Leaders of never before seen Civs - Elimination thread

[Morningcalm]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 25
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Eva Perón (Argentina) - 11 - 3 = 8 (The worst option remaining due to her relative lack of accomplishments and lack of power. People too often go for glamour in the form of Eva or Cleopatra over more noteworthy historical leaders who had more success and actually ruled the country. There are better Argentine leaders out there, like José de San Martín, who I would be much more happy to upvote.)
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 24
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 25 + 1 = 26 (A woman with actual power and distinctive appearance, an iyoba (Queen Mother) who led military expeditions and focused her energies on ensuring her son ruled well.)
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) -16
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 15

 

[Siptah]

@Siptah Why do you want to see Algeria in the game? Just curious.

For historical reasons that could lead to nice abilities: in the 60s-80s it was a major diplomatic player and supporter of independence movements for all kinds of countries. Algiers must have been among the most interesting places in the world. It's worth reading about it.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 25
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Eva Perón (Argentina) - 8
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 24
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 26+1=27 - She was a good leader and she led an interesting African Civ. And she's a woman, too.
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) -16
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 15-3=12 - Yes, he fought with the Ottoman Empire. But that's probably the only thing that makes him a little bit good choice. There are many sources that say that Vlad was a very cruel and brutal man. And he eventually lost, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 25
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Eva Perón (Argentina) - (8-3)=5 A non-leader of a Civ I could care less about. Argentina is too European for me, and their Conquest of the Desert/Fuegian genocide gives me a negative opinion about them.
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 24
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) -16
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - (12+1)=13 @Kimiimaro, you must have personal beef against Vlad, did he murder any Czechs? He's still the most interesting choice of leader for Romania.

 

[Morningcalm]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 25
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Eva Perón (Argentina) - 5 - 3 = 2 (Not a great leader.)
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 24 + 1 = 25 (A great choice to lead the Maori, another Civ like Benin that would flesh out the diversity of the civs in the game).
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) -16
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 13

 

[God of Kings]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 25
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Eva Perón (Argentina) - 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED Being the subject of a hit musical doesn't save her from the axe
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25 + 1 = 26 It's time to give the Maori their own civ
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) -16
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 13

 

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 25+1=26 - He was so great that Czechs call him "the father of the country".
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) -16
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 13-3=10 - @Guandao, I don't know if he killed any Czechs, I only know that sources say he killed 40 000-100 000 people Which makes him quite controversial choice. Also, we can have Bulgaria or Serbia instead of Romania.

 

[TahamiTsunami]

My first post on here so hopefully its off to a good start. This looks like quite a tough elimination thread in my opinion since I could easily see all of these leaders being good choices to lead these civs if they make it into the game.

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 26
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) - 16 - 3 = 13 Again this is such a hard choice since all these leaders are worthy of leading their civs and Timur isn't an exception to that (I'd have no complaints if they got in the game), but I have to choose someone and admittedly I'm not quite as excited about this civ as I am some of the others. If there are some interesting facts that put him above some of the other leaders here feel free to let me know.
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 10 + 1 = 11 Not only is he arguably the most iconic leader of Romania but I believe he is also one of the more interesting choices for a game with a focus on leaders with big personalities. I don't doubt that he did some cruel things but it seems like some parts of his cruelty were exaggerated by his rivals. I've also heard that Vlad had a strong sense of justice and that some of his crueler acts were done to bring public order back to an unruly country. This was done while he was fighting the better funded and much larger Ottoman forces and who knows what else he could've accomplished if he wasn't imprisoned by his rivals/allies. Controversial, perhaps. Interesting, fun, and unique, I'd say so.

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 26
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) - (13-3)=10 Genghis Khan is better as a warlord, since Timur was copying his act. His empire didn't last too long after his death either.
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - (11+1)=12 I keep supporting him because I find him an interesting historical figure and possibly the best leader choice for Romania. I like the idea of Bulgaria in the game, but since its leaders aren't present in this thread...

 

[Xandinho]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 26 + 1 = 27 Seems to me a decent choice to lead Bohemia
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) - 10 - 3 = 7 I'm not particularly interested in Timurid Empire. It not even lasted much time. It would only seem to me to be one of those civs centered on one leader, like Macedon.
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 12

 

[Guatenadian]

Hope ya'll don't mind if I join. I agree with the choice of getting rid of Macdonald, if Canada ended up in the game Macdonald would not be the best leader.

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 28 (27+1) You know what, I have to support @Kimiimaro, I have to respect his want for Bohemia.
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) - 4 (7-3) Not interested in the Timurid Empire.
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 12

 

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 28
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25+1=26 - I think Italy should appear someday. And the best form would be Italy led by at least two city-states. I wish Venice for trade, and Florence for culture. And Lorenzo de' Medici is a great choice for cultural Florence.
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) - 4-3=1 - It seems that Timur's fall is inevitable. He would be a nice alternative to Genghis Khan's Mongolia, but Genghis and Mongolia are better.
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 12

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 28
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 26
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Timur (Timurid Empire) - 1-3=0 Eliminated! He was never an alternative to Genghis. Because he was not a Mongol.
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - (12+1)=13 Still the best choice for a Romanian leader

 

[Morningcalm]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 28
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26 + 1 = 27 (Rather iconic Maori leader.)
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 26
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 13 - 3 = 10 (While certainly interesting, his agenda not matching that of Dracula might cause consternation, and he had numerous failures despite early successes against the Ottomans)

 

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 28
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 27
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 26+1=27 - Let's just say I want Italy as a Civ a lot.
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 22
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 10-3=7 -

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - (28-3)=25 Another Holy Roman Emperor...Plus I rather have Hungary instead of Czech Republic.
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 27
Nemequene (Muisca) - 24
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 27
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - (22+1)=23 Often vilified by Europeans, she's the most interesting choice for a Malagasy ruler, and recent historians have re-evaluated her reign in the context of the times as defending against French encroachment. I like Madagascar to represent the East African coast instead of the Swahili (whose best rulers we barely know anything about).
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 7 I'll let my friend Vladdy fall, since he's not PC

 

[Guatenadian]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 25
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 27
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25 (24+1) A Civ that would be much better than Gran Colombia and would make sure that South America doesn't have just two Civs. Plus he would have some great abilities related to war.
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24 (27-3) Don't get me wrong I would like to see Italy, but not before the other ones on this list.
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 23
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 7

 

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 25+1=26 - Maybe he was "another Holy Roman Emperor", but he was one of the best Holy Roman Emperors. And he is probably the best choice for to lead the Kingdom of Bohemia as a Civ.
Dihya (Berbers) - 18
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 27
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 23
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 7-3=4 - Let's end his suffering. Two more votes.

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 26
Dihya (Berbers) - (18-3)=15 She's a Boudicca type of figure (she ultimately failed in her resistance against the Arab invaders), and I rather have Morocco return instead of the Berbers (despite my interest in hearing a Berber language spoken in the game).
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 27
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 23
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - (24+1)=25 Along with her father, one of the greatest rulers of medieval Georgia. A strong choice for a female leader.
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 4

 

[TahamiTsunami]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 26
Dihya (Berbers) - 15
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 27
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24 - 3 = 21 He sounds like a really interesting guy and his skills in diplomacy, finance, and his patronage of the arts are definitely admirable. That being said, I personally still find Vlad to be a more unique leader.
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 23
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 23
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 23
Tamar (Georgia) - 24
Vlad the Impaler (Romania/Wallachia) - 4 + 1 = 5 I think he's still worth fighting for. Out of the leaders here, he's the one who arguably had the most stacked against him. Not only was he facing one of the largest and most powerful empires in history, but he did so while also trying to reduce crime in an unruly country, removing the corrupt boyars, and occasionally getting imprisoned by his allies for their own political reasons. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who could do as well as he did while having such unfavorable odds. While he was undoubtedly harsh, few can deny that Vlad was incorruptible in his quest for justice and independence. Shame he couldn't make it to the top during the month of Halloween but at this point I think we can all agree that Vlad, and everyone else in this list, would make an excellent addition to the leaders of Civ 6.