greekguy
Missed the Boat
since i got no reply concerning the message, i just sent the diplo to MIA via Gmail.
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greekguy
Missed the Boat
New message from the Greeks:
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Remember that the people on the MIA team are the type of people who love to number crunch, they know roughly what their numbers are, so they want to know how many Galls have died for their predictions of strength.
donsig
Low level intermediary
I think we should go ahead and send them the battle logs. I don't think it would hurt and it will help keep our relations witht he Greeks on a good footing.
Donovan Zoi
The Return
I think that we should only release our battle logs if MIA is willing to join our war efforts. We must make it clear to them (as they probably already know) that our world thrives on balance, and if we are eliminated then K.I.S.S. will only become a graver threat for them. And with the Doughnuts seemingly as their lackeys, MIA would have to endure a two-front war alone.
If we can convince them of this, it could set up a cross-quadrant alliance where the strongest and weakest armies are pitted against the two average ones (based on the stats above). Only then do we have any chance of surviving the impending onslaught.
But we can't sell it as what's in it for us. MIA needs to realize that the stakes are high for them as well.
If we can convince them of this, it could set up a cross-quadrant alliance where the strongest and weakest armies are pitted against the two average ones (based on the stats above). Only then do we have any chance of surviving the impending onslaught.
But we can't sell it as what's in it for us. MIA needs to realize that the stakes are high for them as well.
greekguy
Missed the Boat
DZ,
we tried to convince the Greeks to join us in war against KISS when the war started, but they told us they can't. they said they recently signed a 50 turn peace treaty with KISS, so they can't join us in war, as it would break their treaty and damage their "honor".
they realize us being eliminated would be their death knell, but they are unwilling to go back on a treaty with a bunch of Idiots to save us and themselves!
btw, i'll write up a reply later today, probably with battle logs included.
we tried to convince the Greeks to join us in war against KISS when the war started, but they told us they can't. they said they recently signed a 50 turn peace treaty with KISS, so they can't join us in war, as it would break their treaty and damage their "honor".
they realize us being eliminated would be their death knell, but they are unwilling to go back on a treaty with a bunch of Idiots to save us and themselves!btw, i'll write up a reply later today, probably with battle logs included.
I disagree with the battle logs being included they may be our allies but they have not given us any military help, theyve given us gold equivalent to allowing us to build about 5 units, thats not exactly as helpfull as declaring war.
greekguy
Missed the Boat
ok, i won't put in the battlelogs. here's my proposed reply. please give feedback!
Dear MIA,
Our military is still in decent shape, even with the big battle we had recently. We are currently rebuilding our forces and should attack the KISS cities soon. We will put an end to the Gallic prescence on our continent in a matter of time.
To answer your question, yes, the Gallic Ivory is being supplied by Auda City. Since they didn't pillage the roads connecting their three cities, and they built a harbor in Malice, they can send Ivory back to their capital. However, their supply will be cut off rather abruptly after some "shipping" problems.
Concerning the Battle Logs, my team has decided to not provide it to you. We rather not share this information as we feel this info will be rather useless, as KISS and ourselves are continously producing new units. We think your anayzling the logs will only lead you to draw inaccurate conclusions. All I can tell you is that both our teams have suffered casualties, with the majority of unit losses coming in the recent major battle.
Lastly, to the best of my knowledge, the zipping of saves is a new Gmail feature. However, don't quote me on it.
Bye for now.
greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador
Dear MIA,
Our military is still in decent shape, even with the big battle we had recently. We are currently rebuilding our forces and should attack the KISS cities soon. We will put an end to the Gallic prescence on our continent in a matter of time.
To answer your question, yes, the Gallic Ivory is being supplied by Auda City. Since they didn't pillage the roads connecting their three cities, and they built a harbor in Malice, they can send Ivory back to their capital. However, their supply will be cut off rather abruptly after some "shipping" problems.
Concerning the Battle Logs, my team has decided to not provide it to you. We rather not share this information as we feel this info will be rather useless, as KISS and ourselves are continously producing new units. We think your anayzling the logs will only lead you to draw inaccurate conclusions. All I can tell you is that both our teams have suffered casualties, with the majority of unit losses coming in the recent major battle.
Lastly, to the best of my knowledge, the zipping of saves is a new Gmail feature. However, don't quote me on it.
Bye for now.
greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador
greekguy
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yeah, thanks for cataching that.
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Are you sure that we want it that "in your face"? We're not exactly acting from a position of power.
I think that in someways the reason that they are unwilling to break their treaty is that they know that therer is another game going on, the civ4 MTDG, and so what they do/don't do, can comeback to bite them.
Addtionally how much money do you think they have? I doubt that they are riding on the edge of wealth and gazing at their 3956396 gold (with a 4562 gpt income) every turn in a loving manner, they are probably using it.
I think that in someways the reason that they are unwilling to break their treaty is that they know that therer is another game going on, the civ4 MTDG, and so what they do/don't do, can comeback to bite them.
Addtionally how much money do you think they have? I doubt that they are riding on the edge of wealth and gazing at their 3956396 gold (with a 4562 gpt income) every turn in a loving manner, they are probably using it.
greekguy
Missed the Boat
yeah, but the CIV MTDG has less than 20 turns under its belt, this game has passed 100 turns a good time ago. the two games are 2 seperate entities, and what happens here probably won't affect the other game there. the only reason they are unwilling to break their treaty, from what i can fathom, is that they plan on going for a SS win, and don't want to get mixed up in complex wars between too many nations. however, they need to realize that if they want to survive to that point, they need us alive as an ally. basically, if they won't help us in this war, we're gonna revoke their little perks, such as providing them with detailed info in battle logs.
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So should we try something like "KISS lost X numbers of units of various kinds"? Remember that they just gave us a detailed info on the statistics that they have on KISS, it's only fair that they get something back.
donsig
Low level intermediary
I had a chat with fe3333au. I know it was unauthorized but I took a chance on a little diplomacy. Basically I tried painting a picture that our team is very demoralized. I thought that if the Greeks think we've given up they might be more willing to attack the Galls - but they stick to their blasted honor. Anyway, please don't let on that I wasn't actually entirely honest in my chat. Let's keep them thinking we are desperate.
The high points of the chat are the possiblility that we ask the Galls for peace and make some concessions to them with the secret understanding that the Greeks will help us recover what we concede. If we get their word on it then we can turn that blasted Greek Honor to our benefit. The Greeks have told the Nutters they (the Greeks) will attack them (the Nutters) if they (the Nutters) attack us!
They other high point is my suggestion near the end of the chat that as soon as we secure peace with the Galls (backed of course by the Greeks secret pledge to help us recover what is conceded) that the Greeks join us in an attack on the Nutters. We might as well put those immortals and trebuchets to good use somewhere!
donsigw: Hey, The Galls have ivory from their city on our continent because they now have a harbor in Malice.
fe3333au: Bastards LOL
donsigw: yep
fe3333au: you well?
donsigw: tired - busy time at the library
donsigw: end of semester - looks of books coming back and we're still on 3am closing
fe3333au: Farout ... hope you get overtime
donsigw: no, I'm salaried
donsigw: Sunday is our last 3 am day till the fall
fe3333au: you get time off inlieu then?
donsigw: yeah
fe3333au: good ... is it Sunday for you yet?
donsigw: no - Saturday afternoon here.
donsigw: Tomorrow is Mother's Day and I agreed to open at 10 am
donsigw: is there a rule against sharing battle logs?
fe3333au: can't see why there would be ... it is what has happened to you
fe3333au: but if you send it in future battles make sure not to cc to us or KISS will know we are getting it
donsigw: we have some strange rules in this game
fe3333au: it is basic pbem rules
fe3333au: cos when someone gets turn they may not see attack
fe3333au: but their units (in game) of course would
fe3333au: therefore logs are sent
donsigw: I don't mean the battle log rules, I mean the rules about renaming cities
donsigw: I posted in our team thread that we should send the logs to you
fe3333au: I was for it ... cos if we knew a city had been founded with iron nearby ... in a trade they could rename and sell us something else
fe3333au: Therefore to rename it should be advertised in UN
donsigw: hmmm... there is opposition to giving your team our battle logs
fe3333au: how come ... it is confidential and we can't calculate an estimate of KISS military units otherwise
donsigw: well, it would seem that our recent defeats have had a demoralizing effect
fe3333au: that's no good
donsigw: my teammates are finally realizing we cannot win the war unless your team actively helps us (by actually fighting the Galls)
donsigw: Do you realize your team has more cities on the coast than we have in our whole entire republic?
fe3333au: can't do that yet still at peace but KISS will be ending their golden age soon
donsigw: is there a rule that says MIA can't declare war on KISS or is the *can't* from the Greek Honor point of view?
fe3333au: Honour ... we do not break our word
fe3333au: we decided that early in the game
donsigw: Has it occured to anyone on your team that there is little Honour in standing by while your little friend is beat up by the local bully?
fe3333au: and although KISS and us have differences ... they have honour as well and if they give their word they keep it
fe3333au: sorry bad luck ... it is how we play the game
fe3333au: Are you affraid of Nuts?
donsigw: so you should then be able to see why some on my team do not wish to share the battle logs
donsigw: we are at the point where we are not *afraid* of anything
donsigw: we feel it may be best to finish this quickly and get out
fe3333au: I can't understand to be perfectly honest ... because you benefit from all the intel we give
fe3333au: So your team is thinking of letting KISS finish you due to bordom or frustration?
donsigw: give me a second - my sister is on the phone
fe3333au: no worries
donsigw: ok, I'm back
donsigw: We see no point in playing out a doomed position
donsigw: would you?
fe3333au: I probably would ... and have in pbem games ... cos I don't like to quit
donsigw: well, that's not how we play the game
fe3333au: should be fun even if losing
donsigw: losing like this is not fun
donsigw: we need a least a chance that we can win
donsigw: we don't even have friends we can count on
fe3333au: question - is this official ... like can we write a responce to TNT about this?
donsigw: sure it's official
donsigw: you guys don't seem to understand that there isn't much of a team left over here
donsigw: I play the turns and there is rarely any input any more
fe3333au: hmmmm ... that's pretty bleak ... and you are thinking of ending it then?
donsigw: I will of course continue to play out the turns - but my heart is not in it and I see little reason to stand up to KISS so your team can benefit
fe3333au: I'm sorry you feel that way
fe3333au: But we are helping you guys with the analysis and have made it clear to Nuts that we will not tollerate then attacking you
fe3333au: *them
donsigw: we don't have the strength to fight them. We marched a stack of pikes next to Spite and they tore it to shredds
fe3333au: So all you got is KISS as an enemy ... who are unfortunatly in Golden Age atm
fe3333au: Yes I see
donsigw: KISS is a very strong opponent even without their GA. Remember, we have killed maybe five of thie swordsmen
fe3333au: are you just concentrating on military units now?
donsigw: there keep sending units over - three settlers, who knows how many pikes, a bunch of trebuchets and who knows how many more swords
donsigw: no, we are building barracks now
fe3333au: rushing them with cash?
donsigw: no, saving cash
donsigw: if the Galls attacks we will switch the barracks to units then rush them
fe3333au: I don't understand why? ... do you need more cash?
donsigw: we do not know where the Galls will strike next. We do not have enough units (or time to build units) to cover all the bases
donsigw: we have our immortals and trebuchets but if an attack is made out of their reach we'll need to rush units - so we are saving gold for that
donsigw: we have very SMALL cities
fe3333au: I sent a letter saying we will have Galley in place to act as an eye so you get warning if they try landing on your northern coast
donsigw: we no longer have an eastern core
donsigw: we're pulling in only about 50gpt - not enough to rush a unit every turn if we drain the treasury
fe3333au: Golden Age will finish and then the units will be less.
donsigw: they already have enough units over here to take us out - they just don't realize how weak we are
fe3333au: well all I can do is post this and see if we can help more ... but fighting KISS before peace over is a non-negotiable issue
donsigw: well, that's your call
donsigw: perhaps I will offer them peace
fe3333au: That may be the only option
fe3333au: Change question ... do you zip the save or is it g-mail?
donsigw: I do not zip the save
fe3333au: bloody g-mail is causing a glitch in the save then ... we cannot use CivAssist and I'm having wierd things in Espionage screen
donsigw: don't know anything about CivAssist
fe3333au: Tool some of us use for city stuff
fe3333au: helps with placement and micromanagement
fe3333au: I don't use it either
fe3333au: So it's upto you if you send us Battlelogs or not ... we will be sending Invention in 3 turns ... if you still want it
donsigw: There were two posts saying not to send the battle logs. That's enough to out vote me so they won't be sent.
fe3333au: We will send a responce officially and see if we can persuade your comrades
donsigw: ok - good luck with it
donsigw: does your team have a peace treaty with the Nutters?
fe3333au: no
fe3333au: but we sent them a letter saying that we would consider it but only if they do not attack you
donsigw: are you negotiating one with them?>
fe3333au: if they attack you ... we will attack them
donsigw: will that be in any treaty you make with them?
fe3333au: sorry?
fe3333au: yes it is a clause we insist on
fe3333au: was your question am I the one negotiating with Nuts?
donsigw: do you know off hand what turn your peace treaty with KISS expires?
fe3333au: 166
donsigw: no, the question was *is MIA negotiating a treaty with the nutters?* - I wanted to know about how such a treaty would affect your stance that you will not tolerate them attacking us (which you've answered)
donsigw: Any thoughts on what will happen on turn 167?
donsigw: BTW, I just sent the save out.
fe3333au: We don't like the advantage that KISS is getting ... so many are eager to put them it their place
fe3333au: cool
donsigw: I don't know if we can hang on for 33 more turns
donsigw: I think it would be better for us to make peace and build up so we can attack them together
fe3333au: Give them some land I guess is really the only option
donsigw: Do you suggest giving them more than they already have taken?
fe3333au: I suspect they will want something for peace
donsigw: do you think your teammates would agree to helping us recover (after turn 167 of course) whatever we concede to the Galls?
fe3333au: I would think that is a possibility
fe3333au: a very good one ... but will have to see what they demand ... they may want some cities
donsigw: we wouldn't give them cities
donsigw: we'd abandon them first. We've already showed them we will do that
fe3333au: I hope negotiations will go well ... just don't mention our support for you
donsigw: their previous demands were that we not build any cities east of our present holding and we give them our next three techs. May have been more, I didn't take it seriously at the time
donsigw: well, I think we would only make concessions to them if we had the word of the Greeks that they would help us recover what we concede
fe3333au: Hmmm ... I take that onboard
fe3333au: We will need to know what the concessions are before we can confirm
donsigw: so, if they offer peace we ask for time to think it over and we'll confer with your team behind the scenes
donsigw: yes, I wouldn't expect you to agree unless you knew what you were agreeing to
fe3333au: that sounds good for us ... and in the interim we will see if we can help in any other way ... however I know our team would prefer Battle Logs ... you may like to pass that on the the other 2 players
donsigw: I will post this chat
fe3333au: good ... I'm editing it as we chat
donsigw: ok - one last idea for your team to chew on
donsigw: let's say for kicks we can make a decent peace with the Galls within ten turns. Would your tea, like to joim us in an attack on the Nutters?
donsigw: don't answer now - just post the idea and think about it
donsigw: if we can secure peace with in ten turns we'd have a good twenty turns left to attack the Nutters
donsigw: before your treaty with the Galls expire
donsigw: that's ten turns to prepare
fe3333au: hmmm interesting ... you would have to confirm a long peace with KISS for that to work
donsigw: well, we wouldn't want it to be too long
donsigw: we'd want to attack them next
donsigw: anyway discuss it and we can hopefully make peace with them for an appropriate time
fe3333au: sure will
donsigw: since we're buildig immortals it's a shame to let them waste away
donsigw: would make the game more fun for us, too
fe3333au: I'm sorry there is not much of a team over there ... I thought you got some new players
donsigw: we're trying - but nice war in the south would rekindle interest for sure
donsigw: perhaps your team should try to find out what mutual security deals KISS and the Nutters have
fe3333au: we are trying to do that and also to seed doubt in KISS
fe3333au: maybe a three team vs KISS scenario could work
donsigw: that could work but I think we could smash the nutters and then take on KISS together as well
donsigw: it would be much easier to coordinate two teams than three
donsigw: MIA and TNT have had a decent relationship so far. We are very disappointed that you're standing by while we bear the wrath of KISS but a successful alliance against the Nutters would recement our relationship and give us some good practice for a joint venture against KISS in the future
donsigw: well, I've gotta go
fe3333au: cya
Let's keep them thinking we are desperate.The high points of the chat are the possiblility that we ask the Galls for peace and make some concessions to them with the secret understanding that the Greeks will help us recover what we concede. If we get their word on it then we can turn that blasted Greek Honor to our benefit. The Greeks have told the Nutters they (the Greeks) will attack them (the Nutters) if they (the Nutters) attack us!
They other high point is my suggestion near the end of the chat that as soon as we secure peace with the Galls (backed of course by the Greeks secret pledge to help us recover what is conceded) that the Greeks join us in an attack on the Nutters. We might as well put those immortals and trebuchets to good use somewhere!
donsigw: Hey, The Galls have ivory from their city on our continent because they now have a harbor in Malice.
fe3333au: Bastards LOL
donsigw: yep
fe3333au: you well?
donsigw: tired - busy time at the library
donsigw: end of semester - looks of books coming back and we're still on 3am closing
fe3333au: Farout ... hope you get overtime
donsigw: no, I'm salaried
donsigw: Sunday is our last 3 am day till the fall
fe3333au: you get time off inlieu then?
donsigw: yeah
fe3333au: good ... is it Sunday for you yet?
donsigw: no - Saturday afternoon here.
donsigw: Tomorrow is Mother's Day and I agreed to open at 10 am
donsigw: is there a rule against sharing battle logs?
fe3333au: can't see why there would be ... it is what has happened to you
fe3333au: but if you send it in future battles make sure not to cc to us or KISS will know we are getting it
donsigw: we have some strange rules in this game
fe3333au: it is basic pbem rules
fe3333au: cos when someone gets turn they may not see attack
fe3333au: but their units (in game) of course would
fe3333au: therefore logs are sent
donsigw: I don't mean the battle log rules, I mean the rules about renaming cities
donsigw: I posted in our team thread that we should send the logs to you
fe3333au: I was for it ... cos if we knew a city had been founded with iron nearby ... in a trade they could rename and sell us something else
fe3333au: Therefore to rename it should be advertised in UN
donsigw: hmmm... there is opposition to giving your team our battle logs
fe3333au: how come ... it is confidential and we can't calculate an estimate of KISS military units otherwise
donsigw: well, it would seem that our recent defeats have had a demoralizing effect
fe3333au: that's no good
donsigw: my teammates are finally realizing we cannot win the war unless your team actively helps us (by actually fighting the Galls)
donsigw: Do you realize your team has more cities on the coast than we have in our whole entire republic?
fe3333au: can't do that yet still at peace but KISS will be ending their golden age soon
donsigw: is there a rule that says MIA can't declare war on KISS or is the *can't* from the Greek Honor point of view?
fe3333au: Honour ... we do not break our word
fe3333au: we decided that early in the game
donsigw: Has it occured to anyone on your team that there is little Honour in standing by while your little friend is beat up by the local bully?
fe3333au: and although KISS and us have differences ... they have honour as well and if they give their word they keep it
fe3333au: sorry bad luck ... it is how we play the game
fe3333au: Are you affraid of Nuts?
donsigw: so you should then be able to see why some on my team do not wish to share the battle logs
donsigw: we are at the point where we are not *afraid* of anything
donsigw: we feel it may be best to finish this quickly and get out
fe3333au: I can't understand to be perfectly honest ... because you benefit from all the intel we give
fe3333au: So your team is thinking of letting KISS finish you due to bordom or frustration?
donsigw: give me a second - my sister is on the phone
fe3333au: no worries
donsigw: ok, I'm back
donsigw: We see no point in playing out a doomed position
donsigw: would you?
fe3333au: I probably would ... and have in pbem games ... cos I don't like to quit
donsigw: well, that's not how we play the game
fe3333au: should be fun even if losing
donsigw: losing like this is not fun
donsigw: we need a least a chance that we can win
donsigw: we don't even have friends we can count on
fe3333au: question - is this official ... like can we write a responce to TNT about this?
donsigw: sure it's official
donsigw: you guys don't seem to understand that there isn't much of a team left over here
donsigw: I play the turns and there is rarely any input any more
fe3333au: hmmmm ... that's pretty bleak ... and you are thinking of ending it then?
donsigw: I will of course continue to play out the turns - but my heart is not in it and I see little reason to stand up to KISS so your team can benefit
fe3333au: I'm sorry you feel that way
fe3333au: But we are helping you guys with the analysis and have made it clear to Nuts that we will not tollerate then attacking you
fe3333au: *them
donsigw: we don't have the strength to fight them. We marched a stack of pikes next to Spite and they tore it to shredds
fe3333au: So all you got is KISS as an enemy ... who are unfortunatly in Golden Age atm
fe3333au: Yes I see
donsigw: KISS is a very strong opponent even without their GA. Remember, we have killed maybe five of thie swordsmen
fe3333au: are you just concentrating on military units now?
donsigw: there keep sending units over - three settlers, who knows how many pikes, a bunch of trebuchets and who knows how many more swords
donsigw: no, we are building barracks now
fe3333au: rushing them with cash?
donsigw: no, saving cash
donsigw: if the Galls attacks we will switch the barracks to units then rush them
fe3333au: I don't understand why? ... do you need more cash?
donsigw: we do not know where the Galls will strike next. We do not have enough units (or time to build units) to cover all the bases
donsigw: we have our immortals and trebuchets but if an attack is made out of their reach we'll need to rush units - so we are saving gold for that
donsigw: we have very SMALL cities
fe3333au: I sent a letter saying we will have Galley in place to act as an eye so you get warning if they try landing on your northern coast
donsigw: we no longer have an eastern core
donsigw: we're pulling in only about 50gpt - not enough to rush a unit every turn if we drain the treasury
fe3333au: Golden Age will finish and then the units will be less.
donsigw: they already have enough units over here to take us out - they just don't realize how weak we are
fe3333au: well all I can do is post this and see if we can help more ... but fighting KISS before peace over is a non-negotiable issue
donsigw: well, that's your call
donsigw: perhaps I will offer them peace
fe3333au: That may be the only option
fe3333au: Change question ... do you zip the save or is it g-mail?
donsigw: I do not zip the save
fe3333au: bloody g-mail is causing a glitch in the save then ... we cannot use CivAssist and I'm having wierd things in Espionage screen
donsigw: don't know anything about CivAssist
fe3333au: Tool some of us use for city stuff
fe3333au: helps with placement and micromanagement
fe3333au: I don't use it either
fe3333au: So it's upto you if you send us Battlelogs or not ... we will be sending Invention in 3 turns ... if you still want it
donsigw: There were two posts saying not to send the battle logs. That's enough to out vote me so they won't be sent.
fe3333au: We will send a responce officially and see if we can persuade your comrades
donsigw: ok - good luck with it
donsigw: does your team have a peace treaty with the Nutters?
fe3333au: no
fe3333au: but we sent them a letter saying that we would consider it but only if they do not attack you
donsigw: are you negotiating one with them?>
fe3333au: if they attack you ... we will attack them
donsigw: will that be in any treaty you make with them?
fe3333au: sorry?
fe3333au: yes it is a clause we insist on
fe3333au: was your question am I the one negotiating with Nuts?
donsigw: do you know off hand what turn your peace treaty with KISS expires?
fe3333au: 166
donsigw: no, the question was *is MIA negotiating a treaty with the nutters?* - I wanted to know about how such a treaty would affect your stance that you will not tolerate them attacking us (which you've answered)
donsigw: Any thoughts on what will happen on turn 167?
donsigw: BTW, I just sent the save out.
fe3333au: We don't like the advantage that KISS is getting ... so many are eager to put them it their place
fe3333au: cool
donsigw: I don't know if we can hang on for 33 more turns
donsigw: I think it would be better for us to make peace and build up so we can attack them together
fe3333au: Give them some land I guess is really the only option
donsigw: Do you suggest giving them more than they already have taken?
fe3333au: I suspect they will want something for peace
donsigw: do you think your teammates would agree to helping us recover (after turn 167 of course) whatever we concede to the Galls?
fe3333au: I would think that is a possibility
fe3333au: a very good one ... but will have to see what they demand ... they may want some cities
donsigw: we wouldn't give them cities
donsigw: we'd abandon them first. We've already showed them we will do that
fe3333au: I hope negotiations will go well ... just don't mention our support for you
donsigw: their previous demands were that we not build any cities east of our present holding and we give them our next three techs. May have been more, I didn't take it seriously at the time
donsigw: well, I think we would only make concessions to them if we had the word of the Greeks that they would help us recover what we concede
fe3333au: Hmmm ... I take that onboard
fe3333au: We will need to know what the concessions are before we can confirm
donsigw: so, if they offer peace we ask for time to think it over and we'll confer with your team behind the scenes
donsigw: yes, I wouldn't expect you to agree unless you knew what you were agreeing to
fe3333au: that sounds good for us ... and in the interim we will see if we can help in any other way ... however I know our team would prefer Battle Logs ... you may like to pass that on the the other 2 players
donsigw: I will post this chat
fe3333au: good ... I'm editing it as we chat
donsigw: ok - one last idea for your team to chew on
donsigw: let's say for kicks we can make a decent peace with the Galls within ten turns. Would your tea, like to joim us in an attack on the Nutters?
donsigw: don't answer now - just post the idea and think about it
donsigw: if we can secure peace with in ten turns we'd have a good twenty turns left to attack the Nutters
donsigw: before your treaty with the Galls expire
donsigw: that's ten turns to prepare
fe3333au: hmmm interesting ... you would have to confirm a long peace with KISS for that to work
donsigw: well, we wouldn't want it to be too long
donsigw: we'd want to attack them next
donsigw: anyway discuss it and we can hopefully make peace with them for an appropriate time
fe3333au: sure will
donsigw: since we're buildig immortals it's a shame to let them waste away
donsigw: would make the game more fun for us, too
fe3333au: I'm sorry there is not much of a team over there ... I thought you got some new players
donsigw: we're trying - but nice war in the south would rekindle interest for sure
donsigw: perhaps your team should try to find out what mutual security deals KISS and the Nutters have
fe3333au: we are trying to do that and also to seed doubt in KISS
fe3333au: maybe a three team vs KISS scenario could work
donsigw: that could work but I think we could smash the nutters and then take on KISS together as well
donsigw: it would be much easier to coordinate two teams than three
donsigw: MIA and TNT have had a decent relationship so far. We are very disappointed that you're standing by while we bear the wrath of KISS but a successful alliance against the Nutters would recement our relationship and give us some good practice for a joint venture against KISS in the future
donsigw: well, I've gotta go
fe3333au: cya
greekguy
Missed the Boat
donsig, great chat! i can't believe you got fe3333au believing we've given up and there's not team left. 
nice job!
your chat does make my message obsolete though, so i guess we should wait for MIA to send us a communication, and we'll respond to that.
nice job!your chat does make my message obsolete though, so i guess we should wait for MIA to send us a communication, and we'll respond to that.
donsig
Low level intermediary
Do we have a peace treaty signed with them yet? We'd better get one inplace. If they think we've given up they might attack us!
