Leaders of never before seen Civs - Elimination thread

[Kimiimaro]

Why would New Zealand becoming a British colony during Hongi Hika's reign be an argument against his inclusion in Civ? We have had Pocatello (Shoshone lands became American during his lifetime), Sitting Bull (same here), and even Cleopatra (who lost her lands to Rome). It's hard to find good or well attested Maori leaders from the period before colonization.

Kimiimaro has proven himself to be Eurocentrist.

Becoming a colony = losing of independence, maybe? And didn't Sitting Bull and Pocatello fight against Americans? Also, I'm against Cleopatra

But I've just read the annexation of NZ occured about 12 years after Hongi Hika's death. Very well... I'll change my reason

Ehm... I'm still missing Korea, Carthage, Babylon, the Incan Empire, Maya, Mongolia, Morocco, Mali/Songhai, Ethiopia, more leaders for India and China, and some more... And you call me Eurocentrist? I denounce you!

Does the Ottoman Empire count as the middle East? Because I miss it too!

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 9-3=6 Needs to be less a Eurocentric list and I prefer Italy
Hongi Hika (Maori) -23
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 25
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 23+1=24 - The tech and civic tree would be way shorter if they had not started the Renaissance
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 26
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - (6-3)=3 I'm less excited for Bohemia becoming a Civ, than I am for the others.
Hongi Hika (Maori) -(23+1)=24 JFD thinks he makes a good Mod leader for the Maori , it's either him or Te Rauparaha who are the most suitable leaders for them. And I would like Polynesia to be replaced by the Maori.
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 25
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) -24
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 26
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[God of Kings]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED Sorry Kimiimaro, but someone had to go
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 24 + 1 = 25 Fascinating culture
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 25
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) -24
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 26
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Kimiimaro]

I will miss you, king Charles.
In round two or three (probably three), I'll pick some Czech king who wasn't an emperor, maybe it'll help

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 25
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) -24+1=25 - Lorenzo now has my full support, because I'd really like to see Italian Civ in game..
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 26-3=23 - It's not I dislike her - I still didn't decide who I dislike most. And she has most points, so she takes a hit
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Morningcalm]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 25 + 1 = 26 (A mighty and influential warrior Queen Mother who had lasting influence.)
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 23 - 3 = 20 (Arguably a successful ruler in some ways, but her harsh measures resulted in the deaths of many of her subjects, and ultimately failed to block foreign influence. Also, while unique, I don't see how Madagascar should be included in the game over the other rulers and civs on the list)
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25 Probably my next downvote since so little is known about him, despite his successful founding of a mighty empire.
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Guandao]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 26
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - (25-3)=22 I'm convinced some form of Italy will make it to Civ6, while the other Civs aren't guaranteed. I'm just less excited for Italy's appearance than the others (I played too much Assassin's Creed 2 ). Tough choices have to be made.
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - (20+1)=21 Yes, she had harsh measures which led to her subjects deaths and failed to stop foreign influence (like almost all of the African rulers), but I still would like to see Madagascar become a Civ. It's a better choice to represent Eastern Africa south of Ethiopia than the Swahili (whose greatest leaders we know less about). That's just my personal opinion.
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25 I wonder if Yaa Asantewaa is a better choice to lead the Ashanti?
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

I won't get too upset about Ranavalona I falling. We still have the King with the really long name (Andriamoiniperina or something similar), who could be suitable for Madagascar's leader.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 26
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22+1=23 - Florence was place where a new era started. I think it deserves to be a Civ. And Lorenzo de' Medici is a good choice to lead it. It would be truly an amazing cultural Civ. Oh, and Santa Maria del Fiore could be finally added as a wonder with it!
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 21
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25-3=22 - I think I'd rather see Mali, Songhai or Benin as Civs to represent West Africa.
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 26
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy)-23+1=24 As Italy with its Capital being Florence
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 21
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti)-22-3=19 Same reasons as above however I would rather see Mali or possibly Benin
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Guandao]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 26
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy)-(24-3)=21 I don't find the Culture game fun anymore. Spamming National Parks and Resorts....it seems like Italy will definitely be geared towards Culture if added (with some boosted Great Artist points or something). I'm not opposed to Italy appearing in Civ6, but I'm less excited for it then the others here. Its familiarity to me makes me less interested in playing them.
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 21
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti)-(19+1)=20 I'm not against Ashanti being in the game (Firaxis also seems open to the idea, with Kumasi as a City-State). The question is if Osei Kofi Tutu I is the best leader choice for the Ashanti. I definitely would like to hear Morningcalm' assessment of him and whether enough of his life is known.
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Morningcalm]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25 + 1 = 26 (Epitomizes the proud Maori warrior chief, and was often a delegate to foreign shores. While not a Maori king as such, he was a pivotal figure in Maori history.)
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 26
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 21
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 21 - 3 = 18 (I don't think Madagascar is a worthy civ to include in the game over say Ethiopia, Benin or the Ashanti. More importantly though, this is about the leader--Ranavalona I was not the worst leader, but she met with failure in many ways, even if her struggle was valiant, she did fight that struggle with high mortality rates among her people. I'm also not a huge fan of her likely anti-trade/anti-foreign influence agenda)
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 20
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Kimiimaro]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 26
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 21+1=22 - Same reasons as always - Italy should be added, Florence is the place where Renaissance was born, Lorenzo de' Medici is a great choice to lead it.
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 18
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 20-3=17 - He's not a bad choice, I just prefer Mali, Songhai or Benin to represent West Africa.
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Vahnstad]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 26
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 18 - 3 = 15 Only one i rather don't have.
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 17
Tamar (Georgia) - 25 + 1 = 26 I like them all, but you have to take a choice, and this one would be iconic.

 

[Guandao]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - (25+1)=26 The Muisca would be a good choice for a second South Amerindian Civ, and Nemequene is a solid choice to lead it. Leugi used him as the leader in his Muisca mod.
Idia (Benin) - 26
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22 I'll leave Ezio's boss alone for today
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - (15-3)=12 Even though I like the idea of Madagascar being a playable Civ, I have to agree with Morningcalm that Ranavalona I wasn't that great of a leader. Her anti-foreign agenda isn't bad per say (and totally understandable when you have French desiring your lands), but she did cause a lot of her own people to die. There are several Malagasy Kings before her who would make better leaders in Civ.
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 17
Tamar (Georgia) - 26

I do think Firaxis would be tempted to use Ranavalona I as a leader though, because she's female. Antananarivo has been a City-State twice in Civ....

 

[Morningcalm]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 26
Idia (Benin) - 26 + 1 = 27 (A female icon in African lore, very successful in managing the affairs of her state, ensuring her son ruled well, with her magic, political acumen, and warrior skill. She epitomized and began the trend of powerful Queen Mothers (Iyoba) in Benin. Also, we have a good idea of what she looked like due to numerous sculptures and also an iconic mask of her.)
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 12 - 3 = 9 (While not one of the worst leaders in history, her actions did raise the mortality rate of her own people, and she ultimately failed to keep out foreign influence. I also don't like the idea of Madagascar as a civ)
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 17
Tamar (Georgia) - 26

 

[Kimiimaro]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 26
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22+1=23 - I'd really like to see Italy in game.
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 9-3=6 - It seems that her downfall is inevitable. Let's finish her.
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 17
Tamar (Georgia) - 26

 

[Guandao]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - (26+1)=27 The Maori should replace the Blob Polynesian Civ. And Hongi Hika is a decent choice to lead it (though he did encourage Pakeha/White settlement).
Nemequene (Muisca) - 26
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 23 @Kimiimaro why you really would like to see Italy in the game? Because it's European? Or it's good food? Arts?
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - (6-3)=3 Though I like Madagascar as a Civ (its mix of Southeast Asian/East African culture appeals to me ), she's not the best leader choice for that nation. Her backlash against foreign influence was understandable, but she caused deaths among her people.
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 17
Tamar (Georgia) - 26

 

[Kimiimaro]

@Guandao, Renaissance is the main reason. Also, this is a perfect civ that could use the multiple leaders mechanic. But yeah, food and arts are also a good reason

 

[God of Kings]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 27
Nemequene (Muisca) - 26
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 23 + 1 = 24 Excellent choice for multiple leaders
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 3 - 3 = ELIMINATED Madagascar can wait
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 17
Tamar (Georgia) - 26

 

[Morningcalm]

Hongi Hika (Maori) - 27 + 1 = 28 (An unrepresented culture in Civ's history, and a worthy one (especially given that its western neighbor Australia has been added), the Maori are a proud warrior race with a unique religious and craft-focused culture that could be fun to have in game, and Hongi Hika was a legendary Maori chief--to the point where even after he died, many other Maori groups did not attack his out of respect.)
Nemequene (Muisca) - 26
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24 - 3 = 21 (While he could be a good fit for a diplomatic leader, I am not eager to see Italy back given that there are still vast areas of unrepresented cultures in Civ VI, not even just in the Americas. Also, Lorenzo didn't have as fascinating a legacy as some other leaders here, even though I'm sure people like how connected he is to Renaissance art and citystate politics.)
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 17
Tamar (Georgia) - 26