Guilty of rape by deception

[Mise]

I think the problem is that consent as in "rape" is different from consent as in "false advertising". It is clear that there is a difference between physically or verbally forcing a woman into having sex (i.e. holding her down, forcing her clothes off, etc), and lying in order to sleep with her. The former is rape, the latter is false advertising. The OP outlines a situation is closer to an advert that "guarantees" that your washing will come out "whiter than white", where the claim should be taken with a grain of salt, than to rape.

Rape, to most people, means "forced sex"; we use the word "consent" in this context to mean "she didn't consent" => "she was forced". "Rape" is a highly evocative word, and using it as in the OP cheapens the word and denigrates victims of actual, forced rape.

We can debate all we want about whether false advertising, in the case of picking up a girl at a bar, should be illegal, but can we all agree that it shouldn't be considered "rape"?

 

[Abaddon]

Zulu! You don't come to ot enough!

This is stupid, as many examples are trying to show. If she was that bothered she should have demanded proof.

Erm, are both religions circumcised?

 

[Frank Drebin]

Erm, are both religions circumcised?

they are.

 

[nonconformist]

Mise, rape requires a lack of consent, violence doesn't enter into it.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I think the problem is that consent as in "rape" is different from consent as in "false advertising". It is clear that there is a difference between physically or verbally forcing a woman into having sex (i.e. holding her down, forcing her clothes off, etc), and lying in order to sleep with her. The former is rape, the latter is false advertising. The OP outlines a situation is closer to an advert that "guarantees" that your washing will come out "whiter than white", where the claim should be taken with a grain of salt, than to rape.

Rape, to most people, means "forced sex"; we use the word "consent" in this context to mean "she didn't consent" => "she was forced". "Rape" is a highly evocative word, and using it as in the OP cheapens the word and denigrates victims of actual, forced rape.

We can debate all we want about whether false advertising, in the case of picking up a girl at a bar, should be illegal, but can we all agree that it shouldn't be considered "rape"?

I agree. If you can see some of my other threads, I hold that actual rapists should be shot as soon as proven guilty. I would ABSOLUTELY NOT say that about this case.

To be fair, it was the Israeli government (And many, many governments before them) that have cheapened the word of rape. I agree with you. I'd call it false advertising, and it should probably be handled by some sort of fine paid to the victim of said advertising. Jail time isn't necessary here.

EDIT: @Nonconformist- That is true, if you force a woman to drink so much that she won't refuse, for instance, you raped her. If you drugged her so she let you, you raped her. If you threatened violence if she didn't, you raped her. This case is obviously different.

 

[Bill3000]

Well if this happen in Russia a guy is safe. We have AoC = 16 yo .

I should have said 15, but my point remains the same!

 

[nonconformist]

False advertising in sex happens all the time. You'd have to pretty much fine every person who has ever engaged in consentual sex

 

[Abaddon]

We should sue the makers of the wonder bra. They are aiding rapists!

 

[J-man]

I hope this verdict gets overturned....

 

[Grisu]

Where did she lie to the court? If she did she should get punished too.

The woman initially accused Mr Kashur under oath of a brutal rape against her consent, a charge that carries a heavy jail sentence. But when Mr Kashur's lawyer mounted his own investigation and disproved her claims, the Jerusalem District Court agreed to a plea bargain.

sounds like a lie to me....actually even perjury, no?

 

[Silurian]

Remember she approached him in the street - Look at Haaretz
He could be from any European country from the photo there.
He is from Jerusalem so I assume that the accent would be the same.

She assumed he was Jewish and was not happy when she found that she was wrong

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

He should be proud. He got 18 months for being a smooth operator.

 

[nonconformist]

Is anyone getting To Kill a Mockingbird type flashbacks?

 

[Mise]

Mise, rape requires a lack of consent, violence doesn't enter into it.

What I'm getting at is that "Lack of consent" in the context of "rape" is used to mean "forced". I.e. she was forced into having sex against her will, either by being drugged or held down or whatever. But in the OP, "lack of consent" is being used in a different context; the judge (or lawmakers) are equivocating, by using "lack of consent" in a different context now, as in "I did not consent to buy a DVD player with a faulty ejector button; I was lead to believe that the DVD player was in working order, and therefore did not consent to buy this DVD player." The words "lack of consent" are the same, but the meaning is different. In the case of rape, it means that the woman was forced; in the case of the OP, it means the woman was misled. Saying that "rape" = "lack of consent" = "being misled" is equivocating on the term "lack of consent".

 

[nonconformist]

The problem with UK law is the presumption that a woman did not consent, unless it can be proved that she did :/

 

[Till]

Kashur, married and the father of two small children, has been under house arrest for almost two years since the incident occured.

So the sentence is on top of that?

High Court Justice Elyakim Rubinstein said a conviction of rape should be imposed any time a "person does not tell the truth regarding critical matters to a reasonable woman, and as a result of misrepresentation she has sexual relations with him."

How is being Jewish a critical matter in this situation, and how did the woman not act unreasonable?

In the past, men who misrepresented themselves in this way were convicted of fraud.

That seems more sensible.

 

[warpus]

"Rape" is a highly evocative word, and using it as in the OP cheapens the word and denigrates victims of actual, forced rape.

I very strongly agree.. really hope this case gets overturned

We can debate all we want about whether false advertising, in the case of picking up a girl at a bar, should be illegal, but can we all agree that it shouldn't be considered "rape"?

Picking up girls at the bar (or elsewhere) is ALL about false advertising. Nobody walks up to a girl and says: "Hi, I'm George. I'm unemployed and I live with my parents", they say: "Hey, what's up, I'm an architect and I want to buy you a drink"

 

[Communisto]

Picking up girls at the bar (or elsewhere) is ALL about false advertising. Nobody walks up to a girl and says: "Hi, I'm George. I'm unemployed and I live with my parents", they say: "Hey, what's up, I'm an architect and I want to buy you a drink"

That'll do, pig, that'll do.

 

[Silurian]

from adnkronos

Kiryat Gat, 1 July (AKI) - A new school programme to prevent Jewish girls from becoming romantically involved with Israeli Bedouin Arabs has started in the town of Kiryat Gat in central Israel.

A report by Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth on Tuesday says that the city's welfare representative, police and council officials, are touring schools with a video called "Sleeping with the Enemy" to educate young women.

This may not be the first such case.

 

[Quackers]

She needs a new JewDar tbh