LK164 - CCM, AWM, Korea
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Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
Yes, this happened..
I've been mostly focusing on filling in the hinterland, with modest progress along our borders. Culture flips have been fairly brutal.
I expect to be ready to hand off by Monday.
I've been mostly focusing on filling in the hinterland, with modest progress along our borders. Culture flips have been fairly brutal.
I expect to be ready to hand off by Monday.
Elephantium 
Sounds good. Only problem we might run into is if we are on a small continent and lack the resources we need to build railroads or a Rocket?
If we switch to being on the defensive and not expanding our territory any more,
we have an outside shot at a Space Victory in this game
Treating Early Tanks as learned, we would need, 3 turns to complete building Mars Landing and 1 turn to accept victory. At the end of Elephantium's turn set we have about 199 turns left. That means we have 195 turns in which to learn 31 more techs. An average of about 6 turns per tech.
However, our gold age will have ended and we lose the extra income, so it will require a higher percentage of spending on research and techs in the Atomic age are 50% to almost 100% more expensive than they are now.
Switching to democracy would give the income back and reduce corruption.
we have an outside shot at a Space Victory in this game
Treating Early Tanks as learned, we would need, 3 turns to complete building Mars Landing and 1 turn to accept victory. At the end of Elephantium's turn set we have about 199 turns left. That means we have 195 turns in which to learn 31 more techs. An average of about 6 turns per tech.
However, our gold age will have ended and we lose the extra income, so it will require a higher percentage of spending on research and techs in the Atomic age are 50% to almost 100% more expensive than they are now.
Switching to democracy would give the income back and reduce corruption.
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If we switch to being on the defensive and not expanding our territory any more,
we have an outside shot at a Space Victory in this game
The last time when a space victory was tried in a CCM succession game, it ended in a point victory, as too much enemy units were butchered during the game.
But now in CCM 2.50 the limit for a victory by points is lifted to 1.000.000 victory points.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
Pre-turn:
I do some MMing for growth and shift some builds
IBT:
Arty retreats at D...?
Villista dies on our Inf
Second Villista kills the Inf
Villista dies at Cempoala
Villista dies at Kafa
T1 (1945 AD):
AC retreats
AC dies on Greek Inf
Zeppelins bombard -- hey, we have Zeppelins!
AC kills Greek Inf
Yogi kills the Arty near Denizli
AC kills Adv near Huexotla
Battle of Delphi:
Horse Arty retreats
Horse arty kills Inf
AC retreats
AC kills Inf
eAC dies vs. AC
eAC kills redlined AC
ACav dies
AC dies
AC retreats
AC dies
AC kills Inf.
Persian front:
Hvy Arty kills Persian Rifle
Inf kills Indo-Chinese Musket
AC kills Arabian Hvy Arty
Inf kills Persian Adv near Iznik
Inf dies on Villista near Izmit
Inf kills Villista
Lawyer kills stray Late Pikeman
Battle of Malinalco:
Camel Corps dies on Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Federal Inf
AC dies
AC kills Federal Inf
Asian Cav kills Federal Inf
Asian Cav kills stray Federal Inf
I misjudge the border and expose a worker S of Tequila by the Champs...ugh.
eCav kills redlined Mexican infantry by Zitpec.
IBT:
Arty murders our Rifle
At Mugla...
3 German infantry die, promoting one of our Infs
1 kills our Rifle
We lose the exposed worker
Arty retreats...
Tanks kill a Cav and the Rifle who was defending him (near the Persian front)
Camel suicides on our Rifle at Ephesus
Mass Production > Early Tanks
Italy remembers-o the Alamo!
T2 (1946 AD):
Predreadnought kills War Galleon.
Predreadnought sinks Paddle Wheeler.
Enslaver kills stray Napoleonic Camel Corps.
Rifle dies to wounded Adv
Cav kills Villista and gains a Leader!
Camel Corps kills Villista
Hvy Arty kills Villista
Now we can use the Leader...Factory in Beja.
Camel Corps kills British Grenadier
Near Mugla...
Horse Arty kills German Inf
Horse Arty kills a second one, tanking a defensive bombardment.
AC retreats
AC dies
AC kills German Inf
AC kills German Inf
AC kills German Inf
AC kills Hvy Arty
AC dies
AC kills redlined German Inf, promotes to vet
AC kills German Inf
Mugla is safe!
At Zitpec, AC dies to supertank
Second one kills it.
AC kills Mexican musket (4/5/1 type)
ACav kills Austrian Dragoon
ACav kills Camel Corps
ACav kills Camel Corps
ACav kills Camel Corps
ACav kills Camel Corps, ending the stack
Battle of Tepetlaoxtoc:
ACav narrowly kills Villista, promotes
AC kills Villista
AC kills Adv
Lawyer captures Late Pike
IBT:
Cav of some sort suicides on our Inf
Arty suicides by Taegwon
Greek infantry forces AC to retreat in the south...
Villista kills AC
At Whispering Pines,
2 War Elephants suicide on our Infantry
Cavalier dies to our Infantry
Cavalier kills our wounded Infantry
War Elephant retreats
chariot retreats
War Elephant dies
Musket dies to our cav in the south
Another forces a retreat.
Pharsalos deposes us.
T3 (1947 AD):
Asian Cav kills Adv near Chinje
At Whispering Pines
Asian Inf kills MDI
Asian Inf dies
Asian Inf kills MDI
Asian Inf kills MDI
Asian Inf kills Golden Spear
Asian Inf kills Golden Spear
Asian Inf kills Golden Spear
Lawyer captures Cuirassier
Lawyer kills Golden Spear
Lawyer kills Golden Spear
conscript Inf kills wounded MDI
Yogi dies to Burmese Crossbow
Inf kills Burmese Crossbow
Yogi kills Burmese Crossbow
Lawyer kills Burmese Crossbow
Enslaver captures Burmese Crossbow
Battle to retake Pharsalos:
Cav dies
AC dies
AC kills Greek Rifleman
Cav dies
AC narrowly runs over Greek Rifleman and opens the gates.
Rifleman dies to Adv near Tequila...
FIVE INFANTRY DIE TO THE 2 ADVENTURERS THERE! The RNG is HORRIBLE.
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC narrowly kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Villista
Hvy Arty dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
Rifle kills Adv
Eastern Horse Arty kills Greek Infantry
Hvy arty kills Mexican Federal Infantry near Zitpec
Attacking stray German Inf near Mugla...
Lose Horse arty, no damage
Horse arty retreats, no damage
And...
IBT:
Arty kills our Inf near Sparta
Large German force appears near
Camel kills our Inf S of Delphi
Inf dies attacking our Inf at Zitpec
Arty dies to Inf near Jungle Fever
Crossbow
kills Infantry in Whispering Pines!
Cuirassier retreats from Whispering Pines
Austro-Hungarians are building Ford's
China declares war on South America!
T4 (1948 AD):
Pre-Dreadnought sinks Canadian Cog near Novgorod
Predreadnought sinks Frigate near Namp'o
Battle of Jilotzingo:
AC retreats
AC kills Villista
AC kills Villista and takes the city.
Hvy Arty kills Late Pikeman and nets a Leader! Aydin gets a Factory.
Camel Corps kills Greek Infantry near Delphi
AC kills Greek Inf near Pharsalos
AC retreats
AC dies vs. Early Supertank
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC kills Greek Inf
AC kills Early Supertank, promotes to vet
AC kills Adv near Kafa
AC dies
AC kills Adv next to Tequila
Asian Inf kills Adv
AC runs over Adv N of Jungle Fever
AC runs over another Adv
Inf dies
Inf kills Adv next to Jungle Fever
Inf dies
Inf kills Adv near Jungle Fever
Adv kills redlined Adv near Jungle Fever
Near Tepexpan:
Cav charges Erhardt! Erhardt disappears.
Cav charges Erhardt! Erhardt disappears (it does look like there's an issue with the animation).
Cav dies vs. Erhardt
Cav kills Erhardt
Cav crushes redlined Erhardt
AC kills German Inf
AC dies
AC retreats
AC kills German Inf
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC pings the 2/3 German Inf, then dies
AC retreats
AC kills German Inf
Tepexpan is safe.
Hvy Arty kills German Inf near Mugla
Inf kills Adv near Mugla
Near Whispering Pines:
Inf kills redlined Cav
AC kills Musket Infantry
Cav kills Asian Musketeer
Horse arty kills enemy horse arty
Inf dies vs. Asian Musketeer
Inf kills Asian Musketeer, promotes
Inf narrowly kills Asian Musketeer
Inf dies vs. Asian Musketeer
Inf kills Grenadier, promotes
Inf kills Grenadier
Rifleman kills Thai Pike
Rifleman barely kills wounded Musketeer
Inf kills Asian Musketeer
Lawyer kills Burmese Crossbow
Enslaver kills Burmese Crossbow
Enslaver kills Burmese Crossbow
Enslaver captures wounded Golden Archer
Yogi kills Cannon
Lawyer signs on Indian Siege Crossbow
Inf kills Adv, promotes
Inf kills Adv
Asian Rifleman kills Cannon
Inf kills Indian Siege Crossbow
IBT:
Arty kills Inf near Lud...
Adv kills Inf at Jungle Fever
Musket dies on our Inf at Whispering Pines
T5 (1949 AD):
Battle of Atzcapotzalco:
Hvy arty retreats
AC runs over Mexican Federal Infantry
AC retreats
AC dies
eCav kills Mexican Federal Infantry, takes the city, and gets a Leader!
Chinje gets a Factory.
Predreadnought sinks War Galleon
AC retreats from Inf near Atzcapotzalco
Asian Cav dies
Asian Cav kills Mexican Federal Infantry
Pre-Dreadnought sinks Corvette near Novgorod
Battle of Teotihuacan:
AC retreats
AC dies vs. HMG
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC kills HMGwoohoo, promotes to vet
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC redlines HMG and then dies, promoting the HMG
AC dies
AC redlines HMG and dies
AC dies
AC kills HMG and gets a Leader! Linkoping gets a Factory.
eAC dies vs. redlined HMG
eCamel kills HMG to break the gates!
eCav kills Adv near Chinje
eCav kills Adv
Camel Corps kills Adv, promotes
Camel Corps kills Adv
Horse Arty kills British Rifle near Whispering Pines
Asian Inf kills Adv near Taegwon
Inf kills Mexican Line Inf
Inf kills Adv near Cempoala
Inf kills Musket
Rifle kills Austrian Line Inf
Inf dies to Villista
Second one kills it.
I do some MMing for growth and shift some builds
IBT:
Arty retreats at D...?
Villista dies on our Inf
Second Villista kills the Inf
Villista dies at Cempoala
Villista dies at Kafa
T1 (1945 AD):
AC retreats
AC dies on Greek Inf
Zeppelins bombard -- hey, we have Zeppelins!
AC kills Greek Inf
Yogi kills the Arty near Denizli
AC kills Adv near Huexotla
Battle of Delphi:
Horse Arty retreats
Horse arty kills Inf
AC retreats
AC kills Inf
eAC dies vs. AC
eAC kills redlined AC
ACav dies
AC dies
AC retreats
AC dies
AC kills Inf.
Persian front:
Hvy Arty kills Persian Rifle
Inf kills Indo-Chinese Musket
AC kills Arabian Hvy Arty
Inf kills Persian Adv near Iznik
Inf dies on Villista near Izmit
Inf kills Villista
Lawyer kills stray Late Pikeman
Battle of Malinalco:
Camel Corps dies on Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Federal Inf
AC dies
AC kills Federal Inf
Asian Cav kills Federal Inf
Asian Cav kills stray Federal Inf
I misjudge the border and expose a worker S of Tequila by the Champs...ugh.
eCav kills redlined Mexican infantry by Zitpec.
IBT:
Arty murders our Rifle
At Mugla...
3 German infantry die, promoting one of our Infs
1 kills our Rifle
We lose the exposed worker
Arty retreats...
Tanks kill a Cav and the Rifle who was defending him (near the Persian front)
Camel suicides on our Rifle at Ephesus
Mass Production > Early Tanks
Italy remembers-o the Alamo!
T2 (1946 AD):
Predreadnought kills War Galleon.
Predreadnought sinks Paddle Wheeler.
Enslaver kills stray Napoleonic Camel Corps.
Rifle dies to wounded Adv
Cav kills Villista and gains a Leader!
Camel Corps kills Villista
Hvy Arty kills Villista
Now we can use the Leader...Factory in Beja.
Camel Corps kills British Grenadier
Near Mugla...
Horse Arty kills German Inf
Horse Arty kills a second one, tanking a defensive bombardment.
AC retreats
AC dies
AC kills German Inf
AC kills German Inf
AC kills German Inf
AC kills Hvy Arty
AC dies
AC kills redlined German Inf, promotes to vet
AC kills German Inf
Mugla is safe!
At Zitpec, AC dies to supertank
Second one kills it.
AC kills Mexican musket (4/5/1 type)
ACav kills Austrian Dragoon
ACav kills Camel Corps
ACav kills Camel Corps
ACav kills Camel Corps
ACav kills Camel Corps, ending the stack
Battle of Tepetlaoxtoc:
ACav narrowly kills Villista, promotes
AC kills Villista
AC kills Adv
Lawyer captures Late Pike
IBT:
Cav of some sort suicides on our Inf
Arty suicides by Taegwon
Greek infantry forces AC to retreat in the south...
Villista kills AC
At Whispering Pines,
2 War Elephants suicide on our Infantry
Cavalier dies to our Infantry
Cavalier kills our wounded Infantry
War Elephant retreats
chariot retreats
War Elephant dies
Musket dies to our cav in the south
Another forces a retreat.
Pharsalos deposes us.
T3 (1947 AD):
Asian Cav kills Adv near Chinje
At Whispering Pines
Asian Inf kills MDI
Asian Inf dies
Asian Inf kills MDI
Asian Inf kills MDI
Asian Inf kills Golden Spear
Asian Inf kills Golden Spear
Asian Inf kills Golden Spear
Lawyer captures Cuirassier
Lawyer kills Golden Spear
Lawyer kills Golden Spear
conscript Inf kills wounded MDI
Yogi dies to Burmese Crossbow
Inf kills Burmese Crossbow
Yogi kills Burmese Crossbow
Lawyer kills Burmese Crossbow
Enslaver captures Burmese Crossbow
Battle to retake Pharsalos:
Cav dies
AC dies
AC kills Greek Rifleman
Cav dies
AC narrowly runs over Greek Rifleman and opens the gates.
Rifleman dies to Adv near Tequila...
FIVE INFANTRY DIE TO THE 2 ADVENTURERS THERE! The RNG is HORRIBLE.
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC narrowly kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Villista
Hvy Arty dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
Rifle kills Adv
Eastern Horse Arty kills Greek Infantry
Hvy arty kills Mexican Federal Infantry near Zitpec
Attacking stray German Inf near Mugla...
Lose Horse arty, no damage
Horse arty retreats, no damage
And...
IBT:
Arty kills our Inf near Sparta
Large German force appears near
Camel kills our Inf S of Delphi
Inf dies attacking our Inf at Zitpec
Arty dies to Inf near Jungle Fever
Crossbow
kills Infantry in Whispering Pines!Cuirassier retreats from Whispering Pines
Austro-Hungarians are building Ford's
China declares war on South America!
T4 (1948 AD):
Pre-Dreadnought sinks Canadian Cog near Novgorod
Predreadnought sinks Frigate near Namp'o
Battle of Jilotzingo:
AC retreats
AC kills Villista
AC kills Villista and takes the city.
Hvy Arty kills Late Pikeman and nets a Leader! Aydin gets a Factory.
Camel Corps kills Greek Infantry near Delphi
AC kills Greek Inf near Pharsalos
AC retreats
AC dies vs. Early Supertank
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC kills Greek Inf
AC kills Early Supertank, promotes to vet
AC kills Adv near Kafa
AC dies
AC kills Adv next to Tequila
Asian Inf kills Adv
AC runs over Adv N of Jungle Fever
AC runs over another Adv
Inf dies
Inf kills Adv next to Jungle Fever
Inf dies
Inf kills Adv near Jungle Fever
Adv kills redlined Adv near Jungle Fever
Near Tepexpan:
Cav charges Erhardt! Erhardt disappears.
Cav charges Erhardt! Erhardt disappears (it does look like there's an issue with the animation).
Cav dies vs. Erhardt
Cav kills Erhardt
Cav crushes redlined Erhardt
AC kills German Inf
AC dies
AC retreats
AC kills German Inf
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC pings the 2/3 German Inf, then dies
AC retreats
AC kills German Inf
Tepexpan is safe.
Hvy Arty kills German Inf near Mugla
Inf kills Adv near Mugla
Near Whispering Pines:
Inf kills redlined Cav
AC kills Musket Infantry
Cav kills Asian Musketeer
Horse arty kills enemy horse arty
Inf dies vs. Asian Musketeer
Inf kills Asian Musketeer, promotes
Inf narrowly kills Asian Musketeer
Inf dies vs. Asian Musketeer
Inf kills Grenadier, promotes
Inf kills Grenadier
Rifleman kills Thai Pike
Rifleman barely kills wounded Musketeer
Inf kills Asian Musketeer
Lawyer kills Burmese Crossbow
Enslaver kills Burmese Crossbow
Enslaver kills Burmese Crossbow
Enslaver captures wounded Golden Archer
Yogi kills Cannon
Lawyer signs on Indian Siege Crossbow
Inf kills Adv, promotes
Inf kills Adv
Asian Rifleman kills Cannon
Inf kills Indian Siege Crossbow
IBT:
Arty kills Inf near Lud...
Adv kills Inf at Jungle Fever
Musket dies on our Inf at Whispering Pines
T5 (1949 AD):
Battle of Atzcapotzalco:
Hvy arty retreats
AC runs over Mexican Federal Infantry
AC retreats
AC dies
eCav kills Mexican Federal Infantry, takes the city, and gets a Leader!
Chinje gets a Factory.
Predreadnought sinks War Galleon
AC retreats from Inf near Atzcapotzalco
Asian Cav dies
Asian Cav kills Mexican Federal Infantry
Pre-Dreadnought sinks Corvette near Novgorod
Battle of Teotihuacan:
AC retreats
AC dies vs. HMG
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC retreats
AC kills HMG
woohoo, promotes to vetAC retreats
AC retreats
AC redlines HMG and then dies, promoting the HMG
AC dies
AC redlines HMG and dies
AC dies
AC kills HMG and gets a Leader! Linkoping gets a Factory.
eAC dies vs. redlined HMG
eCamel kills HMG to break the gates!
eCav kills Adv near Chinje
eCav kills Adv
Camel Corps kills Adv, promotes
Camel Corps kills Adv
Horse Arty kills British Rifle near Whispering Pines
Asian Inf kills Adv near Taegwon
Inf kills Mexican Line Inf
Inf kills Adv near Cempoala
Inf kills Musket
Rifle kills Austrian Line Inf
Inf dies to Villista
Second one kills it.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
IBT from T5:
We lose 1 Inf near Luderlitz
We lose another Inf at Teotihuacan
The Port in Yekaterinburg is destroyed by Zeppelin fire!
Cuirassier retreats from Taegwon
Cav kills Inf at Teotihuacan
Early Tanks > Flight
T6 (1950 AD):
Battle of Coyotepec:
Inf dies to Villista
Inf kills Villista
Inf kills Villista and takes the city.
Securing the area...
Inf forces arty to retreat
First, we have to clear the rails - Mexican troops are in the way!
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry, promotes to vet
AC dies
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
First tile free...
AC dies to wounded Federale
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Villista
AC kills Villista
Cav kills wounded Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills redlined arty
AC kills Camel Corps
AC kills arty
AC kills Early Supertank
rInf kills Adv
Inf dies to Adv
Inf dies to Adv
Camel Corps puts them to rest.
Inf kills Adv
AC dies to Erhardt
AC dies to Erhardt
AC blows up Erhardt
AC dies to Erhardt
AC kills Erhardt
AC dies to arty
Camel Corps kills arty
Securing Teotihuacan...
AC kills wounded Adv
AC dies to HMG
AC retreats
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Austrian Rifleman
AC dies
AC dies
AC dies
AC kills Austrian Rifleman
AC kills Grenadier
AC dies to Musketeer
Lawyer kills arty
Lawyer kills camel
Misclick sends Lawyer against HGM...Lawyer retreats!
Lawyer signs on Arty
Asian Cav kills camel
AC kills German Inf
AC kills German Inf
Lawyer approaches Cuirassier. Redlined Cuirassier commits suicide rather than sign the contract!
Defense of Delphi:
Horse arty shreds Greek Inf
Horse arty pulverizes Greek Inf
Cav dies vs. Greek Rifle
Cav barely kills Greek Rifle
Inf dies vs. Meso Pikeman
Inf kills Meso Pikeman
Rifle kills Late Pikeman
Inf kills Cav near Whispering Pines
Inf dies to Adv
Second Inf kills it, promotes
Inf dies to Pike
Humiliating.
Inf kills Pike
Inf dies to MDI
Inf kills MDI
Inf kills MDI
IBT:
Adv kills Inf near Chinje
Camel kills Rifle in Denizli
Windows pops up a question about StickyKeys. No, go away! ... but that makes Civ stop updating during pink's turn. Darn.
Maghreb want to talk. Nope!
Pharsalos deposes us again. Bummer.
T7 (1951 AD):
Battle of Ulundi:
Rifleman kills Pike, promotes, and breaks down the gates!
Battle of Tlatelolco:
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
The Return to the Return to Pharsalos:
Whippet retreats
Whippet crunches Rifle
rAC dies
Another rAC dies
AC kills the 2/5 Rifle; Pharsalos is ours once again.
Inf kills stray MDI
rWhippet kills MDI
rWhippet kills Pike
Whippet kills Pike, promotes
Whippet kills Pike
Whippet kills Crossbow, promotes
rWhippet kills Crossbow, promotes
Partisan kills Crossbow
AC kills Villista
rInf dies
Hvy arty kills Greek Inf, promotes
Hvy arty kills Greek Inf
Whippet kills arty
AC kills camel
AC kills arty
Inf dies to German Inf
AC retreats
Horse arty kills German Inf
Cav narrowly kills German Inf
near Ephesus:
Inf dies to African Rifleman
Inf dies to African Rifleman
Inf kills African Rifleman
Inf dies to Adv
Inf dies to Adv
AC dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills arty
AC dies vs. Early Supertank
AC kills Early Supertank
AC kills Camel Corps
AC kills Austrian Infantry
Cav kills Camel Corps
Camel Corps kills Adv
AC kills German Infantry
AC kills German Infantry
AC retreats
AC kills German Infantry
AC dies
AC kills German Infantry
AC kills German Infantry
Enslaver kills arty
Inf dies to Adv
Inf kills Adv
Inf kills Adv
IBT:
Torpedo boat bombards our Predreadnought E of the capital.
Cruiser sinks attacking our Predreadnought
Arabs complete Blue Riband
T8 (1952 AD):
Predreadnought pings enemy Frigate
Commerce raider sinks it.
Pre-Dreadnought sinks Maghreb Corvette
Battle of Tamuin:
Asian Inf kills African Rifleman
Asian Inf dies
Asian Inf dies
Asian Inf narrowly dies
Asian Inf narrowly wins...
Battle of Tlacopan:
Inf dies
Inf kills Mexican Federal Inf, promotes
Inf dies
Inf dies
Inf kills Mexican Federal Inf
Inf dies
Inf kills Mexican Federal Inf and enters the city
AC kills Erhardt
Inf dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
Inf dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
Inf dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
Whippet kills Adv
Whippet kills 2 WEs
Whippet kills Cuirassier and Chariot
Lawyer signs up African Crossbow for a tour.
Another Lawyer signs up a second African Crossbow!
Lawyer kills stray Chariot
Whippet kills 2 Chariots
Enslaver dies to Chariot
Second Enslaver kills it.
Battle of Thermopylae:
AC dies
AC dies
AC retreats
AC dies
AC dies
AC FINALLY kills Greek Inf. No promotion, though
AC narrowly dies
AC dies vs. redlined Greek Inf
AC barely dies
Cav dies vs. wounded Greek Inf
Cav kills Greek Inf and gets a Leader!
Cav kills the last Greek Inf and gets ANOTHER Leader!!!
Inf kills Adv
Whippet kills German Inf
Whippet dies
Whippet kills German Inf and Erhd
Lawyer kills Arty and produces another Leader!
Camel kills Prussian Rifleman
AC kills Nizam Infantry
AC kills AH Cav
Horse Arty kills Adv
AC runs over Villista
AC retreats
AC flanks the Villista
AC kills the last Villista; city is ours.
AC kills Adv
Battle of Dresden:
AC kills Adv
AC kills Prussian Musket Infantry
AC kills early supertank
AC dies
Horse arty dies
AC retreats
AC kills Austrian Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
We lose 1 Inf near Luderlitz
We lose another Inf at Teotihuacan
The Port in Yekaterinburg is destroyed by Zeppelin fire!
Cuirassier retreats from Taegwon
Cav kills Inf at Teotihuacan
Early Tanks > Flight
T6 (1950 AD):
Battle of Coyotepec:
Inf dies to Villista
Inf kills Villista
Inf kills Villista and takes the city.
Securing the area...
Inf forces arty to retreat
First, we have to clear the rails - Mexican troops are in the way!
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry, promotes to vet
AC dies
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
First tile free...
AC dies to wounded Federale
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Villista
AC kills Villista
Cav kills wounded Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills redlined arty
AC kills Camel Corps
AC kills arty
AC kills Early Supertank
rInf kills Adv
Inf dies to Adv
Inf dies to Adv
Camel Corps puts them to rest.
Inf kills Adv
AC dies to Erhardt
AC dies to Erhardt
AC blows up Erhardt
AC dies to Erhardt
AC kills Erhardt
AC dies to arty
Camel Corps kills arty
Securing Teotihuacan...
AC kills wounded Adv
AC dies to HMG
AC retreats
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Austrian Rifleman
AC dies
AC dies
AC dies
AC kills Austrian Rifleman
AC kills Grenadier
AC dies to Musketeer
Lawyer kills arty
Lawyer kills camel
Misclick sends Lawyer against HGM...Lawyer retreats!
Lawyer signs on Arty
Asian Cav kills camel
AC kills German Inf
AC kills German Inf
Lawyer approaches Cuirassier. Redlined Cuirassier commits suicide rather than sign the contract!
Defense of Delphi:
Horse arty shreds Greek Inf
Horse arty pulverizes Greek Inf
Cav dies vs. Greek Rifle
Cav barely kills Greek Rifle
Inf dies vs. Meso Pikeman
Inf kills Meso Pikeman
Rifle kills Late Pikeman
Inf kills Cav near Whispering Pines
Inf dies to Adv
Second Inf kills it, promotes
Inf dies to Pike
Humiliating.Inf kills Pike
Inf dies to MDI
Inf kills MDI
Inf kills MDI
IBT:
Adv kills Inf near Chinje
Camel kills Rifle in Denizli
Windows pops up a question about StickyKeys. No, go away! ... but that makes Civ stop updating during pink's turn. Darn.
Maghreb want to talk. Nope!
Pharsalos deposes us again. Bummer.
T7 (1951 AD):
Battle of Ulundi:
Rifleman kills Pike, promotes, and breaks down the gates!
Battle of Tlatelolco:
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC dies
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
The Return to the Return to Pharsalos:
Whippet retreats
Whippet crunches Rifle
rAC dies
Another rAC dies
AC kills the 2/5 Rifle; Pharsalos is ours once again.
Inf kills stray MDI
rWhippet kills MDI
rWhippet kills Pike
Whippet kills Pike, promotes
Whippet kills Pike
Whippet kills Crossbow, promotes
rWhippet kills Crossbow, promotes
Partisan kills Crossbow
AC kills Villista
rInf dies
Hvy arty kills Greek Inf, promotes
Hvy arty kills Greek Inf
Whippet kills arty
AC kills camel
AC kills arty
Inf dies to German Inf
AC retreats
Horse arty kills German Inf
Cav narrowly kills German Inf
near Ephesus:
Inf dies to African Rifleman
Inf dies to African Rifleman
Inf kills African Rifleman
Inf dies to Adv
Inf dies to Adv
AC dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
AC kills arty
AC dies vs. Early Supertank
AC kills Early Supertank
AC kills Camel Corps
AC kills Austrian Infantry
Cav kills Camel Corps
Camel Corps kills Adv
AC kills German Infantry
AC kills German Infantry
AC retreats
AC kills German Infantry
AC dies
AC kills German Infantry
AC kills German Infantry
Enslaver kills arty
Inf dies to Adv
Inf kills Adv
Inf kills Adv
IBT:
Torpedo boat bombards our Predreadnought E of the capital.
Cruiser sinks attacking our Predreadnought
Arabs complete Blue Riband
T8 (1952 AD):
Predreadnought pings enemy Frigate
Commerce raider sinks it.
Pre-Dreadnought sinks Maghreb Corvette
Battle of Tamuin:
Asian Inf kills African Rifleman
Asian Inf dies
Asian Inf dies
Asian Inf narrowly dies
Asian Inf narrowly wins...
Battle of Tlacopan:
Inf dies
Inf kills Mexican Federal Inf, promotes
Inf dies
Inf dies
Inf kills Mexican Federal Inf
Inf dies
Inf kills Mexican Federal Inf and enters the city
AC kills Erhardt
Inf dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
Inf dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
Inf dies to Mexican Federal Infantry
Whippet kills Adv
Whippet kills 2 WEs
Whippet kills Cuirassier and Chariot
Lawyer signs up African Crossbow for a tour.
Another Lawyer signs up a second African Crossbow!
Lawyer kills stray Chariot
Whippet kills 2 Chariots
Enslaver dies to Chariot
Second Enslaver kills it.
Battle of Thermopylae:
AC dies
AC dies
AC retreats
AC dies
AC dies
AC FINALLY kills Greek Inf. No promotion, though
AC narrowly dies
AC dies vs. redlined Greek Inf
AC barely dies
Cav dies vs. wounded Greek Inf
Cav kills Greek Inf and gets a Leader!
Cav kills the last Greek Inf and gets ANOTHER Leader!!!
Inf kills Adv
Whippet kills German Inf
Whippet dies
Whippet kills German Inf and Erhd
Lawyer kills Arty and produces another Leader!
Camel kills Prussian Rifleman
AC kills Nizam Infantry
AC kills AH Cav
Horse Arty kills Adv
AC runs over Villista
AC retreats
AC flanks the Villista
AC kills the last Villista; city is ours.
AC kills Adv
Battle of Dresden:
AC kills Adv
AC kills Prussian Musket Infantry
AC kills early supertank
AC dies
Horse arty dies
AC retreats
AC kills Austrian Infantry
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
IBT of T8:
Invisible unit kills Inf near Thermopylae
Adv dies to our AC
Adv dies to our Whippet
Adv murders an inf at Tamuin
Treb dies on an inf at Thermopylae
Inf dies to our Inf at Teayo
Erhardt kills Inf
Erhardt dies to our Inf
Arty kills our Inf near Old Turkey
Erhardt kills AC
2 Infs dies on our Inf near Mugla
Mexican Adv forces a Whippet to retreat
WE retreats near Whispering Pines
Austrian Inf kills our Inf.
Argos deposes us.
Production sabotaged in Samaria
T9 (1953 AD):
Predreadnought bombards, Commerce Raider sinks enemy Hvy Frigate.
4 Infs die to Mexican Federal Infantry
A fifth Inf kills it.
Battle of Ixtapaluca:
Infantry kills Villista
rInf dies
rInf dies
rInf kills Villista, promotes
rInf storms the gates! Redlined Villista succumbs
Siege of Corinth:
AC kills AC
AC retreats
AC kills Greek Inf
AC retreats
AC dies
AC retreats
AC kills Greek Inf
Whippet retreats
AC kills Greek Rifleman
Whippet retreats from HMG
AC retreats
AC kills HMG!
Whippet crushes Camel!
Culture-bomb Corinth to let us...
Battle of Knossos:
AC kills Greek Inf
AC retreats, no damage
AC dies
Whippet retreats
Whippet kills Greek Inf
Whippet kills redlined Greek Inf
Camel kills Eastern Cannon
Whippet kills Erhardt
Whippet kills German Inf
Whippet dies to Erhardt
eWhippet kills 2 Erhardts
Lawyer kills German arty
Asian Cav kills Erhardt
AC kills Erhardt
AC kills Erhardt
Asian Rifleman dies vs. Adv
Asian Infantry also dies
Third Inf does the trick, finally.
AC kills Adv
Inf kills Adv
Lawyer dies to Catapult
Enslaver kills it
Lawyer signs on Medieval Catapult crew and nets a Leader
AC kills Siege-Bow
Whippet kills 2 Asian Cannon
Horse Arty kills Asian Cannon
Partisan captures Asian Cannon
Enslaver kills Siege-Bow
Yogi kills redlined WE
Hvy arty kills Adv
Inf kills redlined Adv
AC kills Nizam Infantry
AC kills Late Pikeman
AC retreats
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry near Teotihuacan
Invisible unit kills Inf near Thermopylae
Adv dies to our AC
Adv dies to our Whippet
Adv murders an inf at Tamuin
Treb dies on an inf at Thermopylae
Inf dies to our Inf at Teayo
Erhardt kills Inf
Erhardt dies to our Inf
Arty kills our Inf near Old Turkey
Erhardt kills AC
2 Infs dies on our Inf near Mugla
Mexican Adv forces a Whippet to retreat
WE retreats near Whispering Pines
Austrian Inf kills our Inf.
Argos deposes us.
Production sabotaged in Samaria
T9 (1953 AD):
Predreadnought bombards, Commerce Raider sinks enemy Hvy Frigate.
4 Infs die to Mexican Federal Infantry
A fifth Inf kills it.
Battle of Ixtapaluca:
Infantry kills Villista
rInf dies
rInf dies
rInf kills Villista, promotes
rInf storms the gates! Redlined Villista succumbs
Siege of Corinth:
AC kills AC
AC retreats
AC kills Greek Inf
AC retreats
AC dies
AC retreats
AC kills Greek Inf
Whippet retreats
AC kills Greek Rifleman
Whippet retreats from HMG
AC retreats
AC kills HMG!
Whippet crushes Camel!
Culture-bomb Corinth to let us...
Battle of Knossos:
AC kills Greek Inf
AC retreats, no damage
AC dies
Whippet retreats
Whippet kills Greek Inf
Whippet kills redlined Greek Inf
Camel kills Eastern Cannon
Whippet kills Erhardt
Whippet kills German Inf
Whippet dies to Erhardt
eWhippet kills 2 Erhardts
Lawyer kills German arty
Asian Cav kills Erhardt
AC kills Erhardt
AC kills Erhardt
Asian Rifleman dies vs. Adv
Asian Infantry also dies
Third Inf does the trick, finally.
AC kills Adv
Inf kills Adv
Lawyer dies to Catapult
Enslaver kills it
Lawyer signs on Medieval Catapult crew and nets a Leader
AC kills Siege-Bow
Whippet kills 2 Asian Cannon
Horse Arty kills Asian Cannon
Partisan captures Asian Cannon
Enslaver kills Siege-Bow
Yogi kills redlined WE
Hvy arty kills Adv
Inf kills redlined Adv
AC kills Nizam Infantry
AC kills Late Pikeman
AC retreats
AC kills Mexican Federal Infantry near Teotihuacan
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I don’t see a lot to comment on. It has clearly hit the steamroller phase. It is just a question how many more turns are needed. I am sure I have one more set, but not sure about a second.
ROSTER:
Please keep science at 4 turns. I’m not sure how much stealing is left.
I don’t want a revolt until after our GA is done.
Spy targets = Germany (theocracy), Britain (govt?), China (govt?), Aztec (democracy), Greece (theocracy), and Arabia (democracy). They are the 6 tech leaders. Remember, we can’t steal from republics. Spies in the other civs are a low priority.
LKendter (on deck)
Jersey Joe
Elephantium
Greebley (up)
ROSTER:
Please keep science at 4 turns. I’m not sure how much stealing is left.
I don’t want a revolt until after our GA is done.
Spy targets = Germany (theocracy), Britain (govt?), China (govt?), Aztec (democracy), Greece (theocracy), and Arabia (democracy). They are the 6 tech leaders. Remember, we can’t steal from republics. Spies in the other civs are a low priority.
LKendter (on deck)
Jersey Joe
Elephantium
Greebley (up)
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
Capturing 2 cities per turn is pretty typical; that can probably bump up to 3 cities per turn pretty soon. I did a lot of work to manage incoming attacking forces, especially in the big jungle in the middle of our C-shaped empire.
I also focused on building cities to fill in territory gaps. There are still a few spots in that jungle that need cities, but we're pretty close to having a roughly straight-line front moving eastward.
I also focused on building cities to fill in territory gaps. There are still a few spots in that jungle that need cities, but we're pretty close to having a roughly straight-line front moving eastward.
ok, I got it.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
I should add: I lost a LOT of regular units in fair fights. Getting Barracks built after the revolution will kick us back up into high gear for conquest.
I think we only need barracks in cities that can build whippets in 1 turn. At this point, we should be building nothing but troops, settlers and steamrollers. Instead of putting 320 shields into a factory we can have 4 WWI Infantry. We should use Adventurers as MPs and send the Infantry to the front. Drafting reduces our population so we should avoid it. Likewise we should not build Steamrollers in large population cities. 2 population points from Seoul is about one-half million people. 2 population points out of a size 13 city is around 250000 people.
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Whippets must be a Korean unit. I don't recognize them.
I'm okay with adventures as MP in internal cities. I want strong coastal defenses. Those amphibious rifles from Britain are a threat to those towns.
I'm not the least bit worried about population. IIRC every game we crossed the pop limit way before the territory limit. We have 32.2% territory. It sounds like Tusker filled a lot of the empty areas inside. As those borders pop, that number should jump faster.
On the issue of barracks, I favor them everywhere. They are dirt cheap, and only cost a single turn in most cities. IMO well with it for better troop survival.
I'm okay with adventures as MP in internal cities. I want strong coastal defenses. Those amphibious rifles from Britain are a threat to those towns.
I'm not the least bit worried about population. IIRC every game we crossed the pop limit way before the territory limit. We have 32.2% territory. It sounds like Tusker filled a lot of the empty areas inside. As those borders pop, that number should jump faster.
On the issue of barracks, I favor them everywhere. They are dirt cheap, and only cost a single turn in most cities. IMO well with it for better troop survival.
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Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
I also don't care about population. Building steamrollers and motorized settlers in cities with lots of extra food is more important than minimizing the "number of people" that go with each pop point. If we get to the area required for domination and don't quite have enough population, we can simply build a few more filler cities with the rest of our Motorized Settler stack -- or conquer another couple of cities to put us over the limit.
I do agree about switching to units instead of buildings. I was trying to optimize for breakpoints in my set -- getting marginal cities to 20 shields gets us another Infantry every 4 turns -- much better than having that city <10 shields.
Edit: I'm also happy with short-rushing Factories in the cities that have them half-built. Observatory is usually a good bet. Better than building a 200-shield Whippet, certainly!
I do agree about switching to units instead of buildings. I was trying to optimize for breakpoints in my set -- getting marginal cities to 20 shields gets us another Infantry every 4 turns -- much better than having that city <10 shields.
Edit: I'm also happy with short-rushing Factories in the cities that have them half-built. Observatory is usually a good bet. Better than building a 200-shield Whippet, certainly!
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I suspect Tusker was rather referring to the wastage of switching mid-build from a Factory with ~200 shields in the box, to a WhippetOnly 130 shields.
Elephantium
Malcolm was a very good cat.
I suspect Tusker was rather referring to the wastage of switching mid-build from a Factory with ~200 shields in the box, to a Whippet
Exactly this!
I am talking about the feasibility of building a factory right now not about in the past. Using Novgorod as an example:
Right now (in our golden age) it can produce 36 shields (hiring all cops and no engineers) per turn. It has been building a factory for 2 turns. The city screen shows it will take 7 turns to finish.
However our golden age is about to end and 36 shields will drop to 21 shields so it will take 12 more turns to finish. When the factory is built Novgorod will be producing 28 shields per turn.
Now a comparison:
If we had started building WWI infantry instead of a factory (or if we swap to infantry right now) we would finish a unit next turn and every 4 turns thereafter. Novgorod with a factory can build a WWI infantry unit once every 3 turns.
57 turns from now, when the 15th infantry unit is built, Novgorod with factory will finally catch up to no factory.
It is likely the game will end before we play another 57 turns. So we would have produced more infantry in Novgorod without the factory.
Right now (in our golden age) it can produce 36 shields (hiring all cops and no engineers) per turn. It has been building a factory for 2 turns. The city screen shows it will take 7 turns to finish.
However our golden age is about to end and 36 shields will drop to 21 shields so it will take 12 more turns to finish. When the factory is built Novgorod will be producing 28 shields per turn.
Now a comparison:
If we had started building WWI infantry instead of a factory (or if we swap to infantry right now) we would finish a unit next turn and every 4 turns thereafter. Novgorod with a factory can build a WWI infantry unit once every 3 turns.
57 turns from now, when the 15th infantry unit is built, Novgorod with factory will finally catch up to no factory.
It is likely the game will end before we play another 57 turns. So we would have produced more infantry in Novgorod without the factory.
