Do you know any handy "ancient astronaut" enthusiasts to ask?
Genesis and Other Creation Myths
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Do you know any handy "ancient astronaut" enthusiasts to ask?
If you are going to argue that it contains the scientifically accurate creation narrative, I'll gladly take you up on it.
From the response so far there aren't any threads mocking Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other belief that someone can link to.
Don't get me wrong, am all for looking for flaws in beliefs, but using the Alinsky 'Rules for Radicals' isn't studying the subject to demonstrate it's weaknesses, it's just 'Mockery' meant to silence.
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Well, if someone made a thread about the Quran half of the posts would be stuff like: "Oh, you disagree with the OP, how typical, people are hating on Muslims again!". Sticking to the bible circumvents that and lets us focus on having fun.
First of all, nobody here is mocking a religion. What I am mocking is a particular interpretation of one aspect of Christianity.
And no, you don't get to play persecuted party by virtue of being the dominant religion in the places most of our posters come from. Christianity is singled out because other religions are irrelevant in the typical public conversation about creation myth vs. scientific theory. My previous post was meant to point that out: nobody's even here willing to defend the position you're implying is ignored because of bias or political correctness, so why make a thread?
You can't have it both ways: if you want the spotlight, you got to take the criticism.
Lastly, the point of this is criticizing the presentation of religious myths as scientific facts, not the religion itself. As this is a general principle, it of course also applies to Islamic myths, which are not even all that different as Arakhor points out. Consider it hereby implicitly criticized as well.
And no, you don't get to play persecuted party by virtue of being the dominant religion in the places most of our posters come from. Christianity is singled out because other religions are irrelevant in the typical public conversation about creation myth vs. scientific theory. My previous post was meant to point that out: nobody's even here willing to defend the position you're implying is ignored because of bias or political correctness, so why make a thread?
You can't have it both ways: if you want the spotlight, you got to take the criticism.
Lastly, the point of this is criticizing the presentation of religious myths as scientific facts, not the religion itself. As this is a general principle, it of course also applies to Islamic myths, which are not even all that different as Arakhor points out. Consider it hereby implicitly criticized as well.
onejayhawk
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No. Just no.
The title assumes that the Genesis story is a myth. Mocking Genesis is the entire point of the discussion.
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warpus
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Isn't the Genesis story a myth, one of very many creation myths out there? Why would we assume it isn't?
It is a myth:
So what? Saying that something is wrong isn't mockery. It's the basis of discussion, which is what we do around here. I wouldn't have thought you were so thin skinned. What do you want, a trigger warning? If you disagree, just come here and say so.
Myth can be used as a neutral term and in that context is completely fitting. It can also have the connotation that the narrative in question is wrong:wiktionary said:
Which is indeed the subject of this thread.wiktionary said:
So what? Saying that something is wrong isn't mockery. It's the basis of discussion, which is what we do around here. I wouldn't have thought you were so thin skinned. What do you want, a trigger warning? If you disagree, just come here and say so.
Yes, that's effectively what I post here http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=14076791&postcount=6
So?
zxcvbob
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Genesis is the oral history (prehistory?) of the Jewish people, as written down by Moses. The first 10 or so chapters (up to The Flood) are written in the literary style of a creation myth. When you get to about Abraham, it changes to written history and you start getting more details. [I am not an expert, these are my opinions; I do think they are close to accurate]
Some of it might be literal, some is not, but I think it's all true. Remember it is written from the perspective of someone living 4000 years ago who didn't speak English. The fun part is finding the truth and figuring out what it means.
What about it?Where are Islamic myths brought in. What about the 'Night Journey'?
If you don't take the creation myth literally, then why do you feel addressed by this thread?
warpus
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I was responding to onejayhawk, who was questioning the terming of this particular creation myth as a myth.
A creation myth is a myth, makes sense to me.
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A lot of fun actually. I could go on a rant and mock religion for 6 days and 6 nights straight, and on day 7 I would mock it some more just for the hell of it - because I do not need to rest.
But as others have already said, no religion has been mocked here. What is being "mocked" is a creation myth, and even then "mocked" is quite a hard word as nobody is saying stuff like: "That's obviously nonsense, only idiots would believe that!". Instead people poke holes in it by asking humorous questions and seeing if people who think that the myth matches up with reality can actually patch those holes in a way that makes sense.
It's seems to be part of a theme 'Mock Christianity, defend all other faiths.'
Since it's already mentioned, what do you think of the 'Night Journey'?
warpus
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That you think that a creation myth is in part true doesn't affect its status as a creation myth.
I mean, if that's the qualifier we were using, all creation myths in existence would cease to be myths. But it makes sense for us to qualify them as creation myths, so..
Have you checked into the Hindu creation mythsA lot of fun actually. I could go on a rant and mock religion for 6 days and 6 nights straight, and on day 7 I would mock it some more just for the hell of it - because I do not need to rest.
But as others have already said, no religion has been mocked here. What is being "mocked" is a creation myth, and even then "mocked" is quite a hard word as nobody is saying stuff like: "That's obviously nonsense, only idiots would believe that!". Instead people poke holes in it by asking humorous questions and seeing if people who think that the myth matches up with reality can actually patch those holes in a way that makes sense.
Link to video.
You should be able to have a lot of fun mocking Hinduism.
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Yes, I actually know the rough outlines. It makes a lot of sense and I agree with every word of it.
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