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Time was when exposing espionage operations like that would be curtains for your career, if not for you too.
 
Samson said:
John Bolton admits to planning foreign coups

John Bolton, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations and ex-White House national security adviser, has admitted in an interview he had helped plan coups in foreign countries.

Speaking to CNN anchor Jake Tapper, however, Bolton suggested Trump was not competent enough to pull off a “carefully planned coup d’etat”, later adding: “As somebody who has helped plan coups d’etat – not here but, you know, [in] other places – it takes a lot of work. And that’s not what he [Trump] did.”

Tapper asked Bolton which attempts he was referring to.

“I’m not going to get into the specifics,” Bolton said, before mentioning Venezuela. “It turned out not to be successful. Not that we had all that much to do with it but I saw what it took for an opposition to try and overturn an illegally elected president and they failed,” he said.

“I feel like there’s other stuff you’re not telling me [beyond Venezuela],” the CNN anchor said, prompting a reply from Bolton: “I’m sure there is.”

Many foreign policy experts have over the years criticised Washington’s history of interventions in other countries, from its role in the 1953 overthrow of then-Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh and the Vietnam war, to its invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan this century.

But it is highly unusual for US officials to openly acknowledge their roles in stoking unrest in foreign countries.​
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Trump did not actually attempt a coup because John Bolton is a true expert and it just didn't happen.

Well, ok then. (*New raging international diplomatic crisis, start! :cringe::cringe::nono:)
 
It's exactly like how in that episode of the Simpsons Bart and Lisa trick Sideshow Bob into confessing publicly that he rigged the mayoral election by saying that he was just a patsy of the Rush Limbaugh expy.
 
I was having a conversation the other day about whether people who spew nonsense about the 2020 election being stolen, and who maybe participated in the January 6th fiasco actually believe what they're saying, and whether the people who listen to those folks believe what they say. Then today I'm reading about this former County Clerk in Colorado who's been arrested for copying the hard drive of a voting machine and posting passwords for voting machines to social media. She and two of her deputies are being charged with, variously, attempting to influence a public servant, criminal impersonation, conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation, identity theft, first-degree official misconduct, violation of duty and failing to comply with the secretary of state. This same woman ran in the Republican primary for the next Colorado Secretary of State, but lost. But before that, she was evidently well-known as a 2020 election conspiracy theorist.

One big risk to all of this garbage that people throw around is that it can make people think, "If they're gonna be underhanded about it, then I should be too." So the people who mistakenly believe the other side cheated accidentally end up being the ones who cheat. Or maybe it's not so accidental. We can never know unless they come right out and admit it, but I always suspect that at least some of the people spouting nonsense know that it's nonsense, but want to create a "Well, they started it..." situation for themselves, to justify the unethical or illegal thing they've wanted to do all along.
 
EgonSpengler said:
I was having a conversation the other day about whether people who spew nonsense about the 2020 election being stolen, and who maybe participated in the January 6th fiasco actually believe what they're saying, and whether the people who listen to those folks believe what they say. Then today I'm reading about this former County Clerk in Colorado who's been arrested for copying the hard drive of a voting machine and posting passwords for voting machines to social media. She and two of her deputies are being charged with, variously, attempting to influence a public servant, criminal impersonation, conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation, identity theft, first-degree official misconduct, violation of duty and failing to comply with the secretary of state. This same woman ran in the Republican primary for the next Colorado Secretary of State, but lost. But before that, she was evidently well-known as a 2020 election conspiracy theorist.

One big risk to all of this garbage that people throw around is that it can make people think, "If they're gonna be underhanded about it, then I should be too." So the people who mistakenly believe the other side cheated accidentally end up being the ones who cheat. Or maybe it's not so accidental. We can never know unless they come right out and admit it, but I always suspect that at least some of the people spouting nonsense know that it's nonsense, but want to create a "Well, they started it..." situation for themselves, to justify the unethical or illegal thing they've wanted to do all along.
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We saw time and time again Trump and his deputies constantly project their own malintent and misconduct onto opponents. It was almost comical how often Trump would accuse someone of something and it then later turn out that he was actually the one doing exactly what he accused someone else of doing.
 
Republican revenge

www.cnn.com

House GOP plots investigative revenge on January 6 panel

House Republicans are plotting revenge on the select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection, as the GOP weighs a broader effort to re-litigate some of Donald Trump's biggest election grievances if it recaptures the House majority.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
I'd hazard the guess that Musk isn't betting on the dem party currently:

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Crack and honkers? What’s a honker? A noisy duck?

Musk to me is such a sadsack. Two hundred billion dollars and his fragile ego rests on posting memes? Hope the SEC guys get after him.
 
It will be hilarious if the Chancery Court orders Elongated Muskrat sold into slavery or something
 
Rg339 said:
Elon is Kim Kardashian for people who care about economics or futurist stuff
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I think he is the republican version of what Elizabeth Holmes was for the democratic party. I also suppose that neither ever honestly supported either party, but liked the publicity/promotion (in Holmes' case, by Bill Clinton and Joe Biden).

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Biden visited Holmes in 2015, 7 years ago, and long prior to the WSJ article revealing the possibility of fraud.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Oh well, Elon can still buy Truth Social Network.
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I now suspect that Musk never really intended to buy Twitter in the first place and the whole thing was just a publicity stunt and/or prank because he's bored.
 
Sommerswerd said:
I now suspect that Musk never really intended to buy Twitter in the first place and the whole thing was just a publicity stunt and/or prank because he's bored.
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More like so he could liquidate some Tesla stock without lowering the price too much
 
If he had so careful a plan, he wouldn't offer to buy Twitter at a price very much above the going rate for it.
Signs tend to tell a story of recklessness, and it wouldn't be the first time for Musk.
 
Now I hear there won't be some climate action laws passed because one Dem. Senator says so, which tips the 50/50 balance.
 
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