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So your issue is with the fact that they gave their agreement a name that you disagree with...
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NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
Its not the same, because I didn't declare war on France, if I had then yes the USNA would have had no right to intervene (only if we had an alliance) but FRANCE DECLARED WAR ON ME so the USNA by all rights of the DP has a right to intervene.
Then why are there two seperate DOW periods? They obviously mean nothing at this point.
Might as well allow secret attacks too if we're going this far.
Don't strawman me. I disagree with the fact that the aggressor nation is calling upon defensive pacts in the response period, none of which is allowed. Aggressor nation has nullified defensive pacts by going on the offense, and the response period is for the victim in the war, not the aggressor. If you allow both, might as well just cancel the distinction between the two and screw over any victim in any war in this game.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
DoW Response is 96 hours so they declared war within the time frame, the USNA and Medd. ones are considered a response.
I had a defensive pact with France, you declared war on me, so they have a right to respond to that.
You on the other hand, do not have a right to call on your DP as you instigated the war in the first place. Let alone during the response period.
Response period is for victims, not aggressors.
If that distinction isn't left to stand, then the rules have been warped beyond meaning.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
Yes but they didn't declare war on Istanbul (you) they declared war on France, who declared war one ME, so they have a right to use the DP effect!
Alright, time for a person not in the war's view.
Turkey, Russia and Bosnia DoW Instanbul.
Caliphate and France DoW Turkey, Russia, and Bosnia.
Alright, we can all agree each of those is valid, so here comes the responses for USNA and Catalonia.
Both USNA and Catalonia declare war on Isnabul, France, and Caliphate.
Technically they can do that, however, only with the last two. The people they had a DP with were declared war on by France and the Caliphate, and thus only those two can be DoWed because of their DP with Bosnia. If Istanbul DoWs them to help their allies / DP, only then will they be at war with France and Catalonia.
Turkey, Russia and Bosnia DoW Instanbul.
Caliphate and France DoW Turkey, Russia, and Bosnia.
Alright, we can all agree each of those is valid, so here comes the responses for USNA and Catalonia.
Both USNA and Catalonia declare war on Isnabul, France, and Caliphate.
Technically they can do that, however, only with the last two. The people they had a DP with were declared war on by France and the Caliphate, and thus only those two can be DoWed because of their DP with Bosnia. If Istanbul DoWs them to help their allies / DP, only then will they be at war with France and Catalonia.
So they're staring a separate war?
Can't do that outside of the original DOW period.
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Because the response DoWs were against nations that declared war. I don't see any issue with what has transpired mechanics wise. Your only problem seems to be that nations "honored a DP" for an aggressor but that isn't really a problem either.
The nations declared, in response, to original DoWs. They didn't declare completely different wars. I think the better question is whether there's some kind of punishment for them given their DPs (logically) shouldn't cover aggressive actions but I don't think the DoWs themselves should be blocked.
The Response/Original system still stands. I can't, for example, declare war on the Empire of California out of the blue right now (not that I'm going to Omega)
Caliphate and France were response DOW's.
Since when can a response DOW have a response DOW?
No, that's rule breaking and doesn't make sense.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
I wasn't gonna tell you guys this but you made me, the DP was a cover up, I mean we first had a DP then before the war started we expanded it into an alliance called the Handschar look at the group date, so tehy also have the right to join because they are also my allies.
JohannaK
Heroically Clueless
Well, this is pretty much useless now, isn't it?
They declared war, in response. Since when do we allow response response DOW's outside of the original DOW period?
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
They have a right to join in the original period, not the response period.
Response is intended to allow for the victim's in the war time to gather up their allies and declares responses. It is not intended for the aggressors to bring in all their allies, because they forgot to do it in the original 48 hours.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
Then I claim I'm a victim of France and Hejdaz so I needed time to gather up my allies.
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Because it wouldn't make sense if people can't respond to a response declaration. All this stuff is happening within a few hours of each other so why would someone wait all the way to next year to actually respond to a response DoW?
But you can't claim that, you started the war.
Terrance888
Discord Reigns
This really makes me want to declare war on you.
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