In what form should Mainland China and Taiwan be reunified?

[Darkwind]

Unlike the thread for Korea, I do not even want to ask Yes or No, as the overwhelming majority of Chinese population think it should be done. (Most people in mainland want reunification, as well as the government. For Taiwan, most want to stay status quo according multiple poll/survey since year 2000.) And the main point of this thread is HOW it should be done.

For more info, I suggest you go to wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_status_of_Taiwan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_independence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_reunification

Also, independence of Taiwan as a separate country is one of the 5 conditions that PRC say they may take military action; it is almost suicide if you see it from it military perspective. (US intervention is arguable, but I do not see conventional warfare a viable method.)

(Some wish TW can gain independence, who vote for DPP in the election in Taiwan, but they lost the last election anyways. The probability of that happening is like Texas ceding from USA.)

I will explain a bit on what it means:

1. Special Administration Zone: meaning Taiwan cannot elect their leader by one vote per person. It will be elected by a small percentage (like 1~5%) of the Taiwan population. The rule to select those 1~5% is decided by Beijing. They have their own seperate Legislative and Judiciary power. Keep their own currency and passports.

2. A reform of mainland China's political system, CCP, KMT and DPP can all be voted for. Ｂecome more like Taiwan's existing system.

3. Revolution in China, Taiwan comes back "as planned" 50 years ago: People in Tibet, Xinjiang have enough start to create unrest. Great Depression 2.0 in US+ Europe caused hard landing of China economy. Revolution to free mainland starts, Taiwan KMT come back like a hero, just as Chiang planned 50+ years ago.

4. Politically still separate, but economy essentially become one, Taiwan lose control of monetary policies.

5. Self explanatory. (You may think it is unthinkable, but youwill be surprise how many people would choose this if I ask this in Chinese forum.)

 

[Silurian]

Like Hong Kong

 

[Winner]

Taiwan is much bigger than Hong Kong. It could be an independent nation if the circumstances were favourable.

Which they're not, due to the extreme Chinese nationalism. I honestly don't know why they care so much.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Like Hong Kong

Most taiwanese don't want that.
The problem here is, how Chinese is Taiwan anyway. Yes, they speak mandarin and use chinese characters and I think most still consider themselves culturally Chinese, but it hasn't politically been part of China since 1895 if you don't subscribe to the absurd notion that the PRC is 22 rebel controlled renegade provinces.

 

[Oerdin]

With revolution against the corrupt communist one party state and the glorious Nationalist Army returning to take charge by the will of the people. Other wise I'd just settle for Taiwanese independence.

 

[Mise]

I don't see why the west can't continue to support Taiwanese self-determination.

 

[Winner]

I don't see why the west can't continue to support Taiwanese self-determination.

It does? In what universe?

The West (=here you mean the US, I suppose) is only interested in maintaining the status quo, which means informal independence.

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

You say most chinese favor it, do most tiwanese favor it?

 

[mayor]

should they?

 

[REDY]

With revolution against the corrupt communist one party state and the glorious Nationalist Army returning to take charge by the will of the people. Other wise I'd just settle for Taiwanese independence.

This.

 

[NovaKart]

I don't really see a reason why they should be united. I don't think just because two countries share a culture they have to be united as one.

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

Isn't Taiwan much richer than China?

 

[luiz]

I too don't see why they should be united. Maybe one day Mainland China will get over its insecurity and need to affirm itself and realize how idiotic its obsession with annexing Taiwan is.

 

[bathsheba666]

China will take it when they're ready to.

 

[aronnax]

I too don't see why they should be united. Maybe one day Mainland China will get over its insecurity and need to affirm itself and realize how idiotic its obsession with annexing Taiwan is.

PR China doesn't want to annex Taiwan. As far as it is concerned, Taiwan is part of China. PR China wants to liberate Taiwan from it's 'rebel' occupiers.


Though, I can understand why China wants to 'liberate' Taiwan so badly.

Imagine if an armed militant CSA rose and overthrew the USA and the USA government fled to Hawaii as CSA controls the remaining 49 states. Hawaii is an integral part of America, why give it up to an illegal government?

 

[Winner]

Imagine if an armed militant CSA rose and overthrew the USA and the USA government fled to Hawaii as CSA controls the remaining 49 states. Hawaii is an integral part of America, why give it up to an illegal government?

Hawaii is an integral part of America? Yeah - an island chain in the middle of the Pacific stolen by Americans under idiotic pretences from its rightful rulers, annexed, and settled with whites.

I still don't see why the mainland Chinese care so much - they don't need it for any rational reason, so it's just mindless nationalism. If the Taiwanese officially renounce claims on the mainland, the PRC should have no trouble recognizing its independence - again, if it wasn't for the mindless Chinese nationalism.

 

[aronnax]

Hawaii is an integral part of America? Yeah - an island chain in the middle of the Pacific stolen by Americans under idiotic pretences from its rightful rulers, annexed, and settled with whites.

Never said they got it by fair gain, just saying it's an integral part. By the way, Taiwan is an island in the Pacific stolen by Chinese people by driving its rightful rulers to the mountains, annexed and settled with Chinese.

I still don't see why the mainland Chinese care so much - they don't need it for any rational reason, so it's just mindless nationalism. If the Taiwanese officially renounce claims on the mainland, the PRC should have no trouble recognizing its independence - again, if it wasn't for the mindless Chinese nationalism.

If generic Czech Government drove the elected Czech Government to Czech Silesia and for some reason, couldn't militarily reach it, should the new generic Czech Government renounce it's claims on it?

 

[luiz]

PR China doesn't want to annex Taiwan. As far as it is concerned, Taiwan is part of China. PR China wants to liberate Taiwan from it's 'rebel' occupiers.


Though, I can understand why China wants to 'liberate' Taiwan so badly.

Imagine if an armed militant CSA rose and overthrew the USA and the USA government fled to Hawaii as CSA controls the remaining 49 states. Hawaii is an integral part of America, why give it up to an illegal government?

To make your analogy correct, the rebels actually won and overthrew the USA, and the USA government fled to Hawaii while Washington became the new rebel capital.

Anyway, the analogy is not good because unlike Hawaii, Taiwan was not really and integral part of China even before the Civil War.

 

[aronnax]

To make your analogy correct, the rebels actually won and overthrew the USA, and the USA government fled to Hawaii while Washington became the new rebel capital.

Exactly.

Anyway, the analogy is not good because unlike Hawaii, Taiwan was not really and integral part of China even before the Civil War.

Taiwan has been an administered part of China since 1683 when the Qing state annexed the Kingdom of Tungning on Taiwan. It continued to be part of the Qing State, first as a prefecture of the Fuijian province and in 1885, as it's own Taiwan province, when it was ceded over to Japan in 1895. After WWII, Japan was forced to return the island of Taiwan back to China (ROC). Whether or not you think ROC is the legitimate government or PRC is or ROC was the legitimate government until 1972 and PRC as the legitimate government hence after, from 1683 - 1895 and then from 1945 to now, Taiwan is a province of China.

 

[Godwynn]

Taiwan should never be reunited with mainland China as long as the latter remains an undemocratic hell-hole.