Ferguson

[Kaitzilla]

This one seems really bad, all caught on the dashboard camera, had his empty hands up. One of the police is black, as they say "don't let it be a black and a white one, Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top, Black police showin out for the white cop".

From the beeb:

After reading 200+ forum pages about Michael Brown, I'm almost scared to click that link.

The driver had his hands out the whole time and didn't move.
The other guy ignored 50 warnings to not move, not reach for something, not get out of the car, that he was gonna get shot, etc etc.

 

[Labtec600]

Stop playing gangster and you don't get shot.

 

[useless]

Watch as that/the cop(s) get off for essentially killing a man.

How anyone can take American cops seriously is beyond me and this is coming from someone whose own cops are a joke in and off themself.

 

[Leonel]

Stop playing gangster and you don't get shot.

Who was playing gangster?

 

[Traitorfish]

My predictions -

• Riots causing more property damage just "because"
• Neither Holder nor Obama will apologize for their role in fanning the flames
• Morons will continue to point to the shooting in Ferguson as an example of police brutality

So do American conservatives actually believe this stuff or what?

 

[Senethro]

I'm not clear if some Americans are unaware that police forces of other nations are able to keep order even without a body count, or whether they think thats being soft on crime.

 

[bhsup]

Which part of that don't you believe, TF?

More riots? Do you really think there will not be additional riots after yet another not guilty/no proof of wrongdoing proclamation? If so, what makes you think that?

Holder and/or Obama? They certainly didn't apologize for their role in fanning the flames after the November not guilty was announced.

Continuing to use Ferguson as some sort of point to make? That has continued nonstop even after Wilson was found not guilty. Do you think those of that mindset will suddenly stop wrongfully bringing up Michael Brown as an example of police brutality NOW? I cannot see why they would do so when the first not guilty didn't stop them.

That last one, btw, is the one that irks me the most, and frankly imho does the legitimate issue the most harm. Personally, I now stop reading/listen the second someone talking about this issue brings up Michael Brown/Officer Wilson. Here was a police officer who had to take a life to protect his own and for others to try to use that to further their agenda is disgusting, so I just tune them out entirely. Too bad, considering they -might- have said something worthwhile later, but it's moot because they invalidate themselves completely in my eyes the second they bring up Brown.

 

[Traitorfish]

Which part of that don't you believe, TF?

More riots? Do you really think there will not be additional riots after yet another not guilty/no proof of wrongdoing proclamation? If so, what makes you think that?

Holder and/or Obama? They certainly didn't apologize for their role in fanning the flames after the November not guilty was announced.

Continuing to use Ferguson as some sort of point to make? That has continued nonstop even after Wilson was found not guilty. Do you think those of that mindset will suddenly stop wrongfully bringing up Michael Brown as an example of police brutality NOW? I cannot see why they would do so when the first not guilty didn't stop them.

It's all three of these things. They all seem pretty ridiculous, to me, looking into the US from the outside. Blood-thirsty proles and seditious leftists; it reads like something from the 1880s.

 

[useless]

The officers beating rodney king were "not guilty" and cleared, shall we not bring that up as a case of police brutality?

 

[bhsup]

Yeah, when there is factual evidence running contrary to the verdict, you definitely have a point. To my knowledge, useless, there is no videotape of Wilson walking up and executing Brown like there was video of King being beaten ridiculously. In fact, the evidence supports the officer's side of the story. Nice strawman, though.

 

[useless]

Not a strawman, it was an honest question, but i guess you know better than me, the person who typed out the question in the first place.

 

[bhsup]

Okay okay, sorry. That was unfair and I apologize.

The reason why they are not really comparable, though, IS the video tape that clearly shows King getting the crap kicked out of him by a group of cops while he's immobile on the ground. No such thing happened in Ferguson.

This, btw, is why I don't really like comparing cases. As I've said before, every incident is different and should be looked at individually.

 

[Traitorfish]

A failure to convict a person for a crime is not in itself proof of their innocence. Absence of definite proof of Wilson's guilt is not proof of his innocence. That's the point Useless is making.

 

[Hygro]

A failure to convict a person for a crime is not in itself proof of their innocence. Absence of definite proof of Wilson's guilt is not proof of his innocence. That's the point Useless is making.

And to claim him innocent is to take the position that the other guy is certainly guilty.

 

[bhsup]

Eh, he was guilty, of assaulting and trying to kill a cop. Just because there was no trial to say "guilty" doesn't mean he wasn't guilty of that. The facts speak for themselves. It's not all about the verdict, it is about the facts surrounding the incident, and anyone looking at them and coming away with any view other than Officer Wilson defending himself is... well I don't know what. Probably have some deep seated anti-cop neurosis or something.

 

[Senethro]

Just because there was no trial to say "guilty" doesn't mean he wasn't guilty of that.

oh well case closed tehn

 

[bhsup]

Prepare for godwin. Was Hitler guilty of atrocities? He had no trial, after all.

 

[JollyRoger]

Are you calling the cop Hitler?

 

[gay_Aleks]

And even more, are you calling the cops Gestapo?

 

[Zkribbler]

The facts speak for themselves.

Agreed. There is no physical evidence that Brown went for Wilson's gun. It was Wilson who slammed his car door into Brown; it was Wilson who pulled Brown inside his car; it was Wilson who had his hand on the handle of the gun, who pulled the gun, and who had his finger on the trigger; it was Wilson who fired the first two shots inside the car; it was Brown's flesh that was found on the barrel of the gun, not the handle, indicating it was Brown who was trying to prevent himself from being shot; it was Brown who tied to run away; it was Wilson who chased him.

Conclusion: It was Wilson who instigated the incident which spiraled out of control.