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Is your last point an absolute deal-breaker for you? Because we won't be paying you anything.
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Ekolite
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But why? The Calabim deserve compensation for the pains that you have caused them. You claim to care about the people of the Calabim but you wont help to repair the damages that you caused and rebuild the lives that you destroyed with your irresponsible actions.
If not 80g, then something at least. 60?
If not 80g, then something at least. 60?
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We insist that the people decide for themselves. We would request that you carry-out a one-time plebescite (OOC: am i using that word correctly?) and allow the people to decide for themselves if they would like to have elected representatives represent them in government. This plebescite would be a simple yes or no question.
If, indeed, the people find elections to fill them with outrage, then this will be the last they will have to perform and Calabim government will proceed as you have proposed.
If, however, the people decide for themselves that they would like their views and needs represented in the decision-making process, you would have to accept this decision and form a senate (which would only interfere in domestic affairs and not in foreign affairs).
Oh, and we will not be paying you. The embargo saved lives even if it didn't save coin.
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No. Especially if you wont even pay for this mess of a situation. The population does not want this, and the very notion that they should (a poll or plebescite) will give them the impression of a weak government. Something we do not need right now as the embargo has caused us enough stability issues as it is.
I have information about the smugglers that you will not be getting if you do not:
a) forget about this ridiculous human government. It is simply not possible or neccessary in our culture, and any man that does want power is already working in the government. There are plenty of opportunities for humans in our government. Something I think my own story is a testament to.
b) pay us something in the way of compensation.
We are willing to negotiate the amount of compensation, but it is required in some shape or form.
I have information about the smugglers that you will not be getting if you do not:
a) forget about this ridiculous human government. It is simply not possible or neccessary in our culture, and any man that does want power is already working in the government. There are plenty of opportunities for humans in our government. Something I think my own story is a testament to.
b) pay us something in the way of compensation.
We are willing to negotiate the amount of compensation, but it is required in some shape or form.
Just to interfere, you all DO realize what Vampires can do as a T3 unit? Because from my perspective all that 'problem with slaves' is just about the same problem that USA had with lack of democracy on middle east. They CERTAINLY never wanted to take oil reserves there 
.Two things - From this turn, your commerce limit matters. Take care that you build enough farms, else you face increasing crop prices or even famine.
Also, unrelated, adepts in your army help you to reduce influence of enemy adepts, especially if you have opposite element as your mana - so law mana may stop chaos mutations or summons.
Also, unrelated, adepts in your army help you to reduce influence of enemy adepts, especially if you have opposite element as your mana - so law mana may stop chaos mutations or summons.
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OOC:
Regarding the Dark Fantasy context. I think the arguments about slavery are, indeed out of context coming from the Amurites. For Kuriotates, who are good, it makes sense. But Amurites... I mean, Junil's chief value is obediance. Slaves should obey. It's perfectly legitimate for Order people to be slavers. Or evil. I can't see why neutral followers of the Order would make a fuss about it.
Also, demanding democracy for people who worship Junil is, well, antithetic. Junil orders and everyone must obey. It's not exactly a democracy, rather the opposite:
"What is your greatest calling?"
"Obediance. Unquestioning obediance".
From chapter 2 of Reflections on the State Cults, by Elder Methyl of the Luonnatar (and FfHpedia)
Crusaders are fanatics who follow orders without questions, not democratic Greeks who elect their leaders and dispute their orders.
Regarding the Dark Fantasy context. I think the arguments about slavery are, indeed out of context coming from the Amurites. For Kuriotates, who are good, it makes sense. But Amurites... I mean, Junil's chief value is obediance. Slaves should obey. It's perfectly legitimate for Order people to be slavers. Or evil. I can't see why neutral followers of the Order would make a fuss about it.
Also, demanding democracy for people who worship Junil is, well, antithetic. Junil orders and everyone must obey. It's not exactly a democracy, rather the opposite:
"What is your greatest calling?"
"Obediance. Unquestioning obediance".
From chapter 2 of Reflections on the State Cults, by Elder Methyl of the Luonnatar (and FfHpedia)
Crusaders are fanatics who follow orders without questions, not democratic Greeks who elect their leaders and dispute their orders.
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OOC:
We are a republic with order influence.
not a order theocracy with representative influence.
Order doesn't set the tone. Republic sets the tone.
We are a republic with order influence.
not a order theocracy with representative influence.
Order doesn't set the tone. Republic sets the tone.
Tyrs
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Rome was a Republic, and Greece was the beginning of democracy. Both countries used slavery. In a developmental status I don't think any of our countries are as advanced as either of those.
Obviously you haven't visited Khazad. We're at least as advanced as those Romans who imitated our Republic system
orangelex44
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Slaves are cheap. Just invade a neighbor, and take your pick.
Seriously, you guys need to learn a little expediency. Not everyone needs to be some crusading knight trying to clean up the world - there hasn't ever been a country that can truly say they've done only good. My Lanun will continue to take spoils of war, and those spoils will include slaves. It's nothing personal, it's just the way that I believe the lore would have me run things.
EDIT: In a completely unrelated note, I've been working on this story for a little while now [see below]. No real reason, but Jopa mentioned once that the Lanun carried influence with most of Erebus' sailors, and I've been thinking on that for a while. I wrote down some of those thoughts, and came up with this.
Seriously, you guys need to learn a little expediency. Not everyone needs to be some crusading knight trying to clean up the world - there hasn't ever been a country that can truly say they've done only good. My Lanun will continue to take spoils of war, and those spoils will include slaves. It's nothing personal, it's just the way that I believe the lore would have me run things.
EDIT: In a completely unrelated note, I've been working on this story for a little while now [see below]. No real reason, but Jopa mentioned once that the Lanun carried influence with most of Erebus' sailors, and I've been thinking on that for a while. I wrote down some of those thoughts, and came up with this.
orangelex44
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Introduction from The Lanun: A Landlubber's Guide
Many people are confused as to what a "Lanun" is. Is it a nation? Or a race?
The Lanun are both of these and neither of these things. Sure, there is a place on the map that is given the Lanun name, but the Lanun would exist without having an single acre to their name. There are also those that who are Lanun, with a specific skin color, body type, speech and accent. However, there are many who claim the title Lanun who do not fit this picture.
So what are the Lanun? They are united in a lifestyle, as no other people on Erebus can claim. Any person, from any country, may become Lanun. There are Lanun elves and dwarves, even a few Lanun orcs. Women, men, children, slaves, freemen, aristocrats, criminals, soldiers, sailors, craftsmen, farmers... any and all of these can be Lanun.
To put it simply, a Lanun is one who loves the sea, and respects it. This respect makes him follow the orders of the great Captains. Anyone who respects the sea must respect those happy few who have learned to command it. Every Lanun desires to gain this command, to learn from those who already have it.
This unique nature of the Lanun means that "colonies" of Lanun exist throughout the coasts of Erebus. There are Lanun living in every major port of every nation, in scattered villages, on most islands, and even along some rivers and lakes. Many of these Lanun will not directly follow the commands of the great Captains, but they all will respect them and hear them if nothing else.
Of course, this leads to problems for the leaders of the nations. Whether or not these Lanun are members of the "true" Lanun nation, they are still influenced by it in ways that are not always obvious. Captains of every nation will often head to ports that the High Captain tells them to; seaside villages will turn a blind eye to Lanun ships passing by; no Lanun sailor is ever truly stranded. Generally, these actions are small and unimportant enough that they are ignored - but the importance that the Lanun have to sailors, fishers, and sea-merchants of all lands cannot be underestimated.
The "true" Lanun people, on the other hand, are a race descended from before the Age of Ice. Their true history has been lost through the ages, but what can be proven is that they took to the seas to survive those dark times. The sea is a fickle mistress, but even in the harshest winter she provides food to the cunning. So we sailed, and prospered as well as any. However, once the Age of Ice ended the Lanun were slower to unite then the other nations. We were dispersed all across the coasts, and most of the Lanun people lived their whole lives in ships. That's part of the reason why the "other" Lanun exist today - we lived anywhere and everywhere, and when we finally settled on land it wasn't just in one place.
Eventually, though, enough of the Lanun people gathered together to form our great nation. We created cities, and prospered on land. We lived free, and over the years our Liberty has gathered many immigrants to the sea. Today, the Lanun nation is a patchwork of many peoples. The "true" Lanun are the majority, but there are sizeable minorities of the other human races, as well as small groups of elves and dwarves. Eventually, all who take to the sea become Lanun. That is our strength.
Many people are confused as to what a "Lanun" is. Is it a nation? Or a race?
The Lanun are both of these and neither of these things. Sure, there is a place on the map that is given the Lanun name, but the Lanun would exist without having an single acre to their name. There are also those that who are Lanun, with a specific skin color, body type, speech and accent. However, there are many who claim the title Lanun who do not fit this picture.
So what are the Lanun? They are united in a lifestyle, as no other people on Erebus can claim. Any person, from any country, may become Lanun. There are Lanun elves and dwarves, even a few Lanun orcs. Women, men, children, slaves, freemen, aristocrats, criminals, soldiers, sailors, craftsmen, farmers... any and all of these can be Lanun.
To put it simply, a Lanun is one who loves the sea, and respects it. This respect makes him follow the orders of the great Captains. Anyone who respects the sea must respect those happy few who have learned to command it. Every Lanun desires to gain this command, to learn from those who already have it.
This unique nature of the Lanun means that "colonies" of Lanun exist throughout the coasts of Erebus. There are Lanun living in every major port of every nation, in scattered villages, on most islands, and even along some rivers and lakes. Many of these Lanun will not directly follow the commands of the great Captains, but they all will respect them and hear them if nothing else.
Of course, this leads to problems for the leaders of the nations. Whether or not these Lanun are members of the "true" Lanun nation, they are still influenced by it in ways that are not always obvious. Captains of every nation will often head to ports that the High Captain tells them to; seaside villages will turn a blind eye to Lanun ships passing by; no Lanun sailor is ever truly stranded. Generally, these actions are small and unimportant enough that they are ignored - but the importance that the Lanun have to sailors, fishers, and sea-merchants of all lands cannot be underestimated.
The "true" Lanun people, on the other hand, are a race descended from before the Age of Ice. Their true history has been lost through the ages, but what can be proven is that they took to the seas to survive those dark times. The sea is a fickle mistress, but even in the harshest winter she provides food to the cunning. So we sailed, and prospered as well as any. However, once the Age of Ice ended the Lanun were slower to unite then the other nations. We were dispersed all across the coasts, and most of the Lanun people lived their whole lives in ships. That's part of the reason why the "other" Lanun exist today - we lived anywhere and everywhere, and when we finally settled on land it wasn't just in one place.
Eventually, though, enough of the Lanun people gathered together to form our great nation. We created cities, and prospered on land. We lived free, and over the years our Liberty has gathered many immigrants to the sea. Today, the Lanun nation is a patchwork of many peoples. The "true" Lanun are the majority, but there are sizeable minorities of the other human races, as well as small groups of elves and dwarves. Eventually, all who take to the sea become Lanun. That is our strength.
Kandros Fir had had a weary day.
People were worried about Balseraphs and orcs in the south, and the war in the north was dragging. The Kuriotates still refused peace and a minority Senators were asking why this war was being waged, saying this was just harming the economy.
"We cannot let these traitorous Balseraphs and their Grigori puppets continue to mock us. They've been plotting and lying for too long, slaughtering our armies when they were resting in our own lands. No true dwarf can ask to stop the fight now when they are crumbling and their capital is burning."
Kandros had managed to silence the old Senator who questionned him, but he didn't expect wht followed.
High on the benches of the Senate, a figure rose. A dwarf of average build, neither tall nor broad, with an ordinary beard. But when he rose, everybody in the Senate turned and looked at him. Not because he was clad in exceptional clothes. Hadn't he worn his ancestral silver armor, Arturus of clan Thorne, heir to the throne of the Underhome, would have drawn attention of all in the same way. His strong voice boomed and echoed in the halls, as the charismatic prince started a long speech:
"It is not enough! Kuriotates must be crushed for their plots, arrogance and the deaths they caused. And the Grigori are even worse! They are godless people, an insult to all gods: Junil, Kilmorph, Lugus, Tali, Aeron... All! Everywhere in the world, the priests protest that this fallen angel has been enslaving his people, certainly brainwashing them to worship him under the pretense of freeing them from the gods.
What are we doing? We should be helping the Grigori break free of this heathen abomination. All the churches everywhere in the world should demand the end of his abominable dominion. Only dark magic of the worst kind can blind a whole people to the gods. What are the priests doing?
Kandros Fir, why aren't you asking your Amurite friends to out an end to this pagan kingdom? They are all Order here and Junil there and do nothing!
It is enough. You must act now, Kandros Fir. Raise armies to finally get rid of the Kuriotates. You haven't built an army, you only brought the small corps who fought orcs to fight a whole nation. Khazad can do much more than that."
"To arms I say!" he boomed, and some pretend that the walls trembled when he shouted this.
"In Hallowell, Riylod, Khazaak, I, Arturus Thorne, Senator, ask all able-bodied dwarves to rise. We must send troops to help our war effort. We must show the Grigori the error of their ways and free them from the ungodly shackles of the fallen angel! It is the duty of all dwarves, all sentient beings on Erebus, to free the Grigori from their masters, the heretic Cassiel and the god king of the Kuriotates!
Enough talking. Now is the time to act!"
In the strangely silent Senate, Arturus Thorne turned and left, leaving Kandros Fir to ponder whether his former friend had been helping him or was leading him into a stance more warlike than he would have liked.
People were worried about Balseraphs and orcs in the south, and the war in the north was dragging. The Kuriotates still refused peace and a minority Senators were asking why this war was being waged, saying this was just harming the economy.
"We cannot let these traitorous Balseraphs and their Grigori puppets continue to mock us. They've been plotting and lying for too long, slaughtering our armies when they were resting in our own lands. No true dwarf can ask to stop the fight now when they are crumbling and their capital is burning."
Kandros had managed to silence the old Senator who questionned him, but he didn't expect wht followed.
High on the benches of the Senate, a figure rose. A dwarf of average build, neither tall nor broad, with an ordinary beard. But when he rose, everybody in the Senate turned and looked at him. Not because he was clad in exceptional clothes. Hadn't he worn his ancestral silver armor, Arturus of clan Thorne, heir to the throne of the Underhome, would have drawn attention of all in the same way. His strong voice boomed and echoed in the halls, as the charismatic prince started a long speech:
"It is not enough! Kuriotates must be crushed for their plots, arrogance and the deaths they caused. And the Grigori are even worse! They are godless people, an insult to all gods: Junil, Kilmorph, Lugus, Tali, Aeron... All! Everywhere in the world, the priests protest that this fallen angel has been enslaving his people, certainly brainwashing them to worship him under the pretense of freeing them from the gods.
What are we doing? We should be helping the Grigori break free of this heathen abomination. All the churches everywhere in the world should demand the end of his abominable dominion. Only dark magic of the worst kind can blind a whole people to the gods. What are the priests doing?
Kandros Fir, why aren't you asking your Amurite friends to out an end to this pagan kingdom? They are all Order here and Junil there and do nothing!
It is enough. You must act now, Kandros Fir. Raise armies to finally get rid of the Kuriotates. You haven't built an army, you only brought the small corps who fought orcs to fight a whole nation. Khazad can do much more than that."
"To arms I say!" he boomed, and some pretend that the walls trembled when he shouted this.
"In Hallowell, Riylod, Khazaak, I, Arturus Thorne, Senator, ask all able-bodied dwarves to rise. We must send troops to help our war effort. We must show the Grigori the error of their ways and free them from the ungodly shackles of the fallen angel! It is the duty of all dwarves, all sentient beings on Erebus, to free the Grigori from their masters, the heretic Cassiel and the god king of the Kuriotates!
Enough talking. Now is the time to act!"
In the strangely silent Senate, Arturus Thorne turned and left, leaving Kandros Fir to ponder whether his former friend had been helping him or was leading him into a stance more warlike than he would have liked.
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Regarding Orders:
Is there any chance that we could all try to get our orders in by friday this week? This way we can get back to the originally proposed schedule. I know that we haven't got our stats, but its not hard to have an idea of where most of us stand (taking into account our own orders and the changes outlined in the update).
Anyway, here's to hoping.
Is there any chance that we could all try to get our orders in by friday this week? This way we can get back to the originally proposed schedule. I know that we haven't got our stats, but its not hard to have an idea of where most of us stand (taking into account our own orders and the changes outlined in the update).
Anyway, here's to hoping.
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ooc: Who I represent as player? Leader? Senate? Council? Advisors? People?
Hm... Whoever rules the country. It may be a king, or a senate.
Though in general strategy games players actually control the 'collective minds of entire government' this is true here only to an extent - your decisions ARE somewhat limited by your government type, culture, etc etc.
(And BTW happy birthday to me!)
Though in general strategy games players actually control the 'collective minds of entire government' this is true here only to an extent - your decisions ARE somewhat limited by your government type, culture, etc etc.
(And BTW happy birthday to me!)
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