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Let's not get off topic onto something controversial or the mods will give the thread a timeout.
Let's not get off topic onto something controversial or the mods will give the thread a timeout.
I'd say Khmer.So if we end up getting a two-civ pack (and not a one civ two leader pack) - with one of the civs being Indonesia, what other South East Asian civ would pair well with Indonesia thematically (and that they could use in a scenario with the two).
So if we end up getting a two-civ pack (and not a one civ two leader pack) - with one of the civs being Indonesia, what other South East Asian civ would pair well with Indonesia thematically (and that they could use in a scenario with the two).
In my opinion, Khmer.
Because
1) The Khmer began as a rebellion against Srivijaya (an early Indonesian empire) control of the Mekong delta.
2) And then continued to resist Srivijaya influence in the region with the assistance of the Chola, eventually resulting in a war that saw the Chola pillage nearly all the Srivijayan ports.
Such a scenario would entail a lot of naval and embarked units, which would set it apart from other scenarios.
That would be a fun scenario indeed. Firaxis would also fix AI naval combat as well.In my opinion, Khmer.
Because
1) The Khmer began as a rebellion against Srivijaya (an early Indonesian empire) control of the Mekong delta.
2) And then continued to resist Srivijaya influence in the region with the assistance of the Chola, eventually resulting in a war that saw the Chola pillage nearly all the Srivijayan ports.
Such a scenario would entail a lot of naval and embarked units, which would set it apart from other scenarios.
Trung Sisters as a Civ6 leader? maybe, but they are equivalent to Boudicca for the Celts. They led a rebellion against Chinese rule and ultimately failed.
Sure, two Southeast Asian female leaders are welcome, but just don't make them too fanservicey if you know what I mean....
I would rather them be more like Tomyris as opposed to Cleopatra.
If the Trung sisters would be in the game, i wouldn't mind them to go towards the cartoon style.
Firaxis would also fix AI naval combat as well.
I don't have any problems with Boudicca or the Trung sisters, I'll be happy to see them both in. Though having 2 Southeast Asia Female leaders isn't going to make everybody happy (knowing my experience on the Steam forums). If Indonesia is coming then that means One of the two Trung sisters isn't going to make it to Civ 6 unless there is a curve ball and both Trung sisters are included.
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I see many posts advocating or hoping for Vietnam to be a DLC. I would be surprised to see Vietnam as a DLC. Maybe they could slip it into an expansion with other civs.
Being an American gaming company, Firaxis would probably avoid Vietnam based on the war. In context it would be similar, but a bit less dramatic to, including the World Trade Center as a wonder. That war is seen more as an American tragedy than any other war. This evidenced by its representation on the National Mall in DC. Other War memorials are grand, sort of celebratory, the Vietnam war memorial is somber and quiet. I would say that it's too soon.
Fair to Vietnam as a civ, no, but as name recognition when selling a DLC, Vietnam equates to much more negative feelings in most Americans and might equal lower, unfavorable sales.
Just my personal observations and certainly not an opinion on Vietnams merits, just saying it's unlikely based on the name of the civ bringing up negative feelings in American consumers. I could be wrong though.
Indeed, it's been around longer than that as Yuenan/Bai Yue/Bach Viet, albeit as an annex of China.I dont think that it would be fair to exclude a civilisation that has been around since 939 simply because of an 8 year war that ended badly for the West. I mean there are huge markets outside of the U.S and in this day and age I think it would be foolish to back away from implementing one Civ due to one market having a war that ended badly. Just as @Eagle Pursuit said, the view most people have of Vietnam has changed drastically, similar to how the West's view of the former Warsaw Pact countries changed after the end of the Cold War.
At the end of the day I'm going to be happy with whatever Firaxis gives us, SEA has a unique history not limited to the 20th century.
At this point, I would honestly not be surprised if the opposite were true. The Vietnam War, if nothing else, gives the civilization some pretty excellent name recognition -- which is something that things like Burma and even the Khmer (sadly) don't really have in the west. Considering the struggle to find new noteworthy civilizations, Vietnam seems like an extremely logical choice from a marketing perspective precisely because most American consumers would have heard of it. One of the biggest complaints people always seem to have about new civilizations is that they're too obscure, for one reason or another, but no American is ever going to argue that about Vietnam.Fair to Vietnam as a civ, no, but as name recognition when selling a DLC, Vietnam equates to much more negative feelings in most Americans and might equal lower, unfavorable sales.
Just my personal observations and certainly not an opinion on Vietnams merits, just saying it's unlikely based on the name of the civ bringing up negative feelings in American consumers. I could be wrong though.
Babylonia is my favorite Southeast Asian civilizationBabylonian Civ
Its been my favourite aswell since the beginning of the Civ series. However, I would rather classify it as a middle-eastern civBabylonia is my favorite Southeast Asian civilization