Do we need to pledge of alliegence in the U.S? Should it be modified?

[JollyRoger]

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the principles for which it stands, one document - no mention of God, amended to provide liberty and justice for all.

 

[Mise]

But what I gave was indeed the reason why "under God" was added to our pledge. Also, less than 1/5th of the nation deny God, and our enemy is not Islam but rather twisted, Satan-led evil men. Nothing to do with God with them (in my opinion.)

Oh I understand that that was the reason for its inclusion; I just wonder why it's still in there. To me, it doesn't appear to add anything anymore (even if I accept that it once did). It seems to me that religion is now dividing your nation far more than it is uniting.

And whilst I agree that your enemy is clearly not Islam, the evil men attacking you (and us) are indeed twice as God-fearing nonetheless.

 

[Perfection]

Also, less than 1/5th of the nation deny God,

So we just don't count? That's just plain mean spirited. What portion of the nation's population do we need to comprise before we're worthy of respect?

and our enemy is not Islam but rather twisted, Satan-led evil men. Nothing to do with God with them (in my opinion.)

Just because it may be bad religion it's still religion and it still involves God.

 

[bhsup]

So we just don't count? That's just plain mean spirited. What portion of the nation's population do we need to comprise before we're worthy of respect?

Ouch. I honestly, truly did not mean for it to be taken that way, and I'm sorry you were offended by that comment. All I meant was that 80% or so (or higher) of the nation do indeed believe in God and view him as the supreme being of the universe. Given that, I think it's safe to say that collectively taken as a nation, the USA does view God as supreme.

I absolutely do respect your right to your beliefs or lack thereof and would defend said rights against anyone who tried to force you to abandon them.

 

[Gilder]

Scrap it.

Ten characters.

 

[Perfection]

Ouch. I honestly, truly did not mean for it to be taken that way, and I'm sorry you were offended by that comment. All I meant was that 80% or so (or higher) of the nation do indeed believe in God and view him as the supreme being of the universe. Given that, I think it's safe to say that collectively taken as a nation, the USA does view God as supreme.

Should that be enough for the pledge? I argue not! The pledge was designed to express the basic ideals that the United States Government has been based on ever since the constitution was signed. Belief in a diety is not part of this, therefore the two words should be removed.

 

[SG-17]

That is so illogical, since it would demonstrate that God had lost another round to Allah.

so he lost to himself? because the jewish/islamic/Christian god is the same one

 

[JollyRoger]

so he lost to himself? because the jewish/islamic/Christian god is the same one

Tell that to those that support "under God" staying in the pledge. Most will diagree that they worship Allah.

 

[SG-17]

i support it, and Allah is just Arabic(?) for God, arab Christians use it.

 

[Perfection]

i support it, and Allah is just Arabic(?) for God, arab Christians use it.

Why do you suppport it?

 

[mdwh]

Ouch. I honestly, truly did not mean for it to be taken that way, and I'm sorry you were offended by that comment. All I meant was that 80% or so (or higher) of the nation do indeed believe in God and view him as the supreme being of the universe. Given that, I think it's safe to say that collectively taken as a nation, the USA does view God as supreme.

So you are saying that they don't count.

 

[mdwh]

Just keep it. Some people can recite it if they want to, others don't have to, or they can leave "under god" out, or they can stay seated, or whatever. I don't care. I just don't see why we should do away with the pledge just because a few cinical, jaded, fashionably atheistic, quasi-communists feel offended by the very conception of nationhood the pledge represents.

Keep in mind how many flags were flown overhead after September 11th, and how enthusically people recited not only the pledge, but heaven fotbid "God Bless America." They meant a little more than an outdated concept huh?

Another terrorist attack or major war will bring back the popularity of the pledge in its current form, that is certain.

Watching a documentary on September 11th, I was amazed at how many times people were praised with "And he had such faith!"

Yeah, so did the terrorists flying the plane into the towers...

 

[mdwh]

Optional how? Doing whatever you like while you listen to it, sure.

Making it "optional" ( read: phasing out) for before schools, sporting events, congressional meetings or public events because it will offend (somehow) people, no.

It's not about offending people. The only people I see offended are those people who can't bear to imagine the words "under God" being removed.

If pupils want to gather outside of class to say the pledge then fine, but others should not be forced to wait around to hear the ritual, even if they don't have to say it.

 

[mdwh]

Just keep it. Some people can recite it if they want to, others don't have to, or they can leave "under god" out, or they can stay seated, or whatever. I don't care. I just don't see why we should do away with the pledge just because a few cinical, jaded, fashionably atheistic, quasi-communists feel offended by the very conception of nationhood the pledge represents.

I say they should say "under the flying spaghetti monster" instead. I don't see why we should insist on inserting "under god" into the pledge, just because a few cynical, jaded, fashionably religious, quasi-terrorists feel offended by the very conception of nationhood the pledge represents.

(Really though, quit with the trolling. And atheism is fashionable now? Next you'll be telling me that poor Christians are a victimised and oppressed minority.)

Keep in mind how many flags were flown overhead after September 11th, and how enthusically people recited not only the pledge, but heaven fotbid "God Bless America." They meant a little more than an outdated concept huh?

What was that about atheism being fashionable?

 

[SG-17]

Why do you suppport it?

Well for one I am a Christian, I am for a single religion. And you dont have to say under God if you dont want, to no one is forcing you to.

EDIT: In a span of less than two years I went from being a diehard Christian to an atheist. Win.

 

[skadistic]

Well for one I am a Christian, I am for a single religion. And you dont have to say under God if you dont want, to no one is forcing you to.

So as long as your religion is the one calling the shots its ok? Its not a matter of saying it or not its a matter that as an official pledge of the nation it clearly infringes on the rights of others in its offcial capsity. And its a lie. We are not one nation under god.

 

[JollyRoger]

And its a lie. We are not one nation under god.

One nation, bearing false witness . . .

 

[Perfection]

Well for one I am a Christian, I am for a single religion.

You're for theocracy?!

And you dont have to say under God if you dont want, to no one is forcing you to.

And I don't, but I don't like the insinuation that I'm somehow Antiamerican because of it. It's one thing to question my religious beliefs, it's another to question my national loyalty.

 

[bhsup]

So you are saying that they don't count.

No, but majority rules. That's, unfortunately for those in the minority, life. Do you think I am happy seeing Democrats in charge of Congress? Heck no, but that's the way the ball bounces and I accept that things are going to go ways I will not like for as long as they are in power.

 

[Perfection]

No, but majority rules. That's, unfortunately for those in the minority, life. Do you think I am happy seeing Democrats in charge of Congress? Heck no, but that's the way the ball bounces and I accept that things are going to go ways I will not like for as long as they are in power.

I believe that the members of the majority can be reasoned about this.