GR28 - AWM vs 30 civs, Pangea
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We're working on the FP in Dalandzadgad because we wanted to keep it going somewhere when Ulaan switched to the HE, but it's such a slow build that we aren't very likely to complete it there. Probably we'll end up rushing the FP or building it in a stronger town. The problem is that we have just enough shields accumulated in Dal that switching to a barracks would involve some waste, so we might as well keep the build going for now, since our better towns have to concentrate on military units anyway. Perhaps we'll switch to a courthouse there after your round.
Bear in mind that you can shuffle more units towards the danger zone before hitting Enter--Hovd's two units moved into Tie-Dye Frenzy, one of Ulaan's units moved into Hovd, etc.
Bear in mind that you can shuffle more units towards the danger zone before hitting Enter--Hovd's two units moved into Tie-Dye Frenzy, one of Ulaan's units moved into Hovd, etc.
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The one break we've gotten here is that there doesn't seem to be a lot of iron around. We haven't seen Immortals from the Persians or Gallics from the Celts.
The Sumerians seem to have plenty of iron on the other hand. 
I've finished my first three turns. This is taking much longer than I expected, because of the Dutch units. They've been an absolute nightmare. We're at 27 wins of 35 fights so far and still have our three armies, build the Heroic Epic and are ready to settle the towns to the north. We've had a some bad luck in defending against the Dutch, but managed to hold.
Only the Dutch are still a big nuisance right now. The two cities they siege are very difficult to supply.
Unit count is starting to rise. Back to 84 where I started again and cats are coming in. I'll continue tomorrow, but I'll attach the save of my present turn if you want to peek.
I've finished my first three turns. This is taking much longer than I expected, because of the Dutch units. They've been an absolute nightmare. We're at 27 wins of 35 fights so far and still have our three armies, build the Heroic Epic and are ready to settle the towns to the north. We've had a some bad luck in defending against the Dutch, but managed to hold.
Only the Dutch are still a big nuisance right now. The two cities they siege are very difficult to supply.
Unit count is starting to rise. Back to 84 where I started again and cats are coming in. I'll continue tomorrow, but I'll attach the save of my present turn if you want to peek.
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Thanks for posting a midway save. They're always fun to see.
That looks pretty good, all things considered.
We seem to have just enough units reaching the southern central front to contain the Dutch, and I'm glad to see our first catapults.
Getting a third swordsman into our two-unit army should be a high priority.
You probably just haven't done this turn's MM yet, but since I can't resist:
Dalandzadgad can return to working its mined BG tile.
Choybalsan can work a roaded forest instead of a roadless one.
I'd change Jungly Swamps' archer build to a cat, though it's your call.
That looks pretty good, all things considered.
We seem to have just enough units reaching the southern central front to contain the Dutch, and I'm glad to see our first catapults.Getting a third swordsman into our two-unit army should be a high priority.
You probably just haven't done this turn's MM yet, but since I can't resist:
Dalandzadgad can return to working its mined BG tile.
Choybalsan can work a roaded forest instead of a roadless one.
I'd change Jungly Swamps' archer build to a cat, though it's your call.
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We should be able to build the Pentagon now, if we have three Armies already in the field and still alive.
Fourth Army, Pentgon or Forbidden Palace...Pentagon for larger Armies, and thus more powerful Armies.
I would consider a 4th Army if we had a lot of trouble holding our cities.
Forbidden Palace is nice, but if we can kill a lot more than we lose, we should be okay.
A lot just depends on the in-game situation.
Fourth Army, Pentgon or Forbidden Palace...Pentagon for larger Armies, and thus more powerful Armies.
I would consider a 4th Army if we had a lot of trouble holding our cities.
Forbidden Palace is nice, but if we can kill a lot more than we lose, we should be okay.
A lot just depends on the in-game situation.
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under the current circumstances, getting to the max number of armies is more vital I guess. Once we have hit that limit, we can always rush the pentagon or FP. We won't be able to have more than 4 armies I guess as that would require 20 cities that we don't have IIRC.
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I would have gone with the Pentagon, but choosing a fourth army is all right. The only outright mistake would have been rushing the FP.
In fact we have twenty-one cities and two settlers, so we probably won't stall until twenty-four cities/six armies.
In fact we have twenty-one cities and two settlers, so we probably won't stall until twenty-four cities/six armies.
Finished, short summary:
* We had 94 fights, won 79. So we went 79-15.
* We've build the Heroic Epic
* We've build the Pentagon
* We've gained a 4th army
* We lost our first army
* ... and Ashur, technically, I abandoned it.
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* We had 94 fights, won 79. So we went 79-15.
* We've build the Heroic Epic
* We've build the Pentagon
* We've gained a 4th army
* We lost our first army
* ... and Ashur, technically, I abandoned it.
Turnlog
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Situation at the Celtic front
We've absolutely butchered the Celts at Choybalsan. So much that last IBT they decided to go for Erdenet for some reason. Erdenet needs to be reinforced, there are swords nearby with movement left. All I've seen from them is horses and archers, no Gallic swords.
Situation around Ellipi and Dalandzadgad
I've not been able to do anything about the Sumerian route across the hills, even with two armies. We probably need to gather up cats to clear the hills. Dalandzadgad attracted one impi, a horse and one archers from the Zulu's in 10 turns. Mostly the Sumerians been an issue, since they can walk all the way to a hill right next to Dalandzadgad and Ellipi.
Situation around Pooh Bear
I haven't had a lot of trouble there, mostly because I think there were no workers close by. The Zulu still prefer the route along the mountains, Impi use the desert of course. Only maybe four units went into the gap, one ending up near Tie-Dye Frenzy, other three went to Dalandzadgad.
Situation around Mandalgovi
Mandalgovi and Bob's Chutney were pretty popular to attack until recently. We've could have been a lot worse off. But now the Dutch are ignoring them and passing into our territory. I've tried stopping them from using the hill. But the RNG was in their favor.
We've got about 94 units now, not sure. More than I started with and quite some cats. Although they're still spread pretty thin.
I've left most units with their movement. So the next player can decide whether he wants to add a 4th sword to the 2nd and 3rh army and such.
We've absolutely butchered the Celts at Choybalsan. So much that last IBT they decided to go for Erdenet for some reason. Erdenet needs to be reinforced, there are swords nearby with movement left. All I've seen from them is horses and archers, no Gallic swords.
Spoiler :
Situation around Ellipi and Dalandzadgad
I've not been able to do anything about the Sumerian route across the hills, even with two armies. We probably need to gather up cats to clear the hills. Dalandzadgad attracted one impi, a horse and one archers from the Zulu's in 10 turns. Mostly the Sumerians been an issue, since they can walk all the way to a hill right next to Dalandzadgad and Ellipi.
Spoiler :
Situation around Pooh Bear
I haven't had a lot of trouble there, mostly because I think there were no workers close by. The Zulu still prefer the route along the mountains, Impi use the desert of course. Only maybe four units went into the gap, one ending up near Tie-Dye Frenzy, other three went to Dalandzadgad.
Spoiler :
Situation around Mandalgovi
Mandalgovi and Bob's Chutney were pretty popular to attack until recently. We've could have been a lot worse off. But now the Dutch are ignoring them and passing into our territory. I've tried stopping them from using the hill. But the RNG was in their favor.
Spoiler :
We've got about 94 units now, not sure. More than I started with and quite some cats. Although they're still spread pretty thin.
I've left most units with their movement. So the next player can decide whether he wants to add a 4th sword to the 2nd and 3rh army and such.
We also might want to consider abandoning other towns like Babylon and have a settler in place on better locations. In hindsight, the spices were not worth the trouble at all and we would do better from this point on to focus our efforts not further west than Nineveh. It might even be worth it to abandon Babylon and at the same time settler 2N of Dalandzadgad. I would have done it if I could have. But the Impi's had just destroyed the road to that spot. So I had to go with Pooh Bear.
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The Zulu certainly love that path. And it wrecks so much havoc on our interior once they get inside our lines.Situation around Pooh Bear
I haven't had a lot of trouble there, mostly because I think there were no workers close by. The Zulu still prefer the route along the mountains, Impi use the desert of course. Only maybe four units went into the gap, one ending up near Tie-Dye Frenzy, other three went to Dalandzadgad.
Spoiler :
We could either put Spears on all those hill, which might divert them to Pooh Bear, or build a city on one of the hills, ping 'em with catapults and kill 'em as they try to heal.
CommandoBob
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Looks like pretty intense set of turns, especially with the infiltrators. 
Good job cleaning them out!
We have Horses! Next to Mandalgovi.
Dalandgadzad builds the Forbidden Palace in 44, which seems too big an investment for a border town facing Swords. We would way overspend on a switch to Barracks (49 shields wasted), but we could build a Temple in 1 (9 shields wasted), Library in 4 or Aqueduct in 11 and follow with a Barracks in another 7 turns. A border expansion won't really help us here, since we don't have any multi-tile roads outside our border. But it would force the enemy wounded to go further away to heal.
Pooh Bear needs a road to Almarikh.
We need a Sumerian Sword Stopper City to relieve the pressure on Ellipi and Dalandgadzad. 2N of Elliipi might be good enough; only one hill to road to connect the city and it will connect to the borders of Nineveh. It would need a worker to rush Walls and a good supply of defenders and catapults. Howver, we have no Settlers being produced.
I think we need this city before we plant one (if we plant one) to slow up the Zulus. A wall of Swords and Spears on the hills might deter the Zulu or send them to Pooh Bear. Not a cheap solution, but rather easy to implement, given our forces in the area. And we could reinforce them easier, since the core is nearby.
Out west, we don't have the units to spare to make a line.
Good job cleaning them out!We have Horses! Next to Mandalgovi.
Dalandgadzad builds the Forbidden Palace in 44, which seems too big an investment for a border town facing Swords. We would way overspend on a switch to Barracks (49 shields wasted), but we could build a Temple in 1 (9 shields wasted), Library in 4 or Aqueduct in 11 and follow with a Barracks in another 7 turns. A border expansion won't really help us here, since we don't have any multi-tile roads outside our border. But it would force the enemy wounded to go further away to heal.
Pooh Bear needs a road to Almarikh.
We need a Sumerian Sword Stopper City to relieve the pressure on Ellipi and Dalandgadzad. 2N of Elliipi might be good enough; only one hill to road to connect the city and it will connect to the borders of Nineveh. It would need a worker to rush Walls and a good supply of defenders and catapults. Howver, we have no Settlers being produced.
I think we need this city before we plant one (if we plant one) to slow up the Zulus. A wall of Swords and Spears on the hills might deter the Zulu or send them to Pooh Bear. Not a cheap solution, but rather easy to implement, given our forces in the area. And we could reinforce them easier, since the core is nearby.
Out west, we don't have the units to spare to make a line.
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Thanks for the very full report. 
Hitting the global city limit certainly makes it harder to see how we can turn this around. Getting beyond five armies is going to be difficult.
I've got it. I won't be playing immediately, so there's time for comments and suggestions [edit: as already provided by CB].
Hitting the global city limit certainly makes it harder to see how we can turn this around. Getting beyond five armies is going to be difficult.
I've got it. I won't be playing immediately, so there's time for comments and suggestions [edit: as already provided by CB
].Getting more cities to get more than 4 armies is probably the key problem we're having right now. We're not in a position where we can easily send an army to raze a city. I think we need to stop that Sumerian route first. The good news is that with the max city limit reached, the civs without iron, probably won't get iron very soon.
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All we can do is take one thing at a time, and the first priority is to build our way up to five four-unit armies, which we can support with our present twenty-one cites. Then, if we don't acquire any more enemies, we might be able to send two or three armies out razing.
