Dobson Divorces Self From the Truth

[JollyRoger]

James Dobson, notorious evangelical leader, should consider pleading the 5th Amendment to avoid inciminating himself for breaking the 9th Commandment.

Dobson on Fred Thompson:

"Everyone knows he's conservative and has come out strongly for the things that the pro-family movement stands for," Dobson said of Thompson. "[But] I don't think he's a Christian; at least that's my impression,"

We have an atheist thinking about running?

Mark Corallo, a spokesman for Thompson, took issue with Dobson's characterization of the former Tennessee senator. "Thompson is indeed a Christian," he said. "He was baptized into the Church of Christ."

Dobson on another Christian:

Dobson recently sat down with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at Focus on the Family's Colorado Springs headquarters, marking his only meeting to date with a top-tier Republican presidential candidate. While Dobson would not comment directly on the Romney meeting, he stood by comments he made late last year that many evangelicals would find it difficult to support Romney because of his Mormonism.

Dobson on a guy working on his 3rd marriage:

While making it clear he was not endorsing any Republican presidential candidate, Dobson, who is considered the most politically powerful evangelical figure in the country, also said that Gingrich was the "brightest guy out there" and "the most articulate politician on the scene today."

Gingrich recently appeared on Dobson's daily Focus on the Family radio program, carried by upward of 2,000 American radio stations, where he made headlines by discussing an extramarital affair he was having even as he pursued impeachment against President Bill Clinton for his handling of the investigation into the Monica Lewinsky affair.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070328/28dobson.htm

For those of you keeping score at home:

Thompson: Married since 1959, but not a Christian even though he has been baptized

Romney: One wife, not electable by the Christian right because he belongs to a certain Christian denomination

Newt: Two divorces, the guy the Christians right can back to carry forward their family values platform.

Sorry in advance if this thread belongs in Humor & Jokes.

 

[MobBoss]

Wow, I guess Dobson isnt entitled to have an opinion in Jollyworld. No surprise there.

Couple of my views/opinions.

1. Its takes more than being baptized to be a christian. You, as an atheist, can argue the point all you want - I dont care.

2. Its a mere statement of fact that a lot of people may not vote for a mormon because of the religion. Mormons are only beat out by Atheists in not being trusted by the voting public.

3. Dobson thinks Gingrich is smart....wow, now thats a sin isnt it.

Add in the fact that your 'summary' contains more spin that any Foxnews story, then yes, indeed this belongs in humor and jokes.

 

[JollyRoger]

Do you think that Dobson publically questioning Thompson's faith is the Christian thing to do?

 

[Masquerouge]

1. Its takes more than being baptized to be a christian. You, as an atheist, can argue the point all you want - I dont care.

So who has the definite authority to say whether someone is a Christian or not? Does James Dobson have that authority?

 

[JollyRoger]

So who has the definite authority to say whether someone is a Christian or not? Does James Dobson have that authority?

Apparently, you have to have a divorce to qualify as a Christian.

 

[Phlegmak]

Add in the fact that your 'summary' contains more spin that any Foxnews story, then yes, indeed this belongs in humor and jokes.

Does it have more spin than this?

Regarding the opening post, I don't care.

 

[MobBoss]

Do you think that Dobson publically questioning Thompson's faith is the Christian thing to do?

He didnt question his faith...he said his impression was that he wasnt a christian - perhaps from the fact that maybe Thompson doesnt refer to it at all.

Sorry, but wondering if someone is or isnt a christian isnt a question of their faith.

 

[MobBoss]

So who has the definite authority to say whether someone is a Christian or not? Does James Dobson have that authority?

Not what he is doing now is it? Is our society so frail that we cant question anyone on anything?

Apparently, you have to have a divorce to qualify as a Christian.

Uhm...nope. Apparently you wanted a thread in which you can toss un-witty one liners as opposed to actually discuss a topic. /oh well.

 

[bathsheba666]

Couple of my views/opinions.

1. Its takes more than being baptized to be a christian. You, as an atheist, can argue the point all you want - I dont care.

2. Its a mere statement of fact that a lot of people may not vote for a mormon because of the religion. Mormons are only beat out by Atheists in not being trusted by the voting public.

3. Dobson thinks Gingrich is smart....wow, now thats a sin isnt it.

Add in the fact that your 'summary' contains more spin that any Foxnews story, then yes, indeed this belongs in humor and jokes.

1. It takes more than calling oneself a Christian, to be a moral person.

2. It's a mere statement of fact that a lot of people will vote for a Moron (sp?), because of his "religion".

3. What has this got to do with the price of cheese?

 

[MobBoss]

Does it have more spin than this?

Regarding the opening post, I don't care.

I knew you watched Foxnews more than anyone around.

You should buy their stock.

 

[MobBoss]

1. It takes more than calling oneself a Christian, to be a moral person.

I happen to agree.

2. It's a mere statement of fact that a lot of people will vote for a Moron (sp?), because of his "religion".

No, I dont agree with this one at all.

3. What has this got to do with the price of cheese?

Not much.

 

[Phlegmak]

I knew you watched Foxnews more than anyone around.

You should buy their stock.

It was on Crooks and Liars. They frequently show Fox clips because it's good comedy.

 

[JollyRoger]

He didnt question his faith...he said his impression was that he wasnt a christian - perhaps from the fact that maybe Thompson doesnt refer to it at all.

Sorry, but wondering if someone is or isnt a christian isnt a question of their faith.

Publically wondering whether someone is a Christian when one could have googled the man's professed faith before spouting off would have been classier. But it's interesting that a Christian leader would be so quick to question a man's faith, especially when that man has had a long marriage and professes many of the same family values that are allegedly ideal for a Christian. If such a man's faith can be questioned so easily by a Christian leader, then under the Dobson standard, there are many that are so-called Christians that can be "wondered about" and then we have to begin to "wonder about" whether the claims of % of Christians in this nation is being inflated by those that quote such high %'s.

 

[El_Machinae]

JR: your first quote kinda looks like you're reading it out of context. I mean, if I said "I don't think JR is Christian ..." it would be a statement that I have never known for you to claim to be one. Dobson might be doing the same thing.

2. Its a mere statement of fact that a lot of people may not vote for a mormon because of the religion. Mormons are only beat out by Atheists in not being trusted by the voting public.

How do you know that?

 

[JollyRoger]

2. Its a mere statement of fact that a lot of people may not vote for a mormon because of the religion. Mormons are only beat out by Atheists in not being trusted by the voting public.

Maybe that explains why Dobson is wondering whether Thompson is an atheist.

 

[colontos]

James Dobson, notorious evangelical leader, should consider pleading the 5th Amendment to avoid inciminating himself for breaking the 9th Commandment.

Romney: One wife, not electable by the Christian right because he belongs to a certain Christian denomination

1. How is Dobson breaking the ninth commandment? The 9th commandment, depending on how you reckon it, is either "Thou shalt not bear false witness" or "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife." Which are you referring to, and how is he breaking it?

2. Most Christians do not consider Mormonism to be a denomination of Christianity.

 

[JollyRoger]

1. How is Dobson breaking the ninth commandment? The 9th commandment, depending on how you reckon it, is either "Thou shalt not bear false witness" or "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife." Which are you referring to, and how is he breaking it?

The bear false witness one, in as, given Dobson's resources, he could have easily known about Thompson's biography or found out. Either he knew and was lying or didn't bother to find out. Dobson, as an evagelical leader, bears a burden of being careful about his public statements and to willfully make a statement without being more careful is carelessly taking the risk of bearing false witness on something that Dobson wouldn't take too kindly too is soemeone did it to him.

2. Most Christians do not consider Mormonism to be a denomination of Christianity.

Why not? Don't Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of Christ and that you have to accept Christ to gain salvation?

 

[JollyRoger]

JR: your first quote kinda looks like you're reading it out of context. I mean, if I said "I don't think JR is Christian ..." it would be a statement that I have never known for you to claim to be one. Dobson might be doing the same thing.

You are not James Dobson and your speculating of the Christianity of someone doesn't carry much influence in an election. Dobson was either lying or being highly irresponsible.

 

[colontos]

The bear false witness one, in as, given Dobson's resources, he could have easily known about Thompson's biography or found out. Either he knew and was lying or didn't bother to find out. Dobson, as an evagelical leader, bears a burden of being careful about his public statements and to willfully make a statement without being more careful is carelessly taking the risk of bearing false witness on something that Dobson wouldn't take too kindly too is soemeone did it to him.

I don't think Dobson was referring to Thompson's being baptized or not. I believe he meant that he was wondering whether Thompson lives like a Christian or bases his life on Christianity. Being a Christian is not like being a member of a political party where you sign up, get your membership card, and you're good to go.

Why not? Don't Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of Christ and that you have to accept Christ to gain salvation?

Well, I don't think the issue is Mormons disbelieving certain things, as much as it is their believing additional things, which most Christians believe puts them beyond the borders of Christianity.

 

[JollyRoger]

I don't think Dobson was referring to Thompson's being baptized or not. I believe he meant that he was wondering whether Thompson lives like a Christian or bases his life on Christianity. Being a Christian is not like being a member of a political party where you sign up, get your membership card, and you're good to go.

Dobson cited Thompson's commitment to family values which are generally important to Christians. Virtually no politician runs as an atheist and even non-Christians are the vast exception to the rule as far a religious candidates go, so it is highly unlikely that Dobson believed that Thompson has presented himself as anything other than a Christian as far as beliefs go.

Well, I don't think the issue is Mormons disbelieving certain things, as much as it is their believing additional things, which most Christians believe puts them beyond the borders of Christianity.

Well, I guess I can see that since I have similar feelings about the Dobson/Falwell/Robertson crowd.