as a rebellion against Srivijaya (an early Indonesian empire) control of the Mekong delta.
2) And then continued to resist Srivijaya influence in the region with the assistance of the Chola (an Indian kingdom), eventually resulting in a war that saw the Chola pillage nearly all the Srivijayan ports.
Such a scenario would entail a lot of naval and embarked units, which would set it apart from other scenarios.
Last edited:
I would be extremely happy with this!
God of Kings
Ruler of all heads of state
That would be a fun scenario indeed. Firaxis would also fix AI naval combat as well.
Duckfromstatefarm
Warlord
- Joined
- Jan 27, 2017
- Messages
- 170
I don't have any problems with Boudicca or the Trung sisters, I'll be happy to see them both in. Though having 2 Southeast Asia Female leaders isn't going to make everybody happy (knowing my experience on the Steam forums). If Indonesia is coming then that means One of the two Trung sisters isn't going to make it to Civ 6 unless there is a curve ball and both Trung sisters are included.
Same, I love the Civ 6 art style and I really don't mind having the Trung sisters in the game and I'll be curious on what they look like in the Art style of Civ 6. I really want to see what Attila looks like l in the Civ 6 art style.
Katakanja
Emperor
- Joined
- Oct 17, 2016
- Messages
- 1,258
DJ_Tanner
Emperor
- Joined
- Apr 19, 2013
- Messages
- 1,098
If they included the Trungs it would be as one leader as they are, for all intents and purposes, treated as a single item. Plus that is probably makes them more likely to actually appear in Civ VI, the duel ruler dynamic would translate great into this game (although I don't expect to see them in this DLC).
As for the forums, and espcially the Steam forums, there is not a single option for any leader or any civ that is not going to get a bunch of people shouting about the travesty of said choices.
Blackwolf803
Chieftain
- Joined
- Jul 26, 2017
- Messages
- 12
For a more modern companion civ: The Dutch had colonies in Indonesia up to after WWII. Not SEA, but still.
timmychompchomp
Warlord
- Joined
- Oct 2, 2016
- Messages
- 116
First time poster on these forums.
I see many posts advocating or hoping for Vietnam to be a DLC. I would be surprised to see Vietnam as a DLC. Maybe they could slip it into an expansion with other civs.
Being an American gaming company, Firaxis would probably avoid Vietnam based on the war. In context it would be similar, but a bit less dramatic to, including the World Trade Center as a wonder. That war is seen more as an American tragedy than any other war. This evidenced by its representation on the National Mall in DC. Other War memorials are grand, sort of celebratory, the Vietnam war memorial is somber and quiet. I would say that it's too soon.
Fair to Vietnam as a civ, no, but as name recognition when selling a DLC, Vietnam equates to much more negative feelings in most Americans and might equal lower, unfavorable sales.
Just my personal observations and certainly not an opinion on Vietnams merits, just saying it's unlikely based on the name of the civ bringing up negative feelings in American consumers. I could be wrong though.
I see many posts advocating or hoping for Vietnam to be a DLC. I would be surprised to see Vietnam as a DLC. Maybe they could slip it into an expansion with other civs.
Being an American gaming company, Firaxis would probably avoid Vietnam based on the war. In context it would be similar, but a bit less dramatic to, including the World Trade Center as a wonder. That war is seen more as an American tragedy than any other war. This evidenced by its representation on the National Mall in DC. Other War memorials are grand, sort of celebratory, the Vietnam war memorial is somber and quiet. I would say that it's too soon.
Fair to Vietnam as a civ, no, but as name recognition when selling a DLC, Vietnam equates to much more negative feelings in most Americans and might equal lower, unfavorable sales.
Just my personal observations and certainly not an opinion on Vietnams merits, just saying it's unlikely based on the name of the civ bringing up negative feelings in American consumers. I could be wrong though.
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2010
- Messages
- 18,950
Vietnam's reputation in America has been greatly rehabilitated in the intervening decades. Only customers who came of age prior to the mid-70s would have any war-related opposition to the choice. The two countries are united by a common opposition to China's regional expansionism, particularly in the South China Sea and by economic bonds. Lot's of textile merchandise is imported from Vietnam now instead of China.
In any case, representation for Vietnam would probably skew away from the 20th century. It's not likely that Firaxis would pick Ho Chi Minh for leader and a Vietcong UU.
luigilime
Prince
I aswell would exclude Vietnam for now, it could be a great opportunity to add Khmer, a fan favourite, but Siam is a good choice too.
In any case I'm happy.
In any case I'm happy.
Guatenadian
Prince
I dont think that it would be fair to exclude a civilisation that has been around since 939 simply because of an 8 year war that ended badly for the West. I mean there are huge markets outside of the U.S and in this day and age I think it would be foolish to back away from implementing one Civ due to one market having a war that ended badly. Just as @Eagle Pursuit said, the view most people have of Vietnam has changed drastically, similar to how the West's view of the former Warsaw Pact countries changed after the end of the Cold War.
At the end of the day I'm going to be happy with whatever Firaxis gives us, SEA has a unique history not limited to the 20th century.
At the end of the day I'm going to be happy with whatever Firaxis gives us, SEA has a unique history not limited to the 20th century.
Indeed, it's been around longer than that as Yuenan/Bai Yue/Bach Viet, albeit as an annex of China.
PibbZ
Paladin
I really hope for:
- Babylonian Civ
- An explorer unit to fill the massive gap between Scout and Ranger
- Fixing the bug where you get a diplo hit for not moving troops away from borders from civs which you have open borders with
- Making the AI more capable at naval and air warfare (maybe even warfare in general, but they lack especially in naval and air combat)
- An event log history, to keep track of all the delegation gossip that disappear way too quickly
- And finally, a finished MAP EDITOR
Last edited:
At this point, I would honestly not be surprised if the opposite were true. The Vietnam War, if nothing else, gives the civilization some pretty excellent name recognition -- which is something that things like Burma and even the Khmer (sadly) don't really have in the west. Considering the struggle to find new noteworthy civilizations, Vietnam seems like an extremely logical choice from a marketing perspective precisely because most American consumers would have heard of it. One of the biggest complaints people always seem to have about new civilizations is that they're too obscure, for one reason or another, but no American is ever going to argue that about Vietnam.
I'd also disagree in part that most people view Vietnam itself inherently negatively. The American government, perhaps, sure. Older consumers that are largely outside of the target audience, maybe. But you also have to remember that the Vietnam war was not even necessarily universally supported in its time, and there's no reason to believe that people have gotten more hostile toward them since then. Even if the Vietnam War did pose a problem, for some reason, it's easy enough to avoid: the Trung Sisters are a pretty popular and very unique leader choice (and they predate the war by almost 2,000 years!), while you could easily leave the rest of the civilization to the 1000-1700s if you wanted to avoid stepping on toes.
Babylonia is my favorite Southeast Asian civilization
PibbZ
Paladin
Its been my favourite aswell since the beginning of the Civ series. However, I would rather classify it as a middle-eastern civ
timmychompchomp
Warlord
- Joined
- Oct 2, 2016
- Messages
- 116
i want to rephrase my previous comments about Vietnam.
What I was trying to say is that Vietnam as word might negatively impact sales.
In my experience if I asked an average American "what are your feelings about Vietnam?" Many will start talking about the war, not the country.
It would bring up negative or uneasy feelings because it's is typically seen as a tragedy. Sad so many needlessly died. So, Vietnam as a word may turn people off regardless of the current relations or the history of the nation or its people. I meant it as a marketing thing, how do you feel about the word "Vietnam."
I hope that makes sense. I completely understand where the responses above are coming from and can confirm that many things are true in certain communities.
I may be influenced a bit by the fact that my father lost a friend in Vietnam, my wife's father earned a bronze star and is partially disabled from the conflict, and my brothers father in law received a Purple Heart for his wounds in the war. I am 41 and I am touched in these three ways from the conflict. Vietnam is a word we don't use very often because of the feelings it brings up. I feel more than just a few families in the US feel this way.
I agree most younger people could careless and would not be impacted by the word "Vietnam", but I feel there are more people like me who have negative connections to the conflict than some may think. I have no problem with the people or the nation but the name of their nation "Vietnam" does make me uneasy as it would with many people I know. I guess you may have to see the struggles of the veterans first hand, almost daily, too understand fully what I am trying to say.
Anyway, I would be fine with Vietnam being in the game if others want it, but I wouldnt speak about it at family events.
I asked my wife just now her thoughts about this as well and she said that of all the cultures and nation names in history, Vietnam, would still be touchy enough to avoid for business reasons. The name has a negative connotation because of the war.
Just a viewpoint of many, thanks for reading.
What I was trying to say is that Vietnam as word might negatively impact sales.
In my experience if I asked an average American "what are your feelings about Vietnam?" Many will start talking about the war, not the country.
It would bring up negative or uneasy feelings because it's is typically seen as a tragedy. Sad so many needlessly died. So, Vietnam as a word may turn people off regardless of the current relations or the history of the nation or its people. I meant it as a marketing thing, how do you feel about the word "Vietnam."
I hope that makes sense. I completely understand where the responses above are coming from and can confirm that many things are true in certain communities.
I may be influenced a bit by the fact that my father lost a friend in Vietnam, my wife's father earned a bronze star and is partially disabled from the conflict, and my brothers father in law received a Purple Heart for his wounds in the war. I am 41 and I am touched in these three ways from the conflict. Vietnam is a word we don't use very often because of the feelings it brings up. I feel more than just a few families in the US feel this way.
I agree most younger people could careless and would not be impacted by the word "Vietnam", but I feel there are more people like me who have negative connections to the conflict than some may think. I have no problem with the people or the nation but the name of their nation "Vietnam" does make me uneasy as it would with many people I know. I guess you may have to see the struggles of the veterans first hand, almost daily, too understand fully what I am trying to say.
Anyway, I would be fine with Vietnam being in the game if others want it, but I wouldnt speak about it at family events.
I asked my wife just now her thoughts about this as well and she said that of all the cultures and nation names in history, Vietnam, would still be touchy enough to avoid for business reasons. The name has a negative connotation because of the war.
Just a viewpoint of many, thanks for reading.
- Status
Similar threads
