Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

Who do you think will win in November?


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People in Canada are just as susceptible to the grift. In your case, the root cause might be a kind of bitterness that induced a cruelty that's attracted to Trump's cruel showmanship.


Would you say now that being anti-woke is a huge part of Trump's appeal?

Oh my. You have no idea.
Woke == drank the kool-aid IMHO. I just shake my head and wait for them to grow up.


Bezos cancelled the paper's long endorsement tradition of making an immanent endorsement of Harris because he did not want to offend Trump.

After the Alexa scandal?

Oh, the LA Times didn't do an endorsement, then Bezos, THEN the parent of USA Today. (last one got very little mention)
Bezos was spot on, that many people DON'T trust the media.
(for differing reasons obviously)

1) Bezos has owned the paper for about 10 years in its 150 year history
2) He's being a coward cause he fears reprisals from Trump, if he wins. Trump has threatened everybody.
3) The endorsement is from the Editorial Staff. They've been blocked by Bezos

And lastly, it is imperative that every institution with the power and voice to do so stand against the clownshow and imminent danger of a second Donald Trump presidency.

That is your opinion. I will give a definition of opinions further on.


The Dominion of Canada is also, well, a Dominion of the British Crown; but somehow I don't think you are particularly bothered by what an elderly inbred German thinks about your pretty-boy Prime Minister putting on blackface, or said elderly German's program for the Dominion is.

Good Lord, the delusions and projects are strong today.

1) cannot stand that moron in Ottawa. Didn't like his daddy much either. (with couple of exceptions)
1a) Ok, I do agree that legalizing MJ was a good idea. that's a "no duh" moment.
1b) His daddy was hated by Nixon for refusing to go into Vietnam. I loathe communism, but...
1c) (side note: more Canadians went south, joined the US military to go to Vietnam, than draft dodges came north. I'll y'all go look up the numbers)
2) That blackface thing should have gotten him tossed out on his ear. It was the liberal (progtot lefty kool-aid drinkers) who kept him there, and voted him back in.

3) um, by elderly German, I would hazard a guess, you're talking about the King. I liked his mother. Him.... he seems nice enough, but....



I've noticed that Trump lovers never talk about Trump. All they talk and post about is how bad Biden is. I guess that they don't realize that Biden isn't running for president. Perhaps they are not so bright.

Biden IS the president. When asked point blank if she would do anything different from Joe, Kamala said "nothing comes to mind".
Kamala has said much about what her policies will be. Just "joy"... hmm... "joyful ways".... I wonder who used that line? <snicker>

Ok, Opinions:

Opinions are like string.
Every Yo-Yo has one! :hammer2:
 
Oh my. You have no idea.
Woke == drank the kool-aid IMHO. I just shake my head and wait for them to grow up.
As opposed to the Trump kool-aid?

You look at persons with views which I do not condone and your instinct is to tell the other side to grow up?

Moderator Action: Such name calling is out of order. Please do not use that term again. Birdjaguar
 
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After the Alexa scandal?

Oh, the LA Times didn't do an endorsement, then Bezos, THEN the parent of USA Today. (last one got very little mention)
Bezos was spot on, that many people DON'T trust the media.
(for differing reasons obviously)
Bezos want to continue with his government contracts for Blue Origin and if he offends Trump, he knows Trump will cut him off. WaPo has had a long tradition of endorsements and the Editorial Board was all set to endorse Harris. Bezos stopped it. It was a purely political move on his part. Not trusting the media is a long term strategy perpetuated by the conservative right to weaken truth in reporting and discredit all reporting that is not supportive of Trump and far right lying. The ignorant conservative base needs things to hate and they have been fed a steady diet of "everyone is lying to you except us" by the GOP overlords.
 
It would explain why so many people still vote for Trump.
It is so damned fun to wind them up at the bar on Biden and corruption and the swamp and the deep state and then set in on Illinois(a local sport(richly deserved(but not democratic))), maxing out on our treasonous past governor and the man who pardoned him.

You always need an exit for emotional conversations with drunk people, and this one winds it down. You never even need to disagree with them on anything once.
 
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While I do agree with the core structure of your argument, you still seem to not grasp many nuances and core reasons about the annoyance and rejection of the core philosophical argument, and as such reflecting the exact same mindset that is causing such friction and pushing a part of the electorate "on the other side".
But he has Jewish voters even though he says that Nazis are good people, LatinAmerican voters even though he says they're rapists and drug dealers, and so on.

Somehow people add a ‘but he doesn't mean me’ to it and go on.
And the "progressives" have white voters despite their entire worldview casting them as the root of all evil. And the Republicans have lots of women voting for them despite being on the very conservative side leaning toward making abortion harder if not downright illegal. And the anti-immigrant parties in Europe do have blacks and Arabs as members.
We're talking about tendencies and flow here, not absolute "everyone in this group does that".
 

Johnson vows health care overhaul if Republicans win: ‘No Obamacare’​


CNN House Speaker Mike Johnson told a group of supporters on Monday night that Republicans will seek “massive reform” to the Affordable Care Act if Donald Trump is reelected — previewing a major piece of the GOP’s legislative plans for next year.

During a campaign swing in Pennsylvania, the GOP speaker vowed that overhauling the 14-year-old health care law would be part of a “very aggressive” first 100-days agenda if Republicans win back control of the White House, according to a video of the event obtained by CNN. Johnson was speaking at a GOP campaign event at Trump’s volunteer headquarters in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

At one point, an attendee asked Johnson directly: “No Obamacare?” And the speaker, wearing a personalized Trump-Vance jacket, responded: “No Obamacare.”

Johnson’s comments on the landmark 2010 health care law known as Obamacare — which has been a perennial GOP punching bag — come as both parties are making their closing arguments to voters. And it’s particularly notable after the Republican party’s high-profile failure to repeal key parts of the health care law during Trump’s first term in office.

“Health care reform is going to be a big part of the agenda,” Johnson said at the event. It was Johnson’s third time visiting the critical swing seat in the Lehigh Valley in eastern Pennsylvania as he looks to help GOP challenger Ryan Mackenzie unseat Democratic Rep. Susan Wild.

Republican leaders attempted to dismantle Obamacare when they had full control of Washington in 2017, but were stymied by then-Sen. John McCain, who opposed the GOP’s effort because the party didn’t have a substantive plan to replace the law. Since then, Republicans have shifted focus away from health policy, especially as they eye a big tax overhaul early next year.

But Johnson made clear this week that the GOP isn’t giving up on targeting the law.

“The ACA is so deeply ingrained; we need massive reform to make this work. And we got a lot of ideas on how to do that,” Johnson said. The speaker offered no specifics of the GOP’s legislative plans but noted that a group of Republican physicians in the House, known as the GOP Doctors Caucus, has been drafting potential legislative ideas.
And he said it wouldn’t just be health care getting a massive “free market” overhaul. “We need this across the board. And Trump’s gonna go big. I mean, he’s only gonna have one more term, right?” Johnson said.

The once-contentious health care law has not been a major theme of the 2024 campaign. That’s in part because of the popularity of several provisions, including protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
There’s also the political reality: Republicans in Congress have failed to do much more than chip away at the edges of the law, while the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld the legislation.

Taking a different tact than his previous campaigns, Trump himself has stressed to voters that he wouldn’t eliminate the health care law.

In a video posted to Truth Social in April, Trump said he is “not running to terminate the ACA” as Democrats have alleged.

Instead, he said: “We’re going to make it much better, much stronger.”

Even so, Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris warned in a recent health care ad blitz that Americans could risk losing their Obamacare protections if Trump wins.

Johnson’s remarks were first reported by NBC News.
 
While I do agree with the core structure of your argument, you still seem to not grasp many nuances and core reasons about the annoyance and rejection of the core philosophical argument, and as such reflecting the exact same mindset that is causing such friction and pushing a part of the electorate "on the other side".
The reason I post my musings on a discussion site is to elicit other people's views, so I'm open to hearing about this.

It was a purely political individually self-interested move on his part.
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Johnson vows health care overhaul if Republicans win: ‘No Obamacare’​


CNN House Speaker Mike Johnson told a group of supporters on Monday night that Republicans will seek “massive reform” to the Affordable Care Act if Donald Trump is reelected — previewing a major piece of the GOP’s legislative plans for next year.

During a campaign swing in Pennsylvania, the GOP speaker vowed that overhauling the 14-year-old health care law would be part of a “very aggressive” first 100-days agenda if Republicans win back control of the White House, according to a video of the event obtained by CNN. Johnson was speaking at a GOP campaign event at Trump’s volunteer headquarters in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

At one point, an attendee asked Johnson directly: “No Obamacare?” And the speaker, wearing a personalized Trump-Vance jacket, responded: “No Obamacare.”

Johnson’s comments on the landmark 2010 health care law known as Obamacare — which has been a perennial GOP punching bag — come as both parties are making their closing arguments to voters. And it’s particularly notable after the Republican party’s high-profile failure to repeal key parts of the health care law during Trump’s first term in office.

“Health care reform is going to be a big part of the agenda,” Johnson said at the event. It was Johnson’s third time visiting the critical swing seat in the Lehigh Valley in eastern Pennsylvania as he looks to help GOP challenger Ryan Mackenzie unseat Democratic Rep. Susan Wild.

Republican leaders attempted to dismantle Obamacare when they had full control of Washington in 2017, but were stymied by then-Sen. John McCain, who opposed the GOP’s effort because the party didn’t have a substantive plan to replace the law. Since then, Republicans have shifted focus away from health policy, especially as they eye a big tax overhaul early next year.

But Johnson made clear this week that the GOP isn’t giving up on targeting the law.

“The ACA is so deeply ingrained; we need massive reform to make this work. And we got a lot of ideas on how to do that,” Johnson said. The speaker offered no specifics of the GOP’s legislative plans but noted that a group of Republican physicians in the House, known as the GOP Doctors Caucus, has been drafting potential legislative ideas.
And he said it wouldn’t just be health care getting a massive “free market” overhaul. “We need this across the board. And Trump’s gonna go big. I mean, he’s only gonna have one more term, right?” Johnson said.

The once-contentious health care law has not been a major theme of the 2024 campaign. That’s in part because of the popularity of several provisions, including protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
There’s also the political reality: Republicans in Congress have failed to do much more than chip away at the edges of the law, while the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld the legislation.

Taking a different tact than his previous campaigns, Trump himself has stressed to voters that he wouldn’t eliminate the health care law.

In a video posted to Truth Social in April, Trump said he is “not running to terminate the ACA” as Democrats have alleged.

Instead, he said: “We’re going to make it much better, much stronger.”

Even so, Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris warned in a recent health care ad blitz that Americans could risk losing their Obamacare protections if Trump wins.

Johnson’s remarks were first reported by NBC News.

Elon Musk Sees Trump’s Economic Plans Causing ‘Temporary Hardship’​

Mr. Musk agreed with an X post saying there would be an “initial severe overreaction in the economy” before returning to sustainable growth if Mr. Trump is elected and follows through on his plans.
Mr. Trump has called for mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, an extension of his 2017 tax cuts and an array of additional tax cuts. He is also promising blanket tariffs on all imports.

Budget experts have estimated these policies could cost as much as $15 trillion over a decade, although Mr. Trump says that economic growth and eliminating government waste would easily cover those costs.
But Mr. Musk realizes that it will not be so simple.

As part of his endless stream of replies to fans on his social media platform that go late into the night, Mr. Musk replied to a pseudonymous account early on Tuesday morning that posited that there would be an “initial severe overreaction in the economy” and that the “market will tumble” if Mr. Trump is elected and follows through on his plan. Afterward, the account said, “There will be a rapid recovery to a healthier, sustainable economy.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/us/politics/elon-musk-trump-economy-hardship.html

TL;DR - Someone posted on Twitter that Trump's economic "plans" would create hardship for Americans and Musk sort of shrugged his shoulders with a quip "sounds about right". You could wonder whether he was just trolling/being sarcastic, except for him then stating that there would be a "rapid recovery". That statement concedes that the economy would indeed suffer under Trump's plan.
 
i'm struggling to see the strategic utilization of the comedian and such at the rally. the team know what he's gonna say. so trump is the centre of the topic again, sure, but they've lost control of the conversation. maybe they hoped to look spicy and have the left reaction look petty? and i guess this free press thing is what happened the last few times they were explicit? because currently, does look like a bit of a gaffe. voices and measurements on it online are split. but i guess yea they remain the conversation. it wasn't the only outrage they tried to push to take over the air that rally.
 
I ain't rich, nor stupid, and calling me a racist is fighting words.
You seem like a fun decent sort (not joking, not disparaging). I did read you saying that there is a difference between a 'republican' government vs a 'democratic' government. The "founding fathers" of the USA did not see it this way. Dictionaries of their era had about the same definition for both. They saw no difference, it is right wing canard that some use lately. The two concepts of government completely intermingle in the US. The USA is a very political country due largely to how it was founded. A great essay on this: is America a democracy or a republic.

I grew up in a staunch Republican household, my very first vote was for Reagan, but I quit after GWBush won the New York State primary in June of 2000. Always progressive, the very next day I registered into the world's oldest political party (USA Democratic). (fun fact: the world's next oldest party is the UK Tories, followed on by the USA Republicans.) I have never looked back!
 
I'd much prefer if people had used a terminology of structural bias rather than structural racism.
Erm, no, because there are biases that can be non-racist, instead being based on gender, age, sexual orientation or even geographic distribution.
 
Erm, no, because there are biases that can be non-racist, instead being based on gender, age, sexual orientation or even geographic distribution.

I agree there are other biases, but there is this thing called intersectionality which I think works best if one regards it all
as structural bias with respect to e.g. race and gender and age etc.

Inserting the word structural before racism may sound good, but the structural is rapidly dropped by those in a rush or by those thinking that
dropping it would increase the likelihood of remedial action, thereby making the conflation of personal racism with structural racism inevitable.

The other thing about bias is that it is universal and therefore less unhelpfully confrontational.

Which is why I'd prefer structural bias or perhaps systematic bias.

Some bias is inevitable, but it can be minimised, and most people agree on the desirability of doing that.
 

Johnson vows health care overhaul if Republicans win: ‘No Obamacare’​


CNN House Speaker Mike Johnson told a group of supporters on Monday night that Republicans will seek “massive reform” to the Affordable Care Act if Donald Trump is reelected — previewing a major piece of the GOP’s legislative plans for next year.

During a campaign swing in Pennsylvania, the GOP speaker vowed that overhauling the 14-year-old health care law would be part of a “very aggressive” first 100-days agenda if Republicans win back control of the White House, according to a video of the event obtained by CNN. Johnson was speaking at a GOP campaign event at Trump’s volunteer headquarters in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

At one point, an attendee asked Johnson directly: “No Obamacare?” And the speaker, wearing a personalized Trump-Vance jacket, responded: “No Obamacare.”

Johnson’s comments on the landmark 2010 health care law known as Obamacare — which has been a perennial GOP punching bag — come as both parties are making their closing arguments to voters. And it’s particularly notable after the Republican party’s high-profile failure to repeal key parts of the health care law during Trump’s first term in office.

“Health care reform is going to be a big part of the agenda,” Johnson said at the event. It was Johnson’s third time visiting the critical swing seat in the Lehigh Valley in eastern Pennsylvania as he looks to help GOP challenger Ryan Mackenzie unseat Democratic Rep. Susan Wild.

Republican leaders attempted to dismantle Obamacare when they had full control of Washington in 2017, but were stymied by then-Sen. John McCain, who opposed the GOP’s effort because the party didn’t have a substantive plan to replace the law. Since then, Republicans have shifted focus away from health policy, especially as they eye a big tax overhaul early next year.

But Johnson made clear this week that the GOP isn’t giving up on targeting the law.

“The ACA is so deeply ingrained; we need massive reform to make this work. And we got a lot of ideas on how to do that,” Johnson said. The speaker offered no specifics of the GOP’s legislative plans but noted that a group of Republican physicians in the House, known as the GOP Doctors Caucus, has been drafting potential legislative ideas.
And he said it wouldn’t just be health care getting a massive “free market” overhaul. “We need this across the board. And Trump’s gonna go big. I mean, he’s only gonna have one more term, right?” Johnson said.

The once-contentious health care law has not been a major theme of the 2024 campaign. That’s in part because of the popularity of several provisions, including protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
There’s also the political reality: Republicans in Congress have failed to do much more than chip away at the edges of the law, while the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld the legislation.

Taking a different tact than his previous campaigns, Trump himself has stressed to voters that he wouldn’t eliminate the health care law.

In a video posted to Truth Social in April, Trump said he is “not running to terminate the ACA” as Democrats have alleged.

Instead, he said: “We’re going to make it much better, much stronger.”

Even so, Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris warned in a recent health care ad blitz that Americans could risk losing their Obamacare protections if Trump wins.

Johnson’s remarks were first reported by NBC News.
A reminder that there were a lot of Republicans who were angry at Congressional Republicans and protested at Congress when they tried to get rid of it in 2017.

One of the main reasons McCain voted against it.
 
SCOTUS issued emergency stay to block purged Virginians from being reinstated to vote; these purged Virginians left the citizenship box blank on their driver license applications because it clearly states US citizens can do so.

 
Ahnahld could not have said it better...former Terminator and Republican Governor of California:

(note: there is bad word or two)


Spoiler For those who don't Twit or X or whatever you call it (sorry all the formatting was lost) :
I don’t really do endorsements. I’m not shy about sharing my views, but I hate politics and don’t trust most politicians.I also understand that people want to hear from me because I am not just a celebrity, I am a former Republican Governor.My time as Governor taught me to love policy and ignore politics. I’m proud of the work I did to help clean up our air, create jobs, balance the budget, make the biggest infrastructure investment in state history, and take power from the politicians and give it back to the people when it comes to our redistricting process and our primaries in California. That’s policy. It requires working with the other side, not insulting them to win your next election, and I know it isn’t sexy to most people, but I love it when I can help make people’s lives better with policies, like I still do through my institute at USC, where we fight for clean air and stripping the power from the politicians who rig the system against the people.Let me be honest with you: I don’t like either party right now. My Republicans have forgotten the beauty of the free market, driven up deficits, and rejected election results. Democrats aren’t any better at dealing with deficits, and I worry about their local policies hurting our cities with increased crime.It is probably not a surprise that I hate politics more than ever, which, if you are a normal person who isn’t addicted to this crap, you probably understand.I want to tune out.But I can’t. Because rejecting the results of an election is as un-American as it gets. To someone like me who talks to people all over the world and still knows America is the shining city on a hill, calling America is a trash can for the world is so unpatriotic, it makes me furious. And I will always be an American before I am a Republican.That’s why, this week, I am voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.I’m sharing it with all of you because I think there are a lot of you who feel like I do. You don’t recognize our country. And you are right to be furious.For decades, we’ve talked about the national debt. For decades, we’ve talked about comprehensive immigration reform that secures the border while fixing our broken immigration system. And Washington does nothing.The problems just keep rolling, and we all keep getting angrier, because the only people that benefit from problems aren’t you, the people. The only people that benefit from this crap are the politicians who prefer having talking points to win elections to the public service that will make Americans’ lives better. It is a just game to them. But it is life for my fellow Americans. We should be pissed!But a candidate who won’t respect your vote unless it is for him, a candidate who will send his followers to storm the Capitol while he watches with a Diet Coke, a candidate who has shown no ability to work to pass any policy besides a tax cut that helped his donors and other rich people like me but helped no one else else, a candidate who thinks Americans who disagree with him are the bigger enemies than China, Russia, or North Korea - that won’t solve our problems.It will just be four more years of bullfeathers with no results that makes us angrier and angrier, more divided, and more hateful.We need to close the door on this chapter of American history, and I know that former President Trump won’t do that. He will divide, he will insult, he will find new ways to be more un-American than he already has been, and we, the people, will get nothing but more anger.That’s enough reason for me to share my vote with all of you. I want to move forward as a country, and even though I have plenty of disagreements with their platform, I think the only way to do that is with Harris and Walz.Vote this week. Turn the page and put this junk behind us. And even if you disagree with me, vote, because that’s what we do as Americans. http://vote.org
 
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Good Lord, the delusions and projects are strong today.

1) cannot stand that moron in Ottawa. Didn't like his daddy much either. (with couple of exceptions)
1a) Ok, I do agree that legalizing MJ was a good idea. that's a "no duh" moment.
1b) His daddy was hated by Nixon for refusing to go into Vietnam. I loathe communism, but...
1c) (side note: more Canadians went south, joined the US military to go to Vietnam, than draft dodges came north. I'll y'all go look up the numbers)
2) That blackface thing should have gotten him tossed out on his ear. It was the liberal (progtot lefty kool-aid drinkers) who kept him there, and voted him back in.

3) um, by elderly German, I would hazard a guess, you're talking about the King. I liked his mother. Him.... he seems nice enough, but....
I notice that you seem particularly unbothered by the Dominion of Canada being officially a Dominion of the British Crown; but were rather interested in pointing out how America is officially a 'Constitutional Republic".
Surely in a Dominion of the British Crown, the son of old Betty Windsor is of more importance than a mere local minister.
 
I thought that "republic" was just conventionally used for democracies. For example, the official name of Greece in English is "Hellenic republic", and in Greek the term used for "republic" in the same title is "democracy".
While etymologically (and historically, in antiquity) the terms don't mean the same, with republic referring to a communal possession (res publica), in modern use I think it's entirely the same.
Of course you have titles like "the democratic republic (of Congo)", but what is a non-democratic republic supposed to be? At any rate, the two US parties don't represent different governing systems (one a republic and one a democracy) as if they are Rome and Athens; it's the same constitutional system.

On election news, Trump making sure to make full use of Biden's comments, and force news media to keep them in the reports for more days, by arriving at his rally in a garbage truck, wearing a worker's vest.

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The strategy wasn't bad; you can hardly not explain to your viewers why he is wearing this type of vest while speaking on stage.
 
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Trump out here looking like he wants to blockade Ottawa because he doesn't like the Canadian government's COVID policy
 
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