lurker's comment: Five spaces apart should be no problem at all; six should generally be workable I think. The AI won't tend to settle three spaces from an existing city unless it's really desperate (which these AI may be). Seven and I think you have problems.
GR29 - AWM vs 30 civs, Pangea
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lurker's comment: Five spaces apart should be no problem at all; six should generally be workable I think. The AI won't tend to settle three spaces from an existing city unless it's really desperate (which these AI may be). Seven and I think you have problems.
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I see what I can do filling our back.
Maybe the city limit will come up sooner rather than later.
Maybe the city limit will come up sooner rather than later.
ThERat
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Pre-Turn
MM a little, switch our capital to a library
chemistry is a whopping 19 turns away, but I go for it
IT lengthy turn as Far West Greebley gets attacked by 4 units but repelled them all,
we lose 2 exposed units though and defeat another unit
we get theology, Tolosa deposes us
we get a MGL as well
1. 910AD
defeat 3 units in Akkad and raze the city. this will help a lot to shut out the enemy
take another Babs knight out
at Altin Tepe, take out 5 units and 2 settler pairs
take back Tolosa, at Pee Wee defeat 8 units and fill an army with 2 knights
at Far West Greebley kill 2 units, amongst them a settler pair
2. 920AD
start to poll one knight army back to the tundra to help us spread there
defeat 6 units in the west
rush walls in Far West Greebley
in the east, slay 8 units including a settler pair
armies perform badly though and defense is getting really thin
IT FWG gets attacked and we lose 1 pike but defeat 2 other units
the enemy starts to block each other in the east and west, there are so many enemy units,
it is hard to not lose track
3. 930AD
start to attack Chongfu in the south, it's a pop 5 city
defeat 9 units in the east, 7 in the west
attack Iconium
just so you know, India has WE looming in the east
rush a rax in Nile, we need to be able to heal there
IT we got a real problem in the east as we don't have enough units for defense and the enemy invades our land
Korea finishes Leo
4. 940AD
to make myself feel good, capture Chongfu in "Operation Tundra"
settle Herat for more tundra coverage, set it on wealth as it is useless
in the east take out 6 units and block the WE from attacking us
in the west, take out 6 units, almost lose a knight army
raze Iconium, but decide this doesn't work unless we can break out
IT it's our luck that the AI is dumb and that they nicely block each other
5. 950AD
West Greebley's borders have expanded, that will really help us
remove the 3 WE in the east, so they can do no harm
finally get another MGL in the west. use it to rush an aqueduct
defeat a few units here and there, same old procedure
IT zzz
6. 960AD
another two useless tundra cities are laid down
in the west, we can always clear all the enemy units, the east looks different and there are some pillager units
IT Japanese sport samurais now, at least the German tanks will still have to wait a bit
7. 970AD
Japan has education now, I am glad I stuck to my gut feeling and started chemistry
Operation Tundra progresses smoothly as our knight army takes yet another settlement, Chiconaut
defeat the usual units and get another army just nicely timed, we just don't have the knights to fill it
but we will finish 6 knights next turn
IT is there a new civ sailing past?
8. 980AD
false alarm, no new Civ
found 2 more junk cities
6 more knights give some room to play but we lose one against a reg archer, man man
defeat a few units in the east, in the west we have things under control and can eventually expand once we have the settlers
9. 990AD
defeat the usual units, the pressure in the west is less, decide to transfer another knight army to the east
IT Japanese suddenly appear with a stack of 6 samurai
to top this, 3 enemy units are landed at Lisbon
10. 1000AD
oh, I wasted quite some money on chemistry as two AI's now have education and chemistry
apologies to the team
luckily I can shuffle units and pull an army into Lisbon from Nile
pull and army forward and defeat 1 samurai and hope we can block them
found another city
change all scientists to taxmen for this turn
MM a little, switch our capital to a library
chemistry is a whopping 19 turns away, but I go for it
IT lengthy turn as Far West Greebley gets attacked by 4 units but repelled them all,
we lose 2 exposed units though and defeat another unit
we get theology, Tolosa deposes us
we get a MGL as well
1. 910AD
defeat 3 units in Akkad and raze the city. this will help a lot to shut out the enemy
take another Babs knight out
at Altin Tepe, take out 5 units and 2 settler pairs
take back Tolosa, at Pee Wee defeat 8 units and fill an army with 2 knights
at Far West Greebley kill 2 units, amongst them a settler pair
2. 920AD
start to poll one knight army back to the tundra to help us spread there
defeat 6 units in the west
rush walls in Far West Greebley
in the east, slay 8 units including a settler pair
armies perform badly though and defense is getting really thin
IT FWG gets attacked and we lose 1 pike but defeat 2 other units
the enemy starts to block each other in the east and west, there are so many enemy units,
it is hard to not lose track
3. 930AD
start to attack Chongfu in the south, it's a pop 5 city
defeat 9 units in the east, 7 in the west
attack Iconium
just so you know, India has WE looming in the east
rush a rax in Nile, we need to be able to heal there
IT we got a real problem in the east as we don't have enough units for defense and the enemy invades our land
Korea finishes Leo
4. 940AD
to make myself feel good, capture Chongfu in "Operation Tundra"
settle Herat for more tundra coverage, set it on wealth as it is useless
in the east take out 6 units and block the WE from attacking us
in the west, take out 6 units, almost lose a knight army
raze Iconium, but decide this doesn't work unless we can break out
IT it's our luck that the AI is dumb and that they nicely block each other
5. 950AD
West Greebley's borders have expanded, that will really help us
remove the 3 WE in the east, so they can do no harm
finally get another MGL in the west. use it to rush an aqueduct
defeat a few units here and there, same old procedure
IT zzz
6. 960AD
another two useless tundra cities are laid down
in the west, we can always clear all the enemy units, the east looks different and there are some pillager units
IT Japanese sport samurais now, at least the German tanks will still have to wait a bit
7. 970AD
Japan has education now, I am glad I stuck to my gut feeling and started chemistry
Operation Tundra progresses smoothly as our knight army takes yet another settlement, Chiconaut
defeat the usual units and get another army just nicely timed, we just don't have the knights to fill it
but we will finish 6 knights next turn
IT is there a new civ sailing past?
8. 980AD
false alarm, no new Civ
found 2 more junk cities
6 more knights give some room to play but we lose one against a reg archer, man man
defeat a few units in the east, in the west we have things under control and can eventually expand once we have the settlers
9. 990AD
defeat the usual units, the pressure in the west is less, decide to transfer another knight army to the east
IT Japanese suddenly appear with a stack of 6 samurai
to top this, 3 enemy units are landed at Lisbon
10. 1000AD
oh, I wasted quite some money on chemistry as two AI's now have education and chemistry
apologies to the team
luckily I can shuffle units and pull an army into Lisbon from Nile
pull and army forward and defeat 1 samurai and hope we can block them
found another city
change all scientists to taxmen for this turn
ThERat
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The situation in the west. I think we can easily break out and settle aggressive as we have more units here and quite a few armies. Enemy movement is manageable.
The east:
Far less stable. two armies are tied to close that small land bridge. Enemy has been coming with knights (Babs and Germany, WE and now samurai). I would hold this line while filling the south and expanding west.
By the way, I have built some immortals for MP duty. we are horribly short of them.
By the way, we have 60 cities and can afford one more army at the moment. There are settlers on their way to fill all the gaps of the tundra, there is one knight army there that can move once we have more units around.
The east:
Far less stable. two armies are tied to close that small land bridge. Enemy has been coming with knights (Babs and Germany, WE and now samurai). I would hold this line while filling the south and expanding west.
By the way, I have built some immortals for MP duty. we are horribly short of them.
By the way, we have 60 cities and can afford one more army at the moment. There are settlers on their way to fill all the gaps of the tundra, there is one knight army there that can move once we have more units around.
Researching Chemistry isn't bad. The AI does skipt it often enough that it can be worth the gamble to research.
I think the best we will be able to do is advance slowly on the northern front until we get Cavalry. We are close enough that we may want to start saving empty armies so we can have more than one Cav Army when we get Mil Tradition.
I think if we are at the maximum number of Armies we should settle 4 more Tundra towns. The more cav armies we start with the better, and settling for a rushed Market seems a waste when we have land to settle.
We should also get libraries in all major towns.
Greebley
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I think the best we will be able to do is advance slowly on the northern front until we get Cavalry. We are close enough that we may want to start saving empty armies so we can have more than one Cav Army when we get Mil Tradition.
I think if we are at the maximum number of Armies we should settle 4 more Tundra towns. The more cav armies we start with the better, and settling for a rushed Market seems a waste when we have land to settle.
We should also get libraries in all major towns.
Greebley
Commando Bob
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Oh boy! Now we have some fun! Really enjoying this guys.IT Japanese suddenly appear with a stack of 6 samurai
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Fine work settling the tundra. I see you worked in some libraries, too. 
Since it looks as though we're going to be in a difficult, defensive posture in the east for quite a while, perhaps we should consider an option we normally ignore, that of building a fortified line. In the ideal case, meaning if we were able to straighten out our line by taking Boston and Novosibirsk, it would only be twelve tiles long. But even a partial line of fortifications covering the front we have now, for example on the tiles in front of Seattle, might help a lot. Most of our workers are now engaged in distinctly secondary tasks, so it could hardly hurt to explore these possibilities, which I feel we've tended to overlook in these games.
We can't do much about this on Daeron's round, since we have very few workers anywhere near the eastern front. But if he'd like to start moving them to the east and grouping them in stacks of sixteen, I'll try to make good use of them.
BTW it appears that things are going to get so delicate in the Bunyan-Seattle sector, for lack of units other than armies, that the spearmen from Ergili and Bactra should start moving in that direction before we hit Enter. I'd send the Immortal from Dariush Kabir, too, even though the town will then have to run a scientist.
Since it looks as though we're going to be in a difficult, defensive posture in the east for quite a while, perhaps we should consider an option we normally ignore, that of building a fortified line. In the ideal case, meaning if we were able to straighten out our line by taking Boston and Novosibirsk, it would only be twelve tiles long. But even a partial line of fortifications covering the front we have now, for example on the tiles in front of Seattle, might help a lot. Most of our workers are now engaged in distinctly secondary tasks, so it could hardly hurt to explore these possibilities, which I feel we've tended to overlook in these games.
We can't do much about this on Daeron's round, since we have very few workers anywhere near the eastern front. But if he'd like to start moving them to the east and grouping them in stacks of sixteen, I'll try to make good use of them.
BTW it appears that things are going to get so delicate in the Bunyan-Seattle sector, for lack of units other than armies, that the spearmen from Ergili and Bactra should start moving in that direction before we hit Enter. I'd send the Immortal from Dariush Kabir, too, even though the town will then have to run a scientist.
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I like the idea of defending in the East and attacking in the West. I had not considered fortifications in the east, since I rarely build them. I was thinking of a line of cities from Boston to the SE that somehow claimed (securely) at least one Dye.
I'll try to get a dot map on this, to use a guide. Boston would have to be taken first and that doesn't seem likely in the next ten turns.
Mount St. Helens
If we can, we need to get an Army, along with a Pike or two, on that mountain between Seattle and Altin Tepe. The AI currently beeline for that place and then we have to deal with them spreading out in our interior. Since our forces are on the front lines, we have to scramble to kill those that get behind the lines.
With an Army on that mountain, we can stop that exploit and channel the AI to cities we want them to attack (those on the border with walls and artillery).
Roading this mountain would be nice, too, but it appears our workers are elsewhere at the moment.
I'll try to get a dot map on this, to use a guide. Boston would have to be taken first and that doesn't seem likely in the next ten turns.
Mount St. Helens
If we can, we need to get an Army, along with a Pike or two, on that mountain between Seattle and Altin Tepe. The AI currently beeline for that place and then we have to deal with them spreading out in our interior. Since our forces are on the front lines, we have to scramble to kill those that get behind the lines.
With an Army on that mountain, we can stop that exploit and channel the AI to cities we want them to attack (those on the border with walls and artillery).
Roading this mountain would be nice, too, but it appears our workers are elsewhere at the moment.
CommandoBob
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Tundra Towns
In the tundra area down south we have a fairly good supply of forests that we can chop to make 1 turn warriors. So, when we capture a city or build a new one, we need a force of eight workers to move onto a forest tile and chop it in one turn. Warriors cost 10 sheilds; Immortals are 30 and the city needs Iron to build our UU. Both are equally effective as MPs, so we should try to build as many warriors as we have tundra forests. We might even want to disconnect Pluto while we chop five warriors out of that city.
We should road near the new cities, so that our new Warriors can quickly become MPs. But until all the nearby forests are gone, we should wait and not connect the city.
By the time one of those cities grows to size 2 all the warrior-chopping around it should be complete, so happiness will not be an issue in these isolated icy outposts.
In the tundra area down south we have a fairly good supply of forests that we can chop to make 1 turn warriors. So, when we capture a city or build a new one, we need a force of eight workers to move onto a forest tile and chop it in one turn. Warriors cost 10 sheilds; Immortals are 30 and the city needs Iron to build our UU. Both are equally effective as MPs, so we should try to build as many warriors as we have tundra forests. We might even want to disconnect Pluto while we chop five warriors out of that city.
We should road near the new cities, so that our new Warriors can quickly become MPs. But until all the nearby forests are gone, we should wait and not connect the city.
By the time one of those cities grows to size 2 all the warrior-chopping around it should be complete, so happiness will not be an issue in these isolated icy outposts.
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I agree completely. 
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North East Line
This is how I envisioned our North East Line, which is nothing very fancy. Just a string of cities at CxC on the far side of the Dyes and Boston. CxxC might be better; I'm not sure. At CxC we could bombard units from two cities (sometimes) and that is the only real advantage I see in it.
Boston (3) and Novosibirsk (2) would be captured and not razed. We could build another city (not marked) between them later.
The real trick to all this is finding enough untis where we could go on the offensive in this area. Just keeping the AI at the border is proving to be a hard enough task,
To attack freely in the west we need to Hold/Pause in the West (at least for a little while) while we first focus on a limited offensive in the East.
The West seems easier at the moment. Except for the lack of grassland tiles, it looks fine. Due west from Tolosa appears to be nice and open, even though the area from Far West Greebley to Mr. Peppermint seems to have most of the action.
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This is how I envisioned our North East Line, which is nothing very fancy. Just a string of cities at CxC on the far side of the Dyes and Boston. CxxC might be better; I'm not sure. At CxC we could bombard units from two cities (sometimes) and that is the only real advantage I see in it.
Boston (3) and Novosibirsk (2) would be captured and not razed. We could build another city (not marked) between them later.
The real trick to all this is finding enough untis where we could go on the offensive in this area. Just keeping the AI at the border is proving to be a hard enough task,
To attack freely in the west we need to Hold/Pause in the West (at least for a little while) while we first focus on a limited offensive in the East.
The West seems easier at the moment. Except for the lack of grassland tiles, it looks fine. Due west from Tolosa appears to be nice and open, even though the area from Far West Greebley to Mr. Peppermint seems to have most of the action.
CommandoBob
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Random Stuff
Two Knight Armies have only three, not four Knights in them. 13th Army (in West Greebley) and 10th Army (in Lisbon). 10th Army cannot be helped at the moment, but we can get the 13th up to four units rather quickly.
The eHorse* 1W of Pee-wee's Playhouse needs to be upgraded to a Knight. Our lone vHorse is fortified near Antayla in Tundra Territory. It can be upgraded also. These are our last Horses.
Ninth Army, in Chiconaut, has two target cities, both Aztec and with long, oddly spelled names.
Babylon sneaked in a city on the SE coast just NW of Salzburg. We cannot get to right away and that might be okay. It will take it about 20 turns or so to grow to size 2 and it may take us that long to capture it.
Mayan Mace and Babylonian Longbow threaten Lisbon, but not greatly.
Fourth and Eighth Army are blocking Babylonian access to South Akkad. That is good, since South Akkad is defended only with a Pike and the Babs have Knights.
We are building a lot of settlers; 19 at the moment. We are building one trebuchet, 13 turns to go. I think we need more trebuchets along the North/East border, since only Altin Tepe and Nule have any rock-throwers in that area.
Two Knight Armies have only three, not four Knights in them. 13th Army (in West Greebley) and 10th Army (in Lisbon). 10th Army cannot be helped at the moment, but we can get the 13th up to four units rather quickly.
The eHorse* 1W of Pee-wee's Playhouse needs to be upgraded to a Knight. Our lone vHorse is fortified near Antayla in Tundra Territory. It can be upgraded also. These are our last Horses.
Ninth Army, in Chiconaut, has two target cities, both Aztec and with long, oddly spelled names.
Babylon sneaked in a city on the SE coast just NW of Salzburg. We cannot get to right away and that might be okay. It will take it about 20 turns or so to grow to size 2 and it may take us that long to capture it.
Mayan Mace and Babylonian Longbow threaten Lisbon, but not greatly.
Fourth and Eighth Army are blocking Babylonian access to South Akkad. That is good, since South Akkad is defended only with a Pike and the Babs have Knights.
We are building a lot of settlers; 19 at the moment. We are building one trebuchet, 13 turns to go. I think we need more trebuchets along the North/East border, since only Altin Tepe and Nule have any rock-throwers in that area.
I do like the terrain along that line, nice and flat. I don't know if we'd prefer settling behind rivers though, for the extra defensive bonus.
By the way, I'm not 100 % sure when I will be starting my turns, maybe tomorrow, but after that it's Pinkster, so I'll probably be slow.
By the way, I'm not 100 % sure when I will be starting my turns, maybe tomorrow, but after that it's Pinkster, so I'll probably be slow.
CommandoBob
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Good point.
I have gotten to be very Luxury-Focused in C3C. So I am willing to give up a river defensive bonus if we can have a secure hold on a new luxury. To me that is an acceptable trade-off. And that is why the Dyes are behind the line and not on the line.
The line is a plan; an idea. I don't think it is perfect, but it can serve as a starting point for discussion. We may never use it, and that is fine, too.
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Yes, that looks good. It would certainly be preferable to have our line far enough in front of Boston and Novosibirsk that the AI wouldn't get the benefit of the rough terrain.
The west is a bit of a mess. Not sure what I was trying to accomplish here, but I sure did not get any extra towns. Part of it was that I couldn't get a settler there, didn't want to rush. Celts are coming strong now while all the others, including Korea seem to have dried up. Celts have knights.
Not much to say, there's a 2-knight army there which needs at least one more knight. Got rid of all the other civs here.
Took me forever to stabilize this region and of course as soon as I went on the offensive, there came elephants, knights and more knights.
Next players will probably have quite a dance with Ghandi, since he probably started his GA against me. Those elephants are very tough. Note the workerstacks that are ready for fortifying. I took the opportunity to scout a bit more of the region. I think we might want to raze Washington and settle our own line. The army in south Akkad should be swapped with pikes or muskets so it can be used. I tried drawing the armies away there, but I didn't have the units to allow for attacks on the town.
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Not much to say, there's a 2-knight army there which needs at least one more knight. Got rid of all the other civs here.
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Took me forever to stabilize this region and of course as soon as I went on the offensive, there came elephants, knights and more knights.
Next players will probably have quite a dance with Ghandi, since he probably started his GA against me. Those elephants are very tough. Note the workerstacks that are ready for fortifying. I took the opportunity to scout a bit more of the region. I think we might want to raze Washington and settle our own line. The army in south Akkad should be swapped with pikes or muskets so it can be used. I tried drawing the armies away there, but I didn't have the units to allow for attacks on the town.
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Fine kill ratio.
Thanks for getting the fortification parties to the eastern front. We'll clearly need them. I see that we're still desperately short of ordinary units in the east, so congratulations on your deft footwork with the armies.
You're right that we're short of bombardment units. But given that we had an abnormally attractive alternative build--Immortals--available for a long time, it was probably inevitable.
I've got it. I imagine I'll take the full week.
Thanks for getting the fortification parties to the eastern front. We'll clearly need them. I see that we're still desperately short of ordinary units in the east, so congratulations on your deft footwork with the armies.
You're right that we're short of bombardment units. But given that we had an abnormally attractive alternative build--Immortals--available for a long time, it was probably inevitable.
I've got it. I imagine I'll take the full week.
