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In what sense does that mean "post ideology"? Are you in high school or something?
Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!
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What if he wins the popular vote? Will that impact the zeitgeist?
If Trump were to win the popular vote, all right thinking people would surely despair.
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Well, that kind of thinking would be applicable if there were a Project 2028, rather than it being a fabrication.
The very best thing that could happen would be for Trump to win the popular vote but lose in the Electoral College.
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Yep. There would be questions as to what the purpose of the left is and what it can do. Harris' shortcomings would be blamed by some, sexism by others, debates from various perspectives. If the Dems lose the PV it'd really cause a deep crisis of confidence and calls for various adaptations would follow.
As I see it, post-Reagan, the left has struggled with its identity. The basic concept pre-Reagan was to use government to make peoples lives better. The disputes were about the how to do that, but not if it should do that. Nixon founded the EPA, because both sides basically accepted that central premise of the role of the state. Post-Reagan, the perception that government is the problem was accepted near 100% by the right, and even some longtime Dem voters have accepted it, which is really limiting. The government is unable to really get muscular and flex its might if it accepts that basic premise.
The tendency of Dems to pivot to the center so as to be more palatable to the overall majority is pretty reflective of that. When in doubt, rather than win people to their preferences, they scale them down to capture the perceived majority.
I think people support Dems today for 3 primary reasons, each about 33%. Roughly.
Group A want the state to go hard to make peoples lives better
Group B want limited state flexion ultimately, but not zero
Group C believe the role of the state should be to promote equality between various identity groups(usually most concerned with theirs)
I'm personally in group A. If they lose the PV they'll see great friction between all 3 groups as it seems their goals do not necessarily align. To pursue any of these approaches fully has opportunity costs. Can't really commit to any without displeasure and this results in the perception nothing gets done by groups A and C, with only B content because they're pretty limited to begin with.
But then, if you want B, Republicans increasingly are your party. Preference for limited change in a rapidly changing world really needs the state to artificially maintain it, and R's are increasingly moving towards that position and away from a do-nothing preference for the state. Emotionally, not much gap there to begin with. Limit change.
I think it'd be best if group A won in the internal dem debate after but I doubt that'd happen. Future Dem leaders would give B even more primacy because they're most relevant in swing states, which Kamala is actively doing now. A would be sidelined. C hasn't gotten much buy-in on the ground to begin with and would probably be most harshly criticized.
Interesting thought exploration, though
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I he wins the popular vote and loses the EC things get interesting.
If he wins both you have president Trump 2nd term.
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So it seems my question as to why Trump winning the popular election is so important is answered. It's because it would change the zeitgeist ala Reagan forcing Democrats to alter their party platform.
Zardnaar
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Yup. If he won popular vote and lost EC you might have both sides support electoral reform. Not likely scenario.
Losing popular vote over and over winning via EC isn't best idea though. Rules only work if both sides agree to them long term.
Donald Trump's latest claim is that people should vote for him because he's crazy.
Of course, this flies in the face of his previous behaviour towards China as well.
Donald Trump has said that if he returns to the White House China would not dare provoke him because President Xi Jinping knows the Republican is "crazy".
Speaking to the Wall Street Journal’s editorial board, Trump said that if elected president next month, he would impose tariffs on China if it sought to blockade Taiwan.
“I would say: if you go into Taiwan, I’m sorry to do this, I’m going to tax you at 150% to 200%,” he said.
On the campaign trail, the Republican candidate has argued that America’s adversaries would not act against US interests under a new Trump presidency because they would fear a forceful, even unpredictable, response.
Of course, this flies in the face of his previous behaviour towards China as well.
I guess we will see if the WSJ endorses him.
Trump Kicks Off A Pennsylvania Rally By Talking About Arnold Palmer's Genitalia
His campaign suggested Donald Trump would begin previewing his campaign’s closing arguments in a final push to win over voters with Election Day barely two weeks off.
Trump Kicks Off A Pennsylvania Rally By Talking About Arnold Palmer's Genitalia
His campaign suggested Donald Trump would begin previewing his campaign’s closing arguments in a final push to win over voters with Election Day barely two weeks off.
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But what if Kamala Harris wants to raise my taxes and turn my children into transgender immigrant communists?Trump Kicks Off A Pennsylvania Rally By Talking About Arnold Palmer's Genitalia
His campaign suggested Donald Trump would begin previewing his campaign’s closing arguments in a final push to win over voters with Election Day barely two weeks off.
Trump Kicks Off A Pennsylvania Rally By Talking About Arnold Palmer's Genitalia
His campaign suggested Donald Trump would begin previewing his campaign’s closing arguments in a final push to win over voters with Election Day barely two weeks off.www.huffpost.com
Better vote Trump just to be safe.
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Welp, his brain is fried now.Trump Kicks Off A Pennsylvania Rally By Talking About Arnold Palmer's Genitalia
His campaign suggested Donald Trump would begin previewing his campaign’s closing arguments in a final push to win over voters with Election Day barely two weeks off.
Trump Kicks Off A Pennsylvania Rally By Talking About Arnold Palmer's Genitalia
His campaign suggested Donald Trump would begin previewing his campaign’s closing arguments in a final push to win over voters with Election Day barely two weeks off.
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Did you never hear about his big hands?
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No major party presidential candidate, much less president, in American history has been accused of wrongdoing so many times.
For Trump, a Lifetime of Scandals Heads Toward a Moment of Judgment
No major party presidential candidate, much less president, in American history has been accused of wrongdoing so many times.
A full history of all of Trumps scandal ridden past
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