Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[Ziggy Stardust]

Moved here, because I don't want to respond in the other thread

against Trump's plans

Trump's plans. Good one. So ... remind me, what was Trump's plan to end the war in one day?

The backtracking has started "I could have ended the war in one day, but now Biden made it impossible"
Reminiscent of: "Of course we have a health care plan. It'll be finished in 2 weeks"

edit: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-allies-react-biden-allowing-ukraine-strike-us-atacms-1987178

Assclown Jr.
"The Military Industrial Complex seems to want to make sure they get World War 3 going before my father has a chance to create peace and save lives. Gotta lock in those $Trillions. Life be damned!!! Imbeciles!"

Are there indeed imbiciles who fall for this crap?

more edit, because imbiciles

"As President Trump has said on the campaign trail, he is the only person who can bring both sides together in order to negotiate peace, and work towards ending the war and stopping the killing. Only official statements on this matter will come directly from President Trump or his authorized spokespeople."

President Trump is the only person who can bring both sides together in order to negotiate peace, and work towards ending the war and stopping the killing.

How do we know?

President Trump said so.

I repeat: Are there indeed imbiciles who fall for this crap?

 

[Kyriakos]

Moved here, because I don't want to respond in the other thread

Trump's plans. Good one. So ... remind me, what was Trump's plan to end the war in one day?

The backtracking has started "I could have ended the war in one day, but now Biden made it impossible"
Reminiscent of: "Of course we have a health care plan. It'll be finished in 2 weeks"

edit: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-allies-react-biden-allowing-ukraine-strike-us-atacms-1987178

Are there indeed imbiciles who fall for this crap?

more edit, because imbiciles

President Trump is the only person who can bring both sides together in order to negotiate peace, and work towards ending the war and stopping the killing.

How do we know?

President Trump said so.

I repeat: Are there indeed imbiciles who fall for this crap?

You made me think of domiciles. Eg the web is such for anger.
I don't see how an article explicitly on the war in Ukraine should be replied to in this thread, no.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I don't see how an article explicitly on the war in Ukraine should be replied to in this thread, no.

I can reply to articles wherever I like. Or not in threads I don't like.
As the philosopher Bobby Brown put it: That's my prerogative

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Still

Moved here, because I don't want to respond in the other thread

Trump's plans. Good one. So ... remind me, what was Trump's plan to end the war in one day?

The backtracking has started "I could have ended the war in one day, but now Biden made it impossible"
Reminiscent of: "Of course we have a health care plan. It'll be finished in 2 weeks"

edit: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-allies-react-biden-allowing-ukraine-strike-us-atacms-1987178

Are there indeed imbiciles who fall for this crap?

more edit, because imbiciles

President Trump is the only person who can bring both sides together in order to negotiate peace, and work towards ending the war and stopping the killing.

How do we know?

President Trump said so.

I repeat: Are there indeed imbiciles who fall for this crap?

USA turned into an Idiocracy. Afaik it is the only time a sci-fi movie plot happens in reality long before it happens in fiction.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Trump vows to use US military for mass deportations​

President-elect Donald Trump has confirmed on his social media network that he plans to use the US military to carry out a mass deportation of undocumented migrants.
On Monday, he posted "TRUE!!!" in response to a conservative commentator who wrote that Trump would declare a national emergency and use military assets to lead “a mass deportation program”.
At campaign events, Trump repeatedly pledged to mobilise the National Guard to assist Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the federal agency tasked with carrying out deportations.
Trump's latest comment comes as questions grow about how he would fulfil his pledge to execute the largest mass deportation in US history.
He has repeatedly said he would begin deportations on his first day in office, which will be 20 January 2025.
But even if a US administration was able to legally move ahead with these plans, authorities would still have to contend with enormous logistical challenges.
For example, experts are doubtful that ICE's 20,000 agents and support personnel would be enough to find and track down millions of undocumented migrants.
There would also be a major financial cost, but Trump recently told NBC News that this would not deter his administration's efforts.
Trump's post was made on his Truth Social network early on Monday as he continues to announce his nominations for key posts in his administration.

Trump has already chosen several loyal allies for top roles overseeing immigration and deportation policy, including Kristi Noem who has been nominated to lead the Department of Homeland Security, and former ICE chief Tom Homan who Trump has named his "border tsar".
Trump's team have so far released few details about how the plan will be executed.
He has previously said that he plans to declare a national emergency, which would authorise him to deploy troops on US soil.
Homan told Fox News on Monday that he will visit Trump's Florida home this week "to put the final touches on the plan", including deciding what role the US Department of Defense (DOD) will have.
"Can DOD assist? Because DOD can take a lot off our plate," he said, saying that the pace of deportations will depend on the resources agencies are given.
On Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sued ICE for more details on how the deportation plan will work. The group plans to continue to file legal challenges in an effort to block the mass deportation.
Under the four years of the previous Trump administration, around 1.5 million people were deported, both from the border and the US interior.
The Biden administration - which had deported about 1.1 million people up to February 2024 - is on track to match that, statistics show.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2nrg4deyjo

 

[Birdjaguar]

Deporting 11 million people will be expensive. Since the rich will be getting tax cuts I guess the money will have to come from the oh so bloated food stamps and Medicaid budgets. Social Security too.

 

[Sommerswerd]

MSNBC's Mika Brezinski and Joe Scarborough met privately with Trump at Mar-a-Lago... they say to express their disagreements...

 

[Ajidica]

MSNBC's Mika Brezinski and Joe Scarborough met privately with Trump at Mar-a-Lago... they say to express their disagreements...

"We must join with him"

“A new Power is rising. Against it the old allies and policies will not avail us at all. There is no hope left in Elves or dying Númenor. This then is one choice before you, before us. We may join with that Power. It would be wise, Gandalf. There is hope that way. Its victory is at hand; and there will be rich reward for those that aided it. As the Power grows, its proved friends will also grow; and the Wise, such as you and I, may with patience come at last to direct its courses, to control it. We can bide our time, we can keep our thoughts in our hearts, deploring maybe evils done by the way, but approving the high and ultimate purpose: Knowledge, Rule, Order; all the things that we have so far striven in vain to accomplish, hindered rather than helped by our weak or idle friends. There need not be, there would not be, any real change in our designs, only in our means.”

The Saruman Trap

When power is corrupt, there is no way to escape its toxic influence.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Lexicus]

MSNBC's Mika Brezinski and Joe Scarborough met privately with Trump at Mar-a-Lago... they say to express their disagreements...

The thought that those two reptiles are Biden's favorite show is funny

 

[Voidwalkin]

"We must join with him"

The Saruman Trap

When power is corrupt, there is no way to escape its toxic influence.

www.theatlantic.com

This effect will be seen across the media.

Doesn't feel like 2016.

 

[Estebonrober]

Trump vows to use US military for mass deportations​

President-elect Donald Trump has confirmed on his social media network that he plans to use the US military to carry out a mass deportation of undocumented migrants.
On Monday, he posted "TRUE!!!" in response to a conservative commentator who wrote that Trump would declare a national emergency and use military assets to lead “a mass deportation program”.
At campaign events, Trump repeatedly pledged to mobilise the National Guard to assist Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the federal agency tasked with carrying out deportations.
Trump's latest comment comes as questions grow about how he would fulfil his pledge to execute the largest mass deportation in US history.
He has repeatedly said he would begin deportations on his first day in office, which will be 20 January 2025.
But even if a US administration was able to legally move ahead with these plans, authorities would still have to contend with enormous logistical challenges.
For example, experts are doubtful that ICE's 20,000 agents and support personnel would be enough to find and track down millions of undocumented migrants.
There would also be a major financial cost, but Trump recently told NBC News that this would not deter his administration's efforts.
Trump's post was made on his Truth Social network early on Monday as he continues to announce his nominations for key posts in his administration.

Trump has already chosen several loyal allies for top roles overseeing immigration and deportation policy, including Kristi Noem who has been nominated to lead the Department of Homeland Security, and former ICE chief Tom Homan who Trump has named his "border tsar".
Trump's team have so far released few details about how the plan will be executed.
He has previously said that he plans to declare a national emergency, which would authorise him to deploy troops on US soil.
Homan told Fox News on Monday that he will visit Trump's Florida home this week "to put the final touches on the plan", including deciding what role the US Department of Defense (DOD) will have.
"Can DOD assist? Because DOD can take a lot off our plate," he said, saying that the pace of deportations will depend on the resources agencies are given.
On Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sued ICE for more details on how the deportation plan will work. The group plans to continue to file legal challenges in an effort to block the mass deportation.
Under the four years of the previous Trump administration, around 1.5 million people were deported, both from the border and the US interior.
The Biden administration - which had deported about 1.1 million people up to February 2024 - is on track to match that, statistics show.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2nrg4deyjo

The optics on this is going to be amazing.

 

[aelf]

Deporting 11 million people will be expensive. Since the rich will be getting tax cuts I guess the money will have to come from the oh so bloated food stamps and Medicaid budgets. Social Security too.

Wonder how MAGA will blame Biden and Obama for that.

 

[Farm Boy]

"Fixing thier problems."

"Four years of dereliction at the border."

That is already baked in.

 

[Birdjaguar]

"Four years of dereliction at the border."

The border has been porous for the last 250 years.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Meanwhile the vast majority of "illegals" are people who overstayed their Visas

 

[JollyRoger]

Or married a Trump

 

[Farm Boy]

The border has been porous for the last 250 years.

Yeah, but the question was messaging.

I could argue it is enabled by scale, maybe, but I'm not that interested unless you really are.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Trump vows to use US military for mass deportations​

President-elect Donald Trump has confirmed on his social media network that he plans to use the US military to carry out a mass deportation of undocumented migrants.
On Monday, he posted "TRUE!!!" in response to a conservative commentator who wrote that Trump would declare a national emergency and use military assets to lead “a mass deportation program”.
At campaign events, Trump repeatedly pledged to mobilise the National Guard to assist Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the federal agency tasked with carrying out deportations.
Trump's latest comment comes as questions grow about how he would fulfil his pledge to execute the largest mass deportation in US history.
He has repeatedly said he would begin deportations on his first day in office, which will be 20 January 2025.
But even if a US administration was able to legally move ahead with these plans, authorities would still have to contend with enormous logistical challenges.
For example, experts are doubtful that ICE's 20,000 agents and support personnel would be enough to find and track down millions of undocumented migrants.
There would also be a major financial cost, but Trump recently told NBC News that this would not deter his administration's efforts.
Trump's post was made on his Truth Social network early on Monday as he continues to announce his nominations for key posts in his administration.

Trump has already chosen several loyal allies for top roles overseeing immigration and deportation policy, including Kristi Noem who has been nominated to lead the Department of Homeland Security, and former ICE chief Tom Homan who Trump has named his "border tsar".
Trump's team have so far released few details about how the plan will be executed.
He has previously said that he plans to declare a national emergency, which would authorise him to deploy troops on US soil.
Homan told Fox News on Monday that he will visit Trump's Florida home this week "to put the final touches on the plan", including deciding what role the US Department of Defense (DOD) will have.
"Can DOD assist? Because DOD can take a lot off our plate," he said, saying that the pace of deportations will depend on the resources agencies are given.
On Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sued ICE for more details on how the deportation plan will work. The group plans to continue to file legal challenges in an effort to block the mass deportation.
Under the four years of the previous Trump administration, around 1.5 million people were deported, both from the border and the US interior.
The Biden administration - which had deported about 1.1 million people up to February 2024 - is on track to match that, statistics show.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2nrg4deyjo

My guess, is that Trump doesn't have to do anything approaching this. All he has to do, is deliver enough deportation events, depicting human suffering, and maybe go through the motions with a little bit of military, to satisfy his supporters that he is "doing something". Once he does that, the media will play right into his hands, by non-stop condemning and wailing and "I told-you-so" shaming everyone who voted for Trump... and that will be mission accomplished for Trump. His supporters will be satisfied, because they got to see some of the people they scapegoat for the inflation/economy suffer and they will also get crying and gnashing of teeth of the pwned libs. His opponents will also be satisfied, because they will get the schadenfreude of seeing the people who they scapegoat for the election loss suffer the "karma" they deserve and the self-righteous satisfaction of getting to be "proven right" about how terrible Trump would be.

Everyone gets what they want... because at this point... Trump is a supervillain to his opponents... folks don't just hate him... they love to hate him.

The optics on this is going to be amazing.

They will, but as I reference above, it won't harm Trump in the slightest. It will actually help Trump, boosting his image with his supporters, delivering exactly what they voted for and it will also serve the dual purpose of delivering the non-stop, breathless media coverage that catapulted him into power in the first place. If Trump deports even a tiny fraction of people, it will be covered day and night, by the liberal and moderate media as an apocalypse level event. Meanwhile conservative media will cover it as the heroic, epic fulfilment of a critical campaign promise... all of which will serve to elevate Trump to mythical status among his supporters.

 

[Sommerswerd]

The thought that those two reptiles are Biden's favorite show is funny

The catch-22 Democrats put us in is indeed funny (not haha, but the other kind) to see play out. By spending the entire election cycle focusing on "saving Democracy" and touting non-stop, the "peaceful transition of power", along with Democrats commitment to it and Republicans rejection of it, Democrats essentially set up a situation where they can't breathe even a peep of complaint about Trump's win. They have to go out of their way to concede, accept and even gleefully and graciously welcome into power, someone that they have been calling a fascist for months.

It makes them look like complete frauds and shreds all credibility, perhaps permanently. But like I said, they created this trap for themselves... because Democrats always think they are going to win the next election, and never make any preparations to lose. They thought they were going to win, so they could rail on and on about the necessity of conceding, peaceful transition, etc... so now they can't go all "Viva la resistance"... because as always, Democrats are unwilling to stoop to hypocrisy or *gasp* intellectual dishonesty. They'd rather self immolate than do anything like that. Meanwhile the Republicans largely have not hesitated to embrace, double standards, hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty, contradiction of espoused values, criminality, immorality, misinformation, dishonesty in general, and similar, in furtherance of maintaining power.

"We must join with him"

The Saruman Trap

When power is corrupt, there is no way to escape its toxic influence.

www.theatlantic.com

Just thinking out loud... this is a pretty extreme situation, with Republicans in control of all three branches of government. I guess the conventional approach would be for Democrats to just spend the next couple years filibustering everything they can, and getting steamrolled on everything else... while they do what Democrats always do... assume they will win the next election. The irony is... Even now, as they stand virtually powerless, on the precipice of being steamrolled into a one-party-rule, Trump-dictatorship, Democrats remain pretty feckless and don't have the imagination or cunning to do anything bold.

"Like what?" A hypothetical "you" asks, rhetorically... Well, again thinking/spitballing out loud... one thing I guess the Democrats could do... since they seem to be in such a shall we say... cooperative, collaborative, surrendering mood... is they could take the power out of Congressional Republicans hands, by threatening to approve all of Trump's crazy cabinet picks. Just announce something like "We have heard the will of the American people loud and clear and we will not be the party of obstruction. Therefore, we are going to co-operate with the new POTUS and our Republican colleagues to govern. For starters, we will not block, or go along with efforts to block, the POTUS cabinet appointments..." and so, on... you get the idea.

At least then, the Republicans will, in the eyes of the electorate, own all the consequences and events of the next two years and won't be able to put an iota of blame on Democrats obstruction. This will also deprive the MTG's of the party the ability to leverage their slim majority to force crazy things. If the moderates know that they can count on Democrats to vote with them, they can ignore the true MAGAnauts in Congress. An additional irony of an approach like this, is they don't have to actually do most, or even any of it. They just have to say they are doing it, on the internet, tv, radio, news etc... The voters have demonstrated that they vote based on perception, often at the expense of reality.

Anyway... who knows... just giving hot-takes here. The situation isn't great, to say the least.

 

[stfoskey12]

From a strategic standpoint, I agree with you that Democrats should just let Republicans be stupid and hope that works. From a moral standpoint, I am concerned about how much suffering could be inflicted in such a scenario.