2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Absolutely the same thing I think. And just to be sure, I asked MZ and he said he is totally OK to tell Uciv he is in the plot.
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Absolutely the same thing I think. And just to be sure, I asked MZ and he said he is totally OK to tell Uciv he is in the plot.
YossarianLives
Deity
Well, we should get something back to UCiv, if not by chat then through email. 2metra said we were talking about it and would get back to them with answers shortly. Here's a start for a reply:
Hi Yuufo / UCiv,
Yes, we've been working with RB's other neighbors, Apolyton and CivPlayers. We all have NAP's with RB expiring in the next 10-15 turns. We are trying to coordinate to have the best effect in giving the other teams a chance to catch up to the runaway leader.
If you join us, we are definitely ready to give you a favorable border deal, including the Deer city in former Zulu lands. We're open to talking about other compensation. What do you have in mind for WPC? We've been in talks with them about getting some of their leftover troops to use against RB.
We would be happy to sign a NAP with you to T250. If you join us in this, you will be our favorite team.
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
Maybe a winky face. Other than that, no real complaints.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
I think we should not tell Uciv we will get units from WPC (if at all possible to get those, ot4e told me that Germans are attacking WPC with all forces and WPC are attacking Germans in the same time with - quote: "ridiculous stack of 3 cata, 2 spears, 1 sword, dog").
Maybe we should just replace the last sentence about getting units with: "We though you are in a good relations and have NAP with them."
Other than that, I can send it immediately, Yuufo is online in gmail.
Maybe we should just replace the last sentence about getting units with: "We though you are in a good relations and have NAP with them."
Other than that, I can send it immediately, Yuufo is online in gmail.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
I had put few other minor things in it reading the exact wording of their last message and had sent it.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
I will send them reminder. We need answer soon.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Interesting, interesting. What is their problem with sending couple of chariots just to be around in case we have the chance? Small chance, all dependant on RB, but it is still a chance. If RB move a spear, they do nothing. End of story. If they have their 2 chariots in position and RB still keeps only this axe there, they launch the attack. What is to lose? They want to be friends with us, possibly getting the deer spot, but still not committing to declare war to RB and do actual harm to them?
They offer t250 NAP. Which is good. We dont have free hands to deal with them too, but this will mean they are free to take over weak WPC at their leisure? WPC and Uciv have NAP till t200 I think. After this? We fight RB, while Uciv conquer WPC? How convenient
One possible option is we take the NAP with Uciv, but not give NAP to WPC? We are still not confirmed If WPC will be cannon fodder and easy prey, why would we constrain ourselves? Yes, they were good friends till now, but they fail constantly. They said they will get land from Germans, thus denying it to RB and only because of this they join RB in the war. But if they stayed out, this would have been 10 times better for us, as Germans would had concentrated on RB and RB would have been still deep in German lands and not 1 turn from eliminating them and having ALL the German land. 
WPC told us they will give us army left over. Which left-over? They lost like 40-50 units already. They will send us 2 dogsoldiers and say: here, take our left-overs?WPC have made themselves outsiders and non-competitors. Do you think RB will move a finger to protect such friends? Uciv will rip WPC alive and we will just watch if we have NAP with WPC. This thing needs to be thought more, but now NAP with WPC does not sounds as great idea, where NAP with Uciv does so.
Yes it seems clear that they just want a NAP without taking any risk... So can we accept the NAP, whip the settler and take the deer spot? That way we deny them the Deer spot, but we get a secure border at least.
YossarianLives
Deity
The way they word it, I almost think they are saying they're willing to throw more units at RB to minimize risk and ensure a kill. I think we should go on this assumption in our reply to them. Something like, "We're glad you want to join our side. What did you have in mind? Add some HA's to the mix to make sure you can take the city?"
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
For now, as I see it, we dont really need to hurry and accept the t250 NAP. We still have NAP with Uciv till t200 I think, which is ~ 40 turns. However, it might help motivating them helping us if they have long NAP with us. T250 sounds like tanks/bombers to me...
We must ask them what they mean by "too risky" plan. Is it they want to be better prepared to get the job done, or they are afraid to declare war to RB while we all have not.
We must ask them what they mean by "too risky" plan. Is it they want to be better prepared to get the job done, or they are afraid to declare war to RB while we all have not.
vranasm
Deity
just don't forget there is another ticking timer which is T175 (our RB NAP ends)
I have no doubts that RB will reinforce the city t175 latest... and since they already ended the war...it can be much sooner...
they can use some turns to heal stack and then redistribute forces for HR happy
I have no doubts that RB will reinforce the city t175 latest... and since they already ended the war...it can be much sooner...
they can use some turns to heal stack and then redistribute forces for HR happy
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Yes, time is of an essence. If Uciv was sent until now just 2 chariots.. they could had razed that bloody city in each of the last 10 turns.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
I want to send them this:
"Dear Uciv,
Is there anything that stops you from trying to raze the RB GT city beside the chances of success? We know it is a matter of moving a single spear in this city to ruin our common plans, but if they move more defenders, we just call off the attack. What is to be lost in trying? If you are afraid we ask you to declare war and get the anger of nation number 1 alone, it is not the case. We can give you hint that at t170 RB will be facing 2 - front war with determined enemies. Maybe you have figured this out for yourself already looking at the amount of drafts and whips in the game lately. So it is not going to happen that you are left alone to fight RB. If this was what stopped you from starting our plan for razing RB's GT city, then you have not what to worry for and maybe we still have time to make this happen.
Otherwise, can you specify what you have in mind when you tell us that you will join us against RB? Is it that you will make army and send it along our armies or you will keep embargo on RB or you will help us with financial and intelligence help or all of this list?
2metraninja on behalf of Team CFC"
"Dear Uciv,
Is there anything that stops you from trying to raze the RB GT city beside the chances of success? We know it is a matter of moving a single spear in this city to ruin our common plans, but if they move more defenders, we just call off the attack. What is to be lost in trying? If you are afraid we ask you to declare war and get the anger of nation number 1 alone, it is not the case. We can give you hint that at t170 RB will be facing 2 - front war with determined enemies. Maybe you have figured this out for yourself already looking at the amount of drafts and whips in the game lately. So it is not going to happen that you are left alone to fight RB. If this was what stopped you from starting our plan for razing RB's GT city, then you have not what to worry for and maybe we still have time to make this happen.
Otherwise, can you specify what you have in mind when you tell us that you will join us against RB? Is it that you will make army and send it along our armies or you will keep embargo on RB or you will help us with financial and intelligence help or all of this list?
2metraninja on behalf of Team CFC"
Bowsling
Deity
YossarianLives
Deity
Yeah, maybe just add in a quick line about how we're ok with the NAP extension as part of the overall deal we're still working out.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
I think t250 is a lot of time. We have 37 more turns of NAP with Uciv right now. 87 turns of NAP is a lot. Lets see how the game develops and then speak about signing such long and binding NAPs.
You notice that RB has once again suggested that we go after UCiv... This time they want us and Poly to "carve UCiv up" 
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
We will, of course. Later.
YossarianLives
Deity
We can settle the Deer spot this turn. We've promised the spot to UCiv if they burn the RB city, but right now it looks pretty definitive that they won't do that, so do we go ahead and settle our city?
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Sent this:
Lets see if they say something. They in fact said that they wont raze the GT city, so we can settle whatever we want. If they come and say: "ok, we thought a lot and decide we will do it, lets see how you show your gratitude to us." this is whole new deal and I am sure we can work something out. For my understanding even letting them being counted as "Nation winner" in the war is good enough. Mean they wont be victims of the victors dealing with the collaborationists. Whoever is not with us is against us. If we slave down 2/3 of our population just to kill RB to not let them run away with the game and give chance to anyone else to win the game, how fair will be Uciv and CivFR to have the comfort to tech and build while we devastate our economies in war, just to be badly outteched few 10s of turns later and being conquered by our advanced enemies or them being on their road to Space Ships?
No way. War is risky and costly endeavor. We deserve all the prizes and we must take them while we can.
Lets see if they say something. They in fact said that they wont raze the GT city, so we can settle whatever we want. If they come and say: "ok, we thought a lot and decide we will do it, lets see how you show your gratitude to us." this is whole new deal and I am sure we can work something out. For my understanding even letting them being counted as "Nation winner" in the war is good enough. Mean they wont be victims of the victors dealing with the collaborationists. Whoever is not with us is against us. If we slave down 2/3 of our population just to kill RB to not let them run away with the game and give chance to anyone else to win the game, how fair will be Uciv and CivFR to have the comfort to tech and build while we devastate our economies in war, just to be badly outteched few 10s of turns later and being conquered by our advanced enemies or them being on their road to Space Ships?
No way. War is risky and costly endeavor. We deserve all the prizes and we must take them while we can.
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