HOT1 - PTW Monarch (Koreans)

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Arathorn
 
What is our relationship with India now? Was the alliance cancelled before we made peace with the Mongols? If we are building up to attack India soon anyway it may not matter much right now but may effect how the other civs treat us when we look for alliances against India later.

Hotrod
 
The alliance was cancelled before we made peace with the Mongols. (Actually, Gandhi wasn't interested in extending it -- though he continued to wage his own war with the Mongols. :crazyeyes: )
 
Hotrod
Rowain
UU
Mystery13 <---- Playing
Meldor (Swapped ?)
Borealis (On Deck)

Provided Mystery reports before saturday ;)
 
Preturn, I change Pyongyang from settler to temple...no, I'll let the
settler complete to see if we can fill that open spot where a city
used to be. It's a longshot though, as we won't get the settler
there for 12 turns. I do change Pusan to temple, as we have an
entertainer hired there. We can get Polytheism in 11 at -4gpt.
Most AI civs seem to go Republic first. Does anyone think we can
buy that for less than 1000g at 2nd, 3rd or 4th prices? I say we run for Monarchy now (Republic is 25 turns at -4gpt!!!).

IT Our sword repels an archer and goes elite.

(1)330BC A string of 6 Japanese units are coming South from India? Otherwise, lot's of worker and military movement.

IT Indians and Mongols still at play. More Japanese move into the
area through India.

(2)310BC not much...

IT China allies with India against the Mongols...hmmm

(3)290BC Paring down the Japanese attackers. Sending units to
take a Japanese town or two. I don't think it's the right time
to get between India, Mongolia and China.

IT Oops, China and Japan ally against us! Japan also declares war on the Mongols...looks like it's open season.

(4)270BC Japan now wants 80 gold for peace...not yet. Not much
otherwise...Japanese units making no progress against us from the North. Japanese empire starting to get quite big.

IT Seoul builds a temple, I switch to library trying to shave a few
turns off the run to Monarchy.

(5)250BC Moving troops...warring with Japan is not really in our best interests, but switching to a war with India would probably be worse. I try for an alliance with the Indians against the Japanese but we don't have enough to sway them...we're on our own.

(6)230BC not much

IT India settles the city spot that we we're trying to get...then,
the bad news...they ally with Japan against us. Ok, now we'll go
take the new city and a few other Indian cities.

(7)210BC Attacking the Japanese units, we get a leader for our new Great Library in Seoul!

(8)190BC not much

(9)170BC Pult shots against newly formed Hyderabad...1 in 4.
Elite sword and elite archer finish the job.
Units near Wonson finish off the remaining Japanese forces.
The price for peace went from 120g last turn to 60g this turn
but I still won't pay!

IT We've left the ancient age behind with the arrival of Polytheism.
We build the Great Library, and the Japanese build the Great Wall in the same turn. Lucky timing. I go for Engineering but turn science down to 10%.

(10)150BC Main city demolition force has turned North toward
central India. Will try to come to peace with Japan again.
Cleaning up some Indian forces in the area, we get another great
leader (I don't think I've ever had two come up in an SG).
A Japanese spearman mad it through my lines near Ulsan. It may
be going to the Mongolian mine deposit South of us because we have
no luxuries or resources to pillage in the area. I've actually
turned science all the way off...no point wasting money on science
for a while. The Great Leader is in Pyongyang. With nothing major on the great wonder board, now is the time for a great Army. I don't think we have a good spot for the Forbidden Palace just yet, but maybe our next leader will feel differently.

Lots of war going on, everyone except the Mongols is against
us. Try for peace with Japan and China, then try to barter
Polytheism. We could still get the Great Lighthouse if you move
the leader to a coastal city. Lots of options for the next King.
We are still in despotism as we shut off research after Polytheism. Might still be wise to research Monarchy, as the civs
we know are warring too much to research.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Hot1_150_bc.zip
 
2 leaders?! Woot!
Careful about using the leader to rush the Lighthouse -- I assume that in combination with the Great Library it would trigger our Golden Age.
Maybe if we research Monarchy, revolt, then rush the Library [edit: Lighthouse] and GA? That's a lot of turns to hold a leader, I realize, and we might lose our chance at the Lighthouse. But, aside from holding the leader, it doesn't entail much in the way of resource costs that we wouldn't be spending anyway (since I would argue we should research monarchy even with the GL).
Then, as a monarchy in GA, we could wage war pretty effectively and carve out some room for ourselves -- something we need to do before all those chivalry UUs the AIs will have are roaming around looking for trouble.
The Army option, on the other hand, means devoting a high shield city (Seoul?) to a major build (Heroic Epic) -- something that might be a strain given the number of enemies we now face and the small number of cities we now have.
 
2 leaders :goodjob: !

I think perhaps an army is the best bet right now. We may want to wait on the Golden Age for now and hope to get Smiths and have a GA when our UU is available. We need to take take it to the Indians now and try to get a reasonable spot for the FP. Once we hit Monarchy we can start putting some gold into rushing projects, something I have found is the greatest benefit of a commercial civ. Other comments??

Roster:

Hotrod
Rowain
UU
Mystery13
Meldor (on deck)
Borealis <---- up now
 
Got it. I'll play later tonight, or early tomorrow. Researching Monarchy seems like our best bet at the moment, as well as using the leader to create an army. Taking out the Indians before they get the chance to build War Elephants is a must, as we can't stop their production by pillaging their resources. I'll have to look at the game when I get it to determine which Indian cities have sufficient culture to survive our attack, but in case I get another leader, what do people think would be a good choice for a FP location?
 
I don't think the FP spot is available yet. If we are going to take out India, our FP location probably will come to us.
We have quite a few elite units, so we should probably use the leader right away. I agree with UU though, that we probably can't afford to build the Heroic Epic right away.
The consensus is to go for Monarchy now even with the GL. Therefore, science must be turned back on right away. I think that is the proper move since the other known civs are not researching very fast.
 
Looking at the map I have to agree with Mystery. No site yet. After India losses a couple cities a site should be come available, maybe then we will have a leader to rush the FP either in or near Bombay. One thing I didn't think about was the possibilty of holding the leader until feudalism and snagging the SunZu away from the 3 militaristic civs on our continent :cooool:. I think the heroic epic is worth it but like UU and Mystery pointed out it is not going to come for a while. Following Monarchy we could rush some libraries and push toward Metallurgy then really make the others pay ;).

Hotrod
 
If we go for the army, let's build a sword army. Our main assault stacks are going to advance slowly anyway (ferrying our bombardment units).

An alternative way to play this is to rush the Lighthouse and try to maximize the early Golden Age -- preferrably by hitting India hard and starting FP production somewhere in her heartland (and meanwhile using our extra income to buy peace from other civs).

I would say, though, that landing one of our wonder requirements (a science wonder) takes some of the pressure off of our complicated GA question.

Too bad Colossus is located off-continent: capturing it, then building another wonder of any kind, would also trigger the GA.
 
The added benifit of the GL would mean possibly earlier contact with the other continent and improving our output from the Great Library. I could see it go either way. The best would be another leader to rush the FP well inside India ;). The other civs will all be in a GA after the dawn of Chivalry. Having ours now would mean taking India out rather quickly and using the GA to build a large force to destroy their core cities if not all of there territory.

I leave it up to Borealis.

Hotrod
 
Borealis: We are coming up on 48 hours. :scan: Will you be able to post before the holidays?

Realizing that the holidays will require a good deal of juggling it seems that a longer deadline will be required or a lot of swapping but if someone wants more time or a swap just post the request or give an indication of when the game will be posted. We moved rather well through the first cycle and I would like to see that pace continue best we can through the next week, week and a half.

Thanks

Hotrod
 
Any word from Borealis??? If she doesn't post tonight Meldor feel free to grab the game tomorrow and complete by Thursday evening or so. Then Borealis will be up again, back to the regular rotation.

Hotrod

Just a quick reply from either Borealis or Meldor to say what the status of the game is. A little info is better than speculation ;).
 
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