Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

Who do you think will win in November?


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Trump does have a business background. I am talking about someone who is purely a representative voice. Reagan was an actor turned politician. I see no reason we can't have a social influencer > president career track. I expect it. Meritocracy is dead. It is all identity now.
Trae Crowder for President!
 
To pivot to down ballet races for a sec. Democratic candidates are still overperforming the top of the ticket by roughly the same margins as before according to polls which thanks to Harris' gains makes the senate map look quite odd. Tester probably can't win but Cruz might also be in trouble which could lead to a weird ass map.
 
Trump does have a business background. I am talking about someone who is purely a representative voice. Reagan was an actor turned politician. I see no reason we can't have a social influencer > president career track. I expect it. Meritocracy is dead. It is all identity now.
Trump and meritocracy in the same post is extremely funny.

Anyhow, "identity" is exactly what a visible leader tends to run on. It's why optics matter (for good and for bad).
 
Trump does have a business background. I am talking about someone who is purely a representative voice. Reagan was an actor turned politician. I see no reason we can't have a social influencer > president career track. I expect it. Meritocracy is dead. It is all identity now.
Yes, Trump is such a superb businessman. He has declared bankruptcy 6 times. Three of those were casinos. Casinos are a license to print money. Do you know how hard it is to bankrupt a casino? It takes an extra level of incompetence to mismanage three casinos and force them into bankruptcy. And then there's Trump U; Trump Steaks, Trump Foundation,

"Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.

Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.

PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard" during the 2008 recession.

And there is more.
“The Trump Taj Mahal, which was built and owned by President Trump, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 1991. The Trump Plaza, the Trump Castle, and the Plaza Hotel, all owned by President Trump at the time, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 1992. THCR, which was founded by President Trump in 1995, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2004. Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc., the new name given to Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts after its 2004 bankruptcy, declared bankruptcy in 2009.”

Then there’s the list of “companies that had license agreements with President Trump [that] have failed”:

“Trump Shuttle Inc., launched by President Trump in 1989, defaulted on its loans in 1990 and ceased to exist by 1992. Trump University, founded by President Trump in 2005, ceased operations in 2011 amid lawsuits and investigations regarding the company’s business practices. Trump Vodka, a brand of vodka produced by Drinks Americas under license from the Trump Organization, was introduced in 2005 and discontinued in 2011.”

Also, “Trump Mortgage, LLC, a financial services company founded by President Trump in 2006, ceased operations in 2007. GoTrump.com, a travel site founded by President Trump in 2006, ceased operations in 2007. Trump Steaks, a brand of steak and other meats founded by President Trump in 2007, discontinued sales two months after its launch.”
 
Oh, so you do believe. I missed that.
jesus, your salt. :D

you should be able to objectively evaluate that someone is good at playing up a crowd. as much as i find trump heinous, most people recognize he's got some mettle rhetorically (even if it's a strange one, with the tangents and gaffes and nonsense and stuff).

also telling that when prompted with points or questions, you retreat elsewhere in the thread. and this is your jump-in? again, it's weak.
 
Trump does have a business background. I am talking about someone who is purely a representative voice. Reagan was an actor turned politician. I see no reason we can't have a social influencer > president career track. I expect it. Meritocracy is dead. It is all identity now.
Trump has always been identity over merit ever since he was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.
 
@Sommerswerd I just found it interesting that you hypothesized Pelosi may have had a sit-down with AOC, I hypothesized AOC may want to take a run at Hochul, and then I saw this tweet:
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If she does and she and Harris both win two terms, she'll have 6 years a Gov when Harris is term-limited out in 2032. And she'll still only be roughly the same age as JFK.
 
Is it likely that people in the US just were fed up with all the ancients (Hillary-Trump-Biden) and so Kamala has a real chance of a big win? If so - and if she does win - it will be interesting to see if anything will change, as she wasn't meant to be potus but just might.
There won't be many changes politically if she wins. Corporate taxes may go up a few percent. I'd like that, but it's not transformative. American workers will continue to(relatively) lose position, a continuation of our long, glacial post WW2 decline.

We will continue to have social problems. These are beyond the reach of the state. Certainly no one realistically expects the state to address an issue like loneliness - but it is one of many roots of our present political weirdness. Isolated people, a sense of a breakdown in the social contract, problems hard to identify let alone solve, we will remain a fertile ground for populism of various forms, but I don't think Harris is that person.

edit: as to fed up with the ancients, I think that was a multiplier on Biden hate, without being its source. Have you ever seen a group just try to tear a guy down, without a clear reason why? That was always there, across Biden's whole presidency. He wasn't Trump, which mattered to some, he wasn't Obama, which mattered to some, he wasn't Bernie, which mattered to some, he was a status quo guy in an era of status quo weakness that disparate groups seemed to agree was awful, and a consensus emerged that he was without a consensus reason why pretty early.

He just didn't have much sympathy, and it showed. Age was a valid concern, and I argued he should step down largely in recognition that it gave a real casus belli to foes in and outside of the Dem party. Which had always been sorta unreasonable, but wasn't going away, and would've lost the election.
 
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It's clear to me, and to you, that the election couldn't have been stolen...except by the government itself.
That is your assumption not mine, frankly it sounds unhinged. You can make any assumption you want but if there is no evidence to support it, it not convincing. I don't think were operating in the same universe.
 
Trump does have a business background. I am talking about someone who is purely a representative voice. Reagan was an actor turned politician. I see no reason we can't have a social influencer > president career track. I expect it. Meritocracy is dead. It is all identity now.
Reagan was also the governor of the largest state. So did not come into the presidency without background.
 
I see no reason we can't have a social influencer > president career track.
Oprah didn't want the job; maybe Taylor swift will take the plunge.
 
Trump appears to acknowledge he lost 2020 election, says he came up “just a little bit short”


CNN:
Former President Donald Trump on Thursday appeared to publicly acknowledge he lost the 2020 election and said he came up “just a little bit short,” despite regularly lying about the last presidential election he lost and falsely claiming it was rigged.

“I got many millions more votes than I got the first time but didn’t quite make it — just a little bit short,” Trump said during a campaign event at the US-Mexico border in Arizona.

He still called the election “horrible” and said the US needed to “clean up” its elections. Trump regularly falsely claims there was widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election and spreads election conspiracy theories.

Remember: The 2020 election was highly secure; Trump lost fair and square to Joe Biden by an Electoral College margin of 306 to 232; and there is no evidence of voter fraud even close to widespread enough to have changed the outcome in any state.


Oh my. He must be desperate to change his story after 4 years.
 
He means he came up just a little bit short of making the election so close, SCOTUS could steal it for him

they are gonna try to steal it this time:
 
One of the opening acts of tonights DNC was two of Kamala Harris' gradeschool aged nieces who had the very specific job of teaching everyone to pronounce "Kamala"... and you'll be pleased to hear that they used exactly the same description as you... "comma like a sentence... la like singing lalala"

Then they got the crowd chanting "This side of the house say 'comma' this side say 'la'... comma-la! comma-la!..."

They obviously read your stuff on CFC :D
 
I am rooting for the electoral college tie. That would be a hoot.
Of course you would. You want more election drama and uncertainty since atm your guy is looking like a two time loser. I guess you are seeing the election of a president as some form of reality show entertainment: "that would be a hoot."
 
@Sommerswerd I just found it interesting that you hypothesized Pelosi may have had a sit-down with AOC, I hypothesized AOC may want to take a run at Hochul, and then I saw this tweet:
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This definitely bolsters your suspicion that Hochul's days are numbered and AOC may be the heir apparent.
 
Meh idk there is literally zero evidence for this theory, it's probably a safer assumption that she'd want to go to the Senate next.
 
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