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Is anyone here not autistic?

I don't think I am.

It seems to me most mental disorders are just natural variations of personality at the ends of scale. Feel uncomfortably moralistic throwing them around.
 
Let's be real these kinds of ultra-detailed games like the older Civs are bug-zappers to autistic people like myself. The % of the population here is gonna be hilariously skewed.
 
I cannot think one of you I could confidently say doesn’t seem like you’re on the spectrum. The format doesn’t help. Nor the game that is the source of us coming here. But every person I think “but what about?” Yep definitely them too.


Edit: this should go without saying but we all come with personal, regional, generational etc baggage and this is in no way an insult, a diss, or otherwise pejorative.

Not autistic. Definitely not autistic.
 
Nothing up with me noggin, my eyes are just cooked.
 
personally: my mental illness means i share a lot of traits with the autistic spectrum. if i didn't have the other symptoms, i would've probably been diagnosed with aspergers. still waiting to looking into having it formally diagnosed, however it's somewhere down the line, i have other things to deal with before it becomes a relevant question (a lot of the symptoms may just go away as i get certain forms of treatment elsewhere)

rest of yall: no clue, really. it's not something i usually think about. it's also really hard to tell online.
 
I don't think I am.

It seems to me most mental disorders are just natural variations of personality at the ends of scale. Feel uncomfortably moralistic throwing them around.
I came in to say something like that but you put it more succulently.

In 200 years (should humanity make it) these personality cluster 'disorders' will be viewed the way we now view the four humors theory of personality.
 
I came in to say something like that but you put it more succulently.

In 200 years (should humanity make it) these personality cluster 'disorders' will be viewed the way we now view the four humors theory of personality.

Which mental health conditions don't you believe are real? Can we get a list?
 
Which mental health conditions don't you believe are real? Can we get a list?
Which mental health conditions don't you believe are real? Can we get a list?

Like V said human cognition & behavior are a spectrum. It's not for me to tell other people who they are or what their strengths or limitations are as I only know my own experience.

I'll throw out all the ones I was diagnosed with (as chronologically as I can recall) and comment on those.

ADHD : got this one @ age 6, my mom was obsessed with 'figuring out what was 'wrong' with me' (couldn't be her or my dad of course) and the psychiatric industry was happy to 'help'. ADHD is characterized by dislike of sitting still & being bored by s*** that's of no interest or relevance to one's live & the desire to move around, joke around & generally not be subject to arbitrary rules or authority in a factory farm education setting. Guilty as charged. Also, ADHD kids can typically focus very well when self-directed & left alone to pursue what they want to. Also guilty. So do I score high in this cluster of traits? For sure! Do I think I have a brain/behavior 'disorder' that needs medical intervention? Absolutely not. The doctors who treated me & my parents & educators to whom this 'disorder' was inconvenient/disruptive thought differently & I was put on speed (Ritalin) at age 7.


Autism : My anxious mom brought me to a bunch of docs, one postulated I may have slight autism, meh, I don't think I do, more like this grown man getting all up in my s*** at age six & I didn't want to engage with him so I seemed autistic. This is the problem with no objective criteria for measuring these 'disorders'.


Depression : Back in '92 it was known as simply depression or major depression. There's some dignity in that label, crisp & to the point. Now it's 'major depressive disorder' which uses more words to say less and is less honoring & more pathologizing.

Was I depressed @ age 13? Absolutely! I'm not going to go into the traumas I was dealing with at that time. Did I think depression is real? Absolutely, it certainly felt real af. The symptom list fit me to a T, even down to dry mouth. I could type for hours about my issues with depression but I don't care to. Depression is very real & I suffered with it for about a decade (I still deal with depression now but not to the level I did at age 13-23, it's more like a low grade anhedonia now that coats my life).

The way I was treated was with a slew of antidepressants. Prozac was trendy at the time so I was put on that first. It did reduce my depression somewhat but it also numbed me out, minor de-personalization you could call it. With my unmedicated depression I would avoid conflict at all costs, on Prozac I lost some of my sensitivity, I became like low-grade sociopathic, if I kid wanted to fight me, I would fight, when I rode my bicycle down the street I'd swerve & take risks for fun, I flew off once I sliced up my leg & stomach & barely cared. When, years later the Columbine shootings happened & it came out that Dylan Roof was on anti-depressants I wasn't surprised. I don't want to be hyperbolic here, at no point at this time was I actively suicidal (or homicidal) but I got a taste of what that might feel like so to speak.

I quit Prozac tho because of sexual side effects, my mother made sure I got on some new drugs almost immediately. All in all from age 7 to 23 I was on at least 20 different drugs.


BiPolar/Manic Depression : At 15 I was put on Wellbutrin (Bupropion). Long story short it made me more pro-social/acceptable in the eyes of my caretakers (I was no longer living w my parents @ this point) but it also made me extremely manic. Once I didn't sleep for 72 hours, I became a bit delusional at this point (as one tends to get after 72 hours of no sleep). I was diagnosed with BiPolar & put on more drugs (the usual mania/anti-seizure drugs used for manic depression).

Do I think that was the correct diagnosis (playing along that these diagnoses have merit/are useful)? No. This was medication induced. I have no manic symptoms now & since I quit pharmaceuticals in 2003 I've had zero instances of mania (a little hypo-mania now & then with friends but that's part of a good life [party]).

Oppositional Defiant Disorder : Collected this pokemon at age 15 and obviously it's my favorite. Won't say much but if you're a healthy teenager in our sick society & you don't have at least a touch of this you're kind of a puss. Do I think it's real? For me? No. When I was awarded it I was going thru a lot of mistreatment at the hands of those who were supposed to care for me so this diagnosis (in my case) was simply gaslighting.

That's just my experience (a very, very cliffnotes version of it). If these labels are helpful/useful for you, embrace them. But I would never want to artificially limit anyone else's range in terms of personality/capacity by applying them (especially not a young person who's identity is very much in flux). The concept that an 'expert' (someone steeped in the lore of the DSM) can meet for an hour or less with a child, understanding very little of their family, history or peer group besides some cookie cutter questions and accurately diagnose a 'disorder' that then becomes a core part of their identity (both self-identity & the identity as seen by parents/teachers/peers) is... well, I think it's largely profit driven, to provide quick & reassuring 'answers' with a shallow analysis is not in line with the Hippocratic oath, IMO.

I find it curious that those who are quick to point out the perils of Capitalism in other aspects of the medical industry & society/identity formation at large largely steer clear of this subject as taboo. Perhaps Scientology & other anti-psychiatric movements play some part in this? Or perhaps they don't want to offend those for whom psychiatric identities or drugs provide comfort. I can understand that and I hope I've made my opinions understood without giving offense (without watering down the fact that I suffered from medical malpractice & had my brain f-ed with again & again without my consent).

I'll come back to autism again, my elder daughter fits many criteria for it. I'll go into the personal details of her life not at all. I have my own theories about her of course as parents tend to do about their children. I don't think of her as 'autistic', she's simply Mara and as I would any other child (or friend, or myself) I try to nurture the best parts of her & accept or at least tolerate aspects I'm not a fan of. If she wants to have autistic as an identity, whatever, I wouldn't argue (altho she doesn't talk about it much) as long as she doesn't see herself as deficient or disorders or incapable (keep in mind ADD stands for attention DEFICIT DISORDER). IMO, in general these labels are gaslighting, throwing 'disorder' or 'deficient' onto the individual whereas really it's the society that's got the disorder not the individual (but maybe you'll chalk that up to my ODD! :)).
 
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I'll also add that given the ever rising anxiety/depression/mental-illness levels over the past decades it may be a good time to rethink the medicalization/pathologization of personality. Examining the roots of our suffering & dysfunction systemically instead of assigning the disorderness to individuals is a monumental task but solving monumental tasks is what humans are going to have to do this century regardless so may as get started.
 
I'll also add that given the ever rising anxiety/depression/mental-illness levels over the past decades it may be a good time to rethink the medicalization/pathologization of personality. Examining the roots of our suffering & dysfunction systemically instead of assigning the disorderness to individuals is a monumental task but solving monumental tasks is what humans are going to have to do this century regardless so may as get started
The most radical analysis is "environment bad right now" but this is usually the one with the most truth.
 
Trains genuinely go so hard though. Whenever I am feeling down I look at pictures of Hong Kong’s public transit system. Instant pick-me-up.
Same, though old steamers do it for me.
 
I imagine those experiences are more widespread than we'd like to believe: parents or elders applying this retro "I was never like that at my age [even though I was], therefore there' something wrong with this child who needs meds". Like, who's going to advocate on behalf of the child against that? The child will then come to believe it.
 
I'll also add that given the ever rising anxiety/depression/mental-illness levels over the past decades it may be a good time to rethink the medicalization/pathologization of personality. Examining the roots of our suffering & dysfunction systemically instead of assigning the disorderness to individuals is a monumental task but solving monumental tasks is what humans are going to have to do this century regardless so may as get started.
There's a lot of analysis of the roots you're talking about. It's assigned to a position on the political spectrum and frequently derided as being idealistic, unrealistic or just too darn out of touch.

Could be related to negative feelings, I dunno.
 
The most radical analysis is "environment bad right now" but this is usually the one with the most truth.

I imagine those experiences are more widespread than we'd like to believe: parents or elders applying this retro "I was never like that at my age [even though I was], therefore there' something wrong with this child who needs meds". Like, who's going to advocate on behalf of the child against that? The child will then come to believe it.
The profit is in pathologizing the individual, if it's a child who doesn't have the power to resist all the better.

There's a lot of analysis of the roots you're talking about. It's assigned to a position on the political spectrum and frequently derided as being idealistic, unrealistic or just too darn out of touch.
To expect the current system to change is likely unrealistic but reality is too depressing so one has to do what one can.

Hanging on in quiet desperation may be the English way but I prefer to go for more even if dubbed grandiose thinking (not a specific DSM label but a fun one a shrink gave me & my mom cleaved onto). Active optimism is necessary to keep moving forward. If you're wrong & your life was for nought, at least you tried.

Sentient beings are numberless; I vow to save them.
Desires are inexhaustible; I vow to put an end to them.
The dharmas are boundless; I vow to master them.
The buddha way is unattainable; I vow to attain it.


Playing a game of Civ for 8 straight hours counts as something. :smug:
Hard to create empires & make our mark IRL but in Civ we can be heroes. I'm surprised more people don't have gaming addiction.
 
Tbh, would autistic people really choose civ that often? It has quite a few things left to chance, making approximations be general.
Perhaps something like factorio would be more in their style (?). There the only chance parameter is location of aliens, distance of minerals to each other, and existence of land (iirc you can't turn land to sea, although you can turn sea to land), and all three are very secondary.
Here is a reddit thread on the topic:
 
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Hanging on in quiet desperation may be the English way
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Now you're gonna make me listen to the whole album for the enth time again...thank you!
 
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