Ferguson

At this point a white cop could literally stab a black baby to death, on tv, in front of the president and the entire supreme court and get off with it
 
useless said:
At this point a white cop could literally stab a black baby to death, on tv, in front of the president and the entire supreme court and get off with it
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Are you just trolling right now, or have you really gone that insane to believe things are that bad?
 
Commodore said:
Are you just trolling right now, or have you really gone that insane to believe things are that bad?
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The hyperbole was wild...but who are you going to get to prosecute the case? There are more than plenty of good answers, but I wouldn't trust it to McCollugh.
 
Ah. But could the white cop fry the dead black baby up in chili sauce and eat it, on live TV, and STILL escape prosecution, eh?

I think that's the real question that needs answering here.
 
Borachio said:
Ah. But could the white cop fry the dead black baby up in chili sauce and eat it on live TV, eh?

I think that's the real question that needs answering here.
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If he felt threatened, he probably could
 
useless said:
There's a thing called Hyperbole.
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Oh I understand hyperbole just fine, it's just a lot of your posts over the past couple months would give someone the impression you really do feel that way. Take from that what you will.

And why use hyperbole in this particular discussion in the first place? How does that possibly advance the discussion at all?
 
Commodore said:
Oh I understand hyperbole just fine, it's just a lot of your posts over the past couple months would give someone the impression you really do feel that way. Take from that what you will.

And why use hyperbole in this particular discussion in the first place? How does that possibly advance the discussion at all?
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I guess im just frustrated that there could still be people who don't understand that policing is a two tier system dependent on your race. Hell, it's the same over here in britain.
 
Commodore said:
Oh I understand hyperbole just fine, it's just a lot of your posts over the past couple months would give someone the impression you really do feel that way. Take from that what you will.

And why use hyperbole in this particular discussion in the first place? How does that possibly advance the discussion at all?
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It seeks for limits.

Useless presented a 'case' of outright indefensible wrong. I mean, it enters into the kind of 'torturing a hundred people' territory where even MobBoss might agree the cop should lose his pension. So it can be used to examine questions that the rest of the cop apologists won't otherwise face.

Would you entrust this prosecution to the St Louis county prosecutor? Do you think with his oh fer record prosecuting cops and his open statements on cops and prosecution, that people being doubtful would be justified? There are a lot of people looking at him as 'well, that was dirty but the result seems accurate enough'...but do you trust him with another chance to play it that way when the result is really obviously something he won't want to pursue?

Okay, so back off the hyperbole. St Louis county is a volatile place. There are going to be conflicts between cops and citizens. Some of those cases will involve cops shooting people. Who is going to investigate them? Who is going to prosecute them?
 
useless said:
At this point a white cop could literally stab a black baby to death, on tv, in front of the president and the entire supreme court and get off with it
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Well, for what it's worth, I don't think Michael Brown was a "baby". He was 18 years old and evidently had a record of bad behavior spanning back through his childhood. He was apparently scuffling at some point with the officer and probably went for the gun. Those are things you just don't do.

It could be that Brown was mentally ill. As someone who was diagnosed myself at age 25 I can certainly understand the tragedy here. Judging from interviews I've seen on Youtube, the officer who shot him seems maybe to have been an honorable young man trying to do his duty to serve his community who got caught in a bad "knee jerk" situation.

In conclusion; from what little I've seen so far the Grand Jury maybe made a prudent decision.

I don't think a normal police officer could (nor would) stab a black baby on TV in front of the President and not be prosecuted. The young police officer's career has been nipped in the bud, as he resigned his position. I would think finding another similar opportunity to serve his community might be a little difficult unless he joins fire-rescue or some community outreach program-given his experience.

To prevent something like this from happening in the future I would think more funding should go into helping the mentally ill in local communities (especially for the poor) in early diagnosis and treatment, because I really do suspect that Brown probably was mentally ill given the inappropriate behavior.

From my own experience of mental illness there is just not a lot of help out there for us unless we can get private health care, which is expensive for those of us who have a hard time keeping a normal job. I live in the Orlando, Florida area and, even here, there is only one relatively poorly funded community sponsored treatment center (called Lakeside Alternatives) where the poor can go for help.
 
Gary Childress said:
Well, for what it's worth, I don't think Michael Brown was a "baby". He was 18 years old and evidently had a record of bad behavior spanning back through his childhood. He was apparently scuffling at some point with the officer and probably went for the gun. Those are things you just don't do.

It could be that Brown was mentally ill. As someone who was diagnosed myself at age 25 I can certainly understand the tragedy here. Judging from interviews I've seen on Youtube, the officer who shot him seems maybe to have been an honorable young man trying to do his duty to serve his community who got caught in a bad "knee jerk" situation.

In conclusion; from what little I've seen so far the Grand Jury maybe made a prudent decision.
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that knee jerk situation resulted in the death of someone, wouldn't the prudent thing to do, be let him runaway and then investigate who he was (there has been a lot of focus on investigation in these threads) and then arrest him with twenty cops at dawn some sunday morning, it would be far cheaper than what has happened and there would actually be a trail to examine the matter, instead you have just said that knee jerk reactions are a prudent decision according to the grand jury


what would have been his punishment if he had been charged with assulting a police officer and running away .... not the death penalty, that much I'm sure of

I still think it is just bad training in community policing and what that aims to achive
 
"Mommy, I want to be a cop so I can kill people and not have to worry about the law!"
 
useless said:
Of course you think it's silly Mobboss, you're a white man, you don't have to worry about police killing you because you are black. I know this is obvious to everyone else, but apparently it isn't to you.
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Protip: If you haven't heard, cops kill white men too. :rolleyes:

I don't have to worry about the cops killing me because I sure as hell don't ever put myself in a position to be shot by the cops.

I don't break the law. I listen and comply when cops ask me things. I don't go off on them half-cocked, punch them and make a play for their weapon.

Etc. etc. etc.

Seriously, your oh-so-ignorant-self-righteous comment right there is precisely the root of the current problem.

End of story.

tetley said:
NEWS: no indictment in the New York white-cop-on-black-man choking death case.

Act shocked, everybody.
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How soon before we see 'Hands Up, Don't Choke' t-shirts go on sale?
 
useless said:
I guess im just frustrated that there could still be people who don't understand that policing is a two tier system dependent on your race. Hell, it's the same over here in britain.
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One big issue is that it clearly was not two tiered in Ferguson. If race played a part it was because Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson because he was white. His attack forced the entire incident.

J
 
Smote said:
Actually, the real topic would be a diseased heart at one podium and an empty one. Why? Because heart disease is the number one killer of blacks.

Remember, this is about racism, so let's talk about how black people die.

/sarcasm
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An interesting mix of topics.

Does a police chokehold that triggers a heart attack count as heart disease death or death by cop?

From August 2nd:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/justice/new-york-choke-hold-death/
(CNN) -- The New York City medical examiner's office Friday confirmed what demonstrators had been saying for weeks: A police officer's choke hold on a man being arrested for selling loose cigarettes killed him.

Eric Garner, 43, died July 17 after being confronted by police on Staten Island for allegedly selling cigarettes illegally.

During the encounter, Garner raised both hands in the air and told the officers not to touch him. Seconds later, a video shows an officer behind him grab the 350-pound man in a choke hold and pull him to the sidewalk, rolling him onto his stomach.

"I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" Garner said repeatedly, his cries muffled into the pavement.

The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," said Julie Bolcer, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. The death was ruled a homicide.

Acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease were listed as contributing conditions in a controversial death that sparked anti-police demonstrations and calls for a federal investigation.
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Medical examiner spokeswoman said it was the police chokehold that did him in. :hmm:
Maybe it wasn't a heart attack at all, but an asthma attack at the worst possible time?

Well, it all over now. Not gonna be any trial.
 
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