Ferguson

[Commodore]

Meanwhile there have been legitimate incidents of police brutality and misconduct which seem to have gone unnoticed by media and protesters. I saw a case a while back of a couple officers who pulled over a teen for something, pulled him out of the car and started to smash his head against the pavement for no apparent reason. The officers WERE CHARGED with conspiracy and punished if I recall correctly. Where is the outrage over that? Instead all the outrage seems to be centered around a rather ambiguous case like that of Michael Brown.

You won't hear about cases like that in the media because it doesn't suit the agenda they are trying to push. The fact that the officers in the incident you describe were both charged and punished flies in the face of the claim currently being touted in the media that police never face consequences for any wrongdoing they may commit.

 

[hangman]

You won't hear about cases like that in the media because it doesn't suit the agenda they are trying to push.

And what agenda might that be? I find that most articles are quite deferential to police. The Berkeley/Oakland protest coverage was particularly uncritical of police actions there, and left out numerous details from eyewitnesses.

The fact that the officers in the incident you describe were both charged and punished flies in the face of the claim currently being touted in the media that police never face consequences for any wrongdoing they may commit.

I read somewhere that the probability of an officer being convicted of a crime after killing someone (for whatever reason) is about 1%. That shouldn't be surprising; essentially all the police crimes I'd heard of in my hometown resulted in paid vacations and little else.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I think a big part of it is media coverage. People cant really grasp real context if they are seeing it fairly regularly...they will simply think it occurs far more often that it really does.

Kinda like the idiots that latch onto one cop in a million dying on the job and leap to repeat that "they have a dangerous job and put their lives on the line every day" garbage, eh?

 

[bhsup]

No, that's not garbage. You know what is garbage? Garbage is a town collectively rising up in protest wanting a pound of flesh from a cop doing his job. Garbage is a town collectively and intentionally lying by putting forth blatantly false lies like "gentle giant" and "hands up, don't shoot" in an effort to get their pound of flesh from a cop doing his job. Garbage is the media and federalies being complicit in those falsehoods.

 

[Traitorfish]

No, that's not garbage. You know what is garbage? Garbage is a town collectively rising up in protest wanting a pound of flesh from a cop doing his job.

I'm not sure that's the exact expression you're after, given its origin.

"If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction."

 

[bhsup]

And gay only means happy and rubbers only refer to winter galoshes.

 

[Berzerker]

Cleveland police want apology from Browns cuz a player - Andrew Hawkins - wore a warm up t-shirt with "justice for Tamir Rice and John Crawford"

and it looks to me like the cops weren't truthful in both cases, Crawford was the 22 year old walking around the walmart with an airgun he was buying when cops ran in and shot him - they claimed he didn't drop the gun when told.

He dropped it before the kill shot, the shooter was damn near standing on it as he was trying to dodge cops on 2 aisles coming at him and they blew him away.

Some cop named Follmer (?) who was demanding an apology said both shootings were justified

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No, that's not garbage. You know what is garbage? Garbage is a town collectively rising up in protest wanting a pound of flesh from a cop doing his job. Garbage is a town collectively and intentionally lying by putting forth blatantly false lies like "gentle giant" and "hands up, don't shoot" in an effort to get their pound of flesh from a cop doing his job. Garbage is the media and federalies being complicit in those falsehoods.

Garbage is what garbagemen, who have a much more dangerous job, collect.

I was just pointing out that overstating something because a rare event gets a lot of attention cuts both ways.

By the way, since the media does cut both ways and most people won't actually take an action no matter what, much less at a little prompting from the media...how do you suppose the people of that town came to hate their police department so much?

 

[Traitorfish]

And gay only means happy and rubbers only refer to winter galoshes.

Well, there's a difference between homonyms and literary allusions. In the former, the meanings are separate and distinct, in the latter, they all exist at once. You alluded to Shylock's pound of flesh to suggest a cruel and spiteful demand, but it's interesting that the term refers, at the same time, to the last resort of an abused ethnic minority. It's ironic, if nothing else, and perhaps worth considering as an example of how a demand can appear much less or much more sympathetic depending on how we choose to frame it.

 

[Flying Pig]

Not to mention that the line TF posted is Shylock explaining, in a few more words, that the Christians are outraged to find a Jew using his moment of power exactly as they constantly use theirs.

 

[Borachio]

Ah. You can have your pound of flesh alright, according to contract. But not a single drop of blood with it.

 

[tetley]

From what I have seen, the media is taking the criticism of "one-sided coverage" to heart, and there are stories both of police brutality and of good cops giving Christmas presents, rescuing people, etc.. Unfortunately, now the U.S. media outlets are all "cop this", "cop that".

 

[hangman]

No, that's not garbage. You know what is garbage? Garbage is a town collectively rising up in protest wanting a pound of flesh from a cop doing his job. Garbage is a town collectively and intentionally lying by putting forth blatantly false lies like "gentle giant" and "hands up, don't shoot" in an effort to get their pound of flesh from a cop doing his job. Garbage is the media and federalies being complicit in those falsehoods.

i.e., Police are by definition the good guys, so by moral fiat, we must blame all their victims, righteous indignation be damned.

 

[bhsup]

Yes, that is exactly what I said. You got me.

Might I suggest a course at your local learning annex in reading comprehension?

 

[hangman]

Snark is not a rebuttal, so I don't know what you expect me to say.

 

[bhsup]

Nor is there a rebuttal in saying something that is not in any way, shape, or form what I said and claiming it to be a paraphrasing of what I said. I don't expect you to say anything further, don't worry.

 

[Traitorfish]

Why is it acceptable for you unveil the "true" meaning of the protesters' demands, but not acceptable for Hangman to present the "true" meaning of your post? That strikes me as a double standard. Can't deal out critical interpretations and claim exemption from critically interpretation in turn.

 

[bhsup]

There is no double standard, TF. And there was also nothing to interpret from my post to suggest I was making a blanket statement about "cops" in the plural. I wrote of the injustice of the vitriol and false accusations leveled against a cop (singular) in one instance. Hangman immediately, like Tim is prone to do, comes back with "cops" as though things that have happened previously have any bearing at all on this one situation. They do not. They clearly would have if the cop had just decided to execute some random black guy, but that is not at all what happened and everybody knows it. Man tries to kill cop, cop kills man, man's mother speaks before UN. What the hell?

But no, I remark on this and people jump to a stupid conclusion that I think cops do no wrong blah blah blah. There is no reason to make that assumption, but it happens. Mobby gets this as well and it's bullcrap. Yeah, I guess I think cops do no wrong, which is why I commented about that NYC case the way I did.

 

[Traitorfish]

Contest the interpretation, by all means, I imagine the protesters would claim the right to contest your characterisation of their demands, but in post 934 you seem to be objecting to the fact that your post was put up to critical interpretation, that Hangman was reading it in ways you had not intended, and that isn't reasonable so long as you chose to read the demands of the protesters in ways they didn't intend.

 

[bhsup]

I am not "choosing" to read the demands incorrectly any more than I am "choosing" to accept the existence of the oort cloud. Neither are 100% proven, but enough evidence exists to reasonable claim "fact" on both.

EDIT: And again, regarding hangman, his "interpretation" was no more relevant to what I had actually said than if he had replied with "so you think red ants can beat black ants?" IT had absolutely nothing to do with my comment. He was going of an an irrelevant tangent about past issues the population has with cops (plural) and I have stated all along that this is about one cop (singular) and that is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by the protests and riots not flaring up again until after the grand jury on this one cop (singular) released its judgement.