Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[Ajidica]

This effect will be seen across the media.

Doesn't feel like 2016.

No idea how old you were in 2016, but it does feel a lot like it. There was a brief flurry of "let's work with Trump to make progress on areas we can agree on* and provide constructive criticism to move forward".
That lasted barely a week when the Muslim Ban came out.

*Infrastructure Week!

 

[Voidwalkin]

No idea how old you were in 2016, but it does feel a lot like it. There was a brief flurry of "let's work with Trump to make progress on areas we can agree on* and provide constructive criticism to move forward".
That lasted barely a week when the Muslim Ban came out.

*Infrastructure Week!

26.

In 2016, there was speculation that Trump campaigned with extreme rhetoric, but that he might be convinced to be moderate in governance.

What felt like a negotiating establishment then now feels like the kissing of the ring. There aren't(or shouldn't be) be any illusions about how Trump will govern. This is capitulation for continued media access.

 

[choxorn]

No idea how old you were in 2016, but it does feel a lot like it. There was a brief flurry of "let's work with Trump to make progress on areas we can agree on* and provide constructive criticism to move forward".
That lasted barely a week when the Muslim Ban came out.

*Infrastructure Week!

I'm sure Infrastructure Week will be somewhere at the top of Trump's priority list, along with his beautiful concept of a health care plan that's just the best, everyone will love it, and he's had years to work on these, so surely he should have something now, right?

 

[Kyriakos]

When was the last time that the two parties expressed any sense of wanting to work with each other?
Certainly it would be before Obama, and since then it was W, it can easily go to more than two decades ago.
For so many elections now it has only been a worsening partisanship, and acting like it won't reach a boiling point.

 

[stfoskey12]

My mom claims Newt Gingrich ruined bipartisanship when Republicans took control of the House during the Clinton administration.

 

[Zardnaar]

He was the start of it. IMHO.

 

[Samson]

"Like what?" A hypothetical "you" asks, rhetorically.

Surely the answer is to kill the republicans above the top democrat in the presidential order of succession after confirmation but before inauguration, now that is legal for the president to do that.

 

[Farm Boy]

Newt got politically plastered on that government shutdown. I think that the momentum on that specific one goes the other way.

 

[Estebonrober]

My mom claims Newt Gingrich ruined bipartisanship when Republicans took control of the House during the Clinton administration.

This is accurate but it is important that bipartisanship really died when the USSR fell apart... then the robber barons became unsatiable, and they are taking the planet down with them.

 

[Estebonrober]

My guess, is that Trump doesn't have to do anything approaching this. All he has to do, is deliver enough deportation events, depicting human suffering, and maybe go through the motions with a little bit of military, to satisfy his supporters that he is "doing something". Once he does that, the media will play right into his hands, by non-stop condemning and wailing and "I told-you-so" shaming everyone who voted for Trump... and that will be mission accomplished for Trump. His supporters will be satisfied, because they got to see some of the people they scapegoat for the inflation/economy suffer and they will also get crying and gnashing of teeth of the pwned libs. His opponents will also be satisfied, because they will get the schadenfreude of seeing the people who they scapegoat for the election loss suffer the "karma" they deserve and the self-righteous satisfaction of getting to be "proven right" about how terrible Trump would be.

Everyone gets what they want... because at this point... Trump is a supervillain to his opponents... folks don't just hate him... they love to hate him.

They will, but as I reference above, it won't harm Trump in the slightest. It will actually help Trump, boosting his image with his supporters, delivering exactly what they voted for and it will also serve the dual purpose of delivering the non-stop, breathless media coverage that catapulted him into power in the first place. If Trump deports even a tiny fraction of people, it will be covered day and night, by the liberal and moderate media as an apocalypse level event. Meanwhile conservative media will cover it as the heroic, epic fulfilment of a critical campaign promise... all of which will serve to elevate Trump to mythical status among his supporters.

Yea, the first set of videos of military yanking children out of their homes and putting them in camps will be great. Then it will get better when the occasional firefight breaks out. 'Murica! We do fascism even more stupidly than those other guys. fudge yea!

 

[Sommerswerd]

Yea, the first set of videos of military yanking children out of their homes and putting them in camps will be great. Then it will get better when the occasional firefight breaks out. 'Murica! We do fascism even more stupidly than those other guys. fudge yea!

You think there will be firefights over immigration or deportations?

 

[KMRblue1027]

There will be for sure, that's not a question it'll get violent fast. It's actually why I don't think the policy will be implemented with any success because the blowback will be not just protests but actual violence

 

[Theov]

Yea, the first set of videos of military yanking children out of their homes and putting them in camps will be great. Then it will get better when the occasional firefight breaks out. 'Murica! We do fascism even more stupidly than those other guys. fudge yea!

What is 'fascist' about sending people out of a country that are there illegally?
Do you really think that if you go to *throws dart at the map* Mozambique and overstay your visa that you won't get a visit from the authorities?
What do you think - or expect - to happen?

 

[Gorbles]

There will be for sure, that's not a question it'll get violent fast. It's actually why I don't think the policy will be implemented with any success because the blowback will be not just protests but actual violence

Don't worry, folks will tut-tut at the idea of violence, even if what is being fought is very obviously bad.

 

[Senethro]

It already gets violent when cops knock on the wrong door. Escalation is practically inevitable.

 

[KMRblue1027]

See maybe I'm just overly optimistic but my feeling is military commanders won't risk lives for the very quickly descending violence by such a policy it'll fail due to that more then anything.

 

[Sommerswerd]

There will be for sure, that's not a question it'll get violent fast. It's actually why I don't think the policy will be implemented with any success because the blowback will be not just protests but actual violence

Would you please link any articles about prior US deportations that resulted in violent firefights? I'll admit that I hadn't even considered that factor, and given folks predictions here, I am interested to hear about cases where it happened in the past.

 

[KMRblue1027]

There hasn't AFAIK but more left leaning folks have been arming themselves a LOT over the last few years basically since 2015. We're in uncharted space here.

Edit: Maybe not deportation per se but there was plenty of confrontations over the Fugitive Slave Act this is similar policy

Edit2: Here's the most famous firefight from that act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiana_Riot

 

[Senethro]

It kind of depends on how serious they are on actually achieving the stated goal of deportation. If they just want some political theatre, news footage, some corruption, and some race based cruelty then it could be done at a merely Very Harmful level. At the end of the term, somehow the illegal immigrant population will still have increased.

If they actually want to achieve deportation of even 20% then the manpower, money, logistics and incarceration space required would mean corners get cut in all the ways that would make it a real horrorshow.

 

[Lexicus]

You think there will be firefights over immigration or deportations?

Probably, since we all know citizens will be targeted. You'll probably get at least a few instances like Breonna Taylor's murder where someone gets a late-night knock on the door and fires a gun because they think they're getting robbed.