Leaders of never before seen Civs - Elimination thread

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 20+1=21 - Him being European does not make him "boring". Also, why should him being the emperor of HRE be a problem? Great warrior, great builder, great diplomat, great leader. So great that Czechs call him "the Father of the Country". Also, I'm Czech, so... You should know that Czechs are incredibly proud on their history Oh, and of their beer, too.
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 28-3=25 - Running away with prize.
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 24
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 15
Tamar (Georgia) - 22

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 21 A Great leader can still be boring from a gameplay perspective. What would his Agenda be? And his leader ability?
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 24
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - (15-3)=12 Can't make it into the game for political reasons. He's already a Great Prophet, but I doubt Firaxis will upgrade him to actual leader.
Tamar (Georgia) - (22+1)=23 I prefer Georgia to Armenia. Armenia has no interesting female leaders. Putting Armenia in the game would piss off the Turks. Especially if they are added before the Ottomans. I also find the Georgian language to be more interesting since it's not Indo-European (which Armenian is). Silly reasons, but oh well.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 21 A Great leader can still be boring from a gameplay perspective. What would his Agenda be? And his leader ability?

Agenda... Hmm... Likes Civs with high amenitiy levels? Or maybe something similar to Amanitore - likes developed cities? There are many possibilities

Same about his ability. I personally would like to see some bonus to building cities - he was an enthusiastic builder (same as Ottokar II who founded about 30 cities in his life ). For example, he completely rebuilt Prague. Actually, he was the one who brought Gothic to the Kingdom of Bohemia. Another choice is to give him some bonus to culture, trade and/or science. Or he can have some bonuses to amenities. I actually proposed how could Bohemia look in the "Create your own Civ" thread.

 

[Guandao]

Agenda... Hmm... Likes Civs with high amenitiy levels? Or maybe something similar to Amanitore - likes developed cities? There are many possibilities

Same about his ability. I personally would like to see some bonus to building cities - he was an enthusiastic builder (same as Ottokar II who founded about 30 cities in his life ). For example, he completely rebuilt Prague. Actually, he was the one who brought Gothic to the Kingdom of Bohemia. Another choice is to give him some bonus to culture, trade and/or science. Or he can have some bonuses to amenities. I actually proposed how could Bohemia look in the "Create your own Civ" thread.

Building cities in what way though?
Also what page is your Bohemia suggestion on in the Create your own civ thread? I'm too lazy to look through the whole thing.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Building cities in what way though?
Also what page is your Bohemia suggestion on in the Create your own civ thread? I'm too lazy to look through the whole thing.

I think building tall and well developed cities could suit him. Some specialization on either buildings or districts... Maybe even both.

I understand being lazy - I'm lazy too However, I found it - it's page 20.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 21+1=22 - He was an interesting leader of an interesting Civ. If Bohemia had to appear (and I hope it will once), Charles IV would make a great choice for a leader.
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 24
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 12-3=9 - He's already a great prophet and I guess he would be quite similar to Jayavarman VII - religious empire builder. Also, Tibetan Civ is unlikely due to political reasons.
Tamar (Georgia) - 23

 

[Morningcalm]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 22 - 3 = 19 (Europe is hardly a priority. We already have a Holy Roman Emperor also, and we don't need another.)
Hongi Hika (Maori) - 25 + 1 = 26 (A worthier civ and a more interesting leader with cooler agenda possibilities.)
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 24
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 9
Tamar (Georgia) - 23

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Charles IV (Bohemia) -19-3=16 ( If we got more Holy Roman leaders I would much prefer the return of Maria Theresa and Austria)
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 24+1=25 (Italy deserves to be in the game and would be perfectly led by Lorenzo from Florence)
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 24
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 9
Tamar (Georgia) - 23

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) -16
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 24
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - (9-3)=6 A good leader choice for Tibet, but I strongly doubt Firaxis will put them in the game...
Tamar (Georgia) - (23+1)=24 I still prefer putting Georgia (instead of Armenia) in the game just because Tamar was such a great female ruler.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) -16+1=17 - Can someone please explain me why is him being an emperor of HRE a problem?
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 24
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 6-3=3 - A good leader, but already a great prophet, and Tibet is very unlikely.
Tamar (Georgia) - 24

 

[Manifold]

Charles IV (Bohemia) -14 (17-3) There are many better known emperors for the HRE.
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 24
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 4 (3+1) that would be new
Tamar (Georgia) - 24

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) -14
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - (24+1)=25 Probably my first pick for an Ashanti leader.
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - (4-3)=1 Highly unlikely to ever happen, as long as the Chinese government is touchy and insecure about Tibet. Plus I hate the religious game.
Tamar (Georgia) - 24

 

[God of Kings]

Charles IV (Bohemia) -14
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 24 + 1 = 25 She would be a foil to both Gitarja and Mvemba
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Songtsen Gampo (Tibet) - 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED He's already in game as Great Prophet
Tamar (Georgia) - 24

 

[TahamiTsunami]

The choices were already tough before but now it looks like it's going to be an even greater challenge.

Charles IV (Bohemia) -14
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 25 - 3 = 22 He'd be a great choice to lead an Italian civ, I just don't find him quite as interesting as the other leaders here.
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 25 + 1 = 26 Sounds like she'd be another unique and interesting choice for a leader.
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 14+1=15 - I cannot let this very interesting leader of a very interesting Civ fall. So much hate on him for being a good emperor of HRE! So what? HRE is not a Civ to me, and it never will be Please, anyone explain me why is him being an emperor of HRE a problem.
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 27-3=24 - A tall poppy.
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 26
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - 24

 

[Guandao]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - (15-3)=12 Sorry Kimiimaro, I find Czechia/Bohemia less interesting than the other remaining Civs. While Charles IV is a good choice to lead this Civ, I also find him less interesting in appearance. If Poland wasn't in the game already, I would have been more open to see Bohemia in game.
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 24
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 26
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - (24+1)=25 The Caucasus needs one Civ, and Tamar justifies Georgia's inclusion over Armenia.

@Kimiimaro what is a tall poppy and why is Queen Idia considered one?

 

[Kimiimaro]

@Kimiimaro what is a tall poppy and why is Queen Idia considered one?

Well, I've read it several times in some other ET, when people downvoted Thutmose III for being "a tall poppy" whenever he had high score, so I thought "tall poppy" is someone who is doing better than others? But you probably know - I'm still learning English

 

[Morningcalm]

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 12 - 3 = 9 (Sorry, I tire of European civs, and this is a Holy Roman Emperor. If I wanted another one of those I would pick Charlemagne. Charles IV is hardly a priority, and he's arguably the least interesting leader remaining.
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 24 + 1 = 25 (We need more female leaders, we need more African nations, and we need more interesting leaders. This mighty Queen Mother is one such.
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 26
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Kimiimaro]

I don't give a damn about the Holy Roman Empire - it wasn't holy, it wasn't Roman, and, most important, it wasn't an empire

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 9 - However, I see your point. But that doesn't mean I agree
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26-3=23 - Too many points and I didn't decide who I dislike most yet, so he can take a hit.
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 25
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22+1=23 - Italy/Florence is a place where Renaissance started - it deserves to be in game!
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 26
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

 

[Guandao]

I don't give a damn about the Holy Roman Empire - it wasn't holy, it wasn't Roman, and, most important, it wasn't an empire

Charles IV (Bohemia) - 9 - However, I see your point. But that doesn't mean I agree
Hongi Hika (Maori) 26-3=23 - Didn't New Zealand become a British colony during his reign?
Nemequene (Muisca) - 25
Idia (Benin) - 25
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence/Italy) - 22+1=23 - Italy/Florence is a place where Renaissance started - it deserves to be in game!
Ranavalona I (Madagascar) - 26
Osei Kofi Tutu I (Ashanti) - 25
Tamar (Georgia) - 25

Why would New Zealand becoming a British colony during Hongi Hika's reign be an argument against his inclusion in Civ? We have had Pocatello (Shoshone lands became American during his lifetime), Sitting Bull (same here), and even Cleopatra (who lost her lands to Rome). It's hard to find good or well attested Maori leaders from the period before colonization.

Kimiimaro has proven himself to be Eurocentrist.