Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Mise]

Bookies odds are massively skewed for Remain now. http://www.oddschecker.com/politics...-on-eu-membership-result?selectionName=remain

Most have Remain odds on, between 1/6 and 1/12.

 

[Arakhor]

Interesting.

 

[hoplitejoe]

The journalist Suzanne Moore, writing in The Guardian, said that she was forced out of the Leave camp by the likes of UKIP and their shameless recent poster and feels that simply abstaining from voting would be a great disservice in light of the death of Jo Cox. Of course, that's only one view in a largely liberal newspaper, but I doubt it's unique.

Baroness Warsi swapped sides pretty late as well.

"When I look at the people who are now saying the things they are saying and the people who are supporting that approach, the BNP, Donald Trump, Marine le Pen, Austria's Freedom Party - every day it feels like the far right is coming out to stand by Leave."

here

 

[Arakhor]

Well, I suppose you have to hand it to various Leavers for making "the Turks are coming!" a rallying call for the first time since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Konstantinos XI would be proud.

 

[Kyriakos]

^Pretty sure you know that it was the murder of an MP by a nobody, which won (?) the vote for remain. You should be proud to be on the same side as the Daily Fail

 

[BvBPL]

Does anyone know at what time today the results will be in?

 

[Lillefix]

First results in about 7 hours. Final in about 14.

 

[hoplitejoe]

^Pretty sure you know that it was the murder of an MP by a nobody.

*assassinated by a far right extremist who gave his name in court as "death to traitors, freedom for Britain" and committed the only far right lead assassination of an MP in the UK ever.

No idea why this would make people reflect on the more toxic side of the leave campaign!

You should be proud to be on the same side as the Daily Fail

Daily Mail are part of the reason this attack happened. Constant paranoid fear mongering over immigration. The death of the newspaper in the UK can't come soon enough.

 

[EnglishEdward]

BTW there has been a recent major issue where Merkel did not get what she wanted. After the Greek referundum on their debt she wanted to drop Greece and not lend them any more money. But the combined pressure of Hollande, Tusk and Tzipras made her agree to the crappy deal they eventually signed

I don't disagree.

IMO a default would have been better than debt in perpetuity.

So the French contributed to that and it is not all the Germans' fault.

 

[Arakhor]

^Pretty sure you know that it was the murder of an MP by a nobody, which won (?) the vote for remain. You should be proud to be on the same side as the Daily Fail

That might well be one of the reasons, if it happens, but given that the Daily Fail is still bellyaching about an immigration level equal to 0.5% of our overall population as if this is anything other than the Government's failure to cater for such a tiny increase despite the refugee crisis, I think I can safely say that I am unlikely to ever be on the same side as the Fail.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Well, I suppose you have to hand it to various Leavers for making "the Turks are coming!" a rallying call for the first time since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Konstantinos XI would be proud.

Do you not think that there is some inconsistency in David Cameron telling the Turks he supports their application for the EU which is I believe the official UK line and then telling the UK voters that they will not be joining for what was it 30 years?

 

[Dachs]

An individual asked Scottish Grindr users about the referendum before mods eventually shut him down, and posted the results on Tumblr.

Warning: swears.

 

[EnglishEdward]

.. the Government's failure to cater for such a tiny increase despite the refugee crisis...Fail.

I am sure David Cameron would be delighted to hear of your suggestions
as to how he can manufacture more real estate e.g. land for them to live on.

Pending that, I am not sure what the government has failed at with the refugees.

 

[EnglishEdward]

You brought up the greatest shining example of all of Europe's states cooperating to bring down a megalomaniacal dictator...as

No I did not, that is all strawman and so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

I used the term napoleonic

This is in the context of a powerful state being inherently dangerous
in that it can be taken over by a powerful person.

 

[Arakhor]

Do you not think that there is some inconsistency in David Cameron telling the Turks he supports their application for the EU which is I believe the official UK line and then telling the UK voters that they will not be joining for what was it 30 years?

I wasn't aware he'd specified an exact number of years, but I think it highly unlikely that Turkey will be joining for years to come, especially if they are only just entering talks now. There is also the small matter of a complimentary government and so on.

I am sure David Cameron would be delighted to hear of your suggestions as to how he can manufacture more real estate e.g. land for them to live on.
Pending that, I am not sure what the government has failed at with the refugees.

You failed to remove 'Fail' from the end of the quote, making it look like I had written a Facebook clickbait post. That said, if the government has not failed the country regarding immigration and it's within entirely tolerable levels, what exactly is all the hysteria about?

 

[BvBPL]

An individual asked Scottish Grindr users about the referendum before mods eventually shut him down, and posted the results on Tumblr.

Warning: swears.

That's awesome. THanks for posting it.

 

[Dachs]

No I did not, that is all strawman and so the rest of your post is irrelevant.

I used the term napoleonic

This is in the context of a powerful state being inherently dangerous
in that it can be taken over by a powerful person.

Oh, I'm sorry, I assumed you were actually saying something substantive (albeit wrong) instead of...whatever the hell this is supposed to mean. Bonaparte's coup had even less to do with the EU than his Empire did!

 

[Oruc]

Nah were never leaving, the country is going to rot.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

The journalist Suzanne Moore, writing in The Guardian, said that she was forced out of the Leave camp by the likes of UKIP and their shameless recent poster and feels that simply abstaining from voting would be a great disservice in light of the death of Jo Cox. Of course, that's only one view in a largely liberal newspaper, but I doubt it's unique.

If she did that's really sad. What UKIP do or don't do shouldn't have any influence on anything. A vote to leave is not for them and they won't be the party in power making any decisions if the Leave vote wins anyway. If she can't judge the issues on their own merits and can only vote as if it's a popularity contest between personalities then she should shut up and realise she's not the right person to be advising anyone on how to vote.

 

[Lexicus]

If she did that's really sad. What UKIP do or don't do shouldn't have any influence on anything. A vote to leave is not for them and they won't be the party in power making any decisions if the Leave vote wins anyway. If she can't judge the issues on their own merits and can only vote as if it's a popularity contest between personalities then she should shut up and realise she's not the right person to be advising anyone on how to vote.

I disagree, I think it's sensible to judge political stuff (like referendum issues or candidates) based on their supporters. None of this stuff exists in a vacuum - 'the merits' of something can definitely include the, like, process of it. One of the major reasons I started out strongly supporting Bernie Sanders but became much more half-hearted about him over time, is that I realized lots of his supporters are about as odious as a lot of Trump supporters.

I can't quite put into words why I thought that mattered, but it did matter to me. An English guy I know recently said that he inclines toward Remain, but even had he inclined toward Leave he would not have been able to bring himself to vote for it due to how horrible he thought the Leave campaign was, with all the lies, racism, xenophobia and so forth.