Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!
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Just replying in kind. Good to see that you too can choose to engage in browbeating when it suits you. Definitely makes your complaining about "the wokes" seem fair and level-headed.
If you want an example of "embarrassing yourself", it's Sarin complaining about this:
Because that is a very specific hyper-online signifier of being a part of the "culture war", having its popular roots (but not actual roots - started a few years before) in GamerGate (which is election-relevant in a small way given how the conservative war on anything remotely progressive has been amplified by far and alt-right figures throwing themselves into US politics).
Y'all say that leftists are terminally online, need to go outside, etc. This phrase here is from the other said of that "terminally online" thing. But weirdly, zero pushback to it. It's almost as though your own personal politics affects what you see as needing calling out, vs. what goes unchallenged.
Or you don't actually have the in-depth knowledge about the things you're talking about. Who's to know what's more likely.
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Narz
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I'm not browbeating, just shocked at the doubling and tripling down on ignorance.
I was enjoying a short tangent with Ordnael when you inserted yourself to mock me publicly in the thread. Don't really know what else to call it, especially given the amount of tangents about mean behaviour from leftists forcing people to vote for Trump. I certainly wouldn't go around throwing stones about ignorance. The whole point of a discussion is to attack the argument, not the person.
You're right, these things you're saying are definitely the same thing and you absolutely know what you're talking about.
Narz
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Saying Spaniards and Portuguese aren't Latin is like saying English aren't Anglos, only white Americans can be, like WTH.
He's likely seen the word used so much in the context of Latin America (America that was colonized by Latin people) he's forgotten what it even means.
Whatever we all make mistakes, it's ok to just admit it.
This is a fun tangent. Please go look up
I've made such an obvious mistake you feel it's self-evident, so this should be easy.
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Ordnael
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Looking for something to complain about humm...you mean like this?Magicking up theories about melanin or "latin descendents" that have nothing to do with what anyone was talking about seems like the quintessential example of looking for something to complain about, in a US election thread.
That can't be right. I was told only leftists pursued made-up grievances to make others feel badYou have fun with your wild theories.
I've got you number buddy...you can't stand people that don't share all your world views to the letter, moderates be damned!
I mean, good job linking to a completely different post I made in a different thread nearly a month ago. That's . . . definitely normal behaviour.I've got you number buddy...you can't stand people that don't share all your world views to the letter, moderates be damned!
Anyhow, yes, as I said, I was told only leftists pursued made-up grievances. I am a leftist. This uh, this isn't difficult
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Let's try and get back to something resembling reality, shall we? Once again, it looks like "identity politics" isn't to blame.
Why Biden’s Team Thinks Harris Lost
Embedded in their autopsies was their own unstated faith that they could have done better.
www.theatlantic.com
Well, you see, they simultaneously pity Latin Americans for being in some God-forsaken place in notAmerica and left to theirown primitive devices and yet they expect them to magically become enlightened just by crossing the border into the Promised Land. It's a bit patronising, to be honest, as explained, in part, by choxorn:
Ordnael
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I mean, good job linking to a completely different post I made in a different thread nearly a month ago. That's . . . definitely normal behaviour.
Anyhow, yes, as I said, I was told only leftists pursued made-up grievances. I am a leftist. This uh, this isn't difficult
Made up grievances huh!?...I am not latino anymore because I am not a Mexican descended from a Spaniard!
Just like the other woman was taught in school that Cleopatra was black I was taught that my people are descendent from latinos!
If it's not enough to ascertain my identity like this, let me use another method more coherent with your views and... just like some folks choose identify themselves differently enough to warrant access to women only safe spaces while keeping their original privates pristine then I choose to identify as latino, there...better? Or am I less human than the other folks that choose their identity.
Isn't "latin american" using "latin" as the adjective for the type of "american", instead of it meaning (rather bizarrely) "latin male, american"?
Too bad "americana" never was used to mean "female american" (it does in Greek, btw; here -say- Jennifer Lopez is a latinoamericana).
There's also the anodyne option to use the periphrasis "american latins and latinas" or "american latinas and latins". The "american" in front can be dropped in some cases, as it is inferred in context.
Too bad "americana" never was used to mean "female american" (it does in Greek, btw; here -say- Jennifer Lopez is a latinoamericana).
There's also the anodyne option to use the periphrasis "american latins and latinas" or "american latinas and latins". The "american" in front can be dropped in some cases, as it is inferred in context.
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Narz
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If it's fun for you, you do it.
Like I said, have fun with your theories. You're not really helping the folks in the thread who are trying to blame "the left" for making everything about "woke politics", as you've tried to shoehorn in a) my criticism of Musk from another thread and b) your moaning about trans rights. Kinda seems like you're trying to make everything about identity politics despite my attempts to get back to the topic.
Latino (from Latin American) does indeed describe a type of (Latin) American with a specific heritage, yes. Now, if Ordnael was from Brazil, and not Portugal, this would be relevant. And if he is from Brazil, then I'm wrong and pre-emptively apologise. But that doesn't seem to be the case.
The context is also US politics wrt. the election, where these demographics are being labelled in the context of voter demographics, which means "whatever Ordnael thinks" doesn't actually apply, nomatter how clever Sarin thinks he's being. Heck, whatever I think doesn't apply. All we can do is provide sources relevant to the election (and when appropriate, definitions from Google to appease whatever tedious semantics people want to attack other posters over), and hope for the best.
You're the one telling me I'm wrong, calling out my apparent embarrassment, and so on. It's on you buddy. If you choose not to, own that choice.
stfoskey12
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My take is that Democrats shouldn't change hardly any of their stances on social issues. But they should emphasize them less over economic issues. The vast majority of economists said the economy would do better under Harris than Trump, but I didn't hear it talked about much. Democrats should also not be afraid to call out Republicans when they vote down things like minimum wage increases or infrastructure spending.
Yeah this is what is interesting about the analysis in my post further up the page. They abandoned the approach that was helping them on the economic front, allegedly at the urging of Harris' own brother-in-law. Kinda wild, really.
(as well as sending Clinton to Michigan, as I understand it)
aelf
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Nah, it didn't work for the Remain campaign during the Brexit vote. The right appeals to emotions and keeps winning.
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