LK164 - CCM, AWM, Korea

[Jersey Joe]

Yes, I am about to finish up my next to last turn and will post by tomorrow (Sunday, 5/16/21) at the latest.

Good news / Bad news. We now possess all but 1 Viking city. Unfortunately, it is on an island off the coast. Which leads into my question about where to build the Military Academy.

At the end of the turn I am currently playing, we learn Military Tradition. I just got a Great Leader. I am considering rushing the Military Academy in Visby. Visby is not to far from the current front and is not very likely to flip (1 Viking and 7 Koreans for population).

Any thoughts about were to put the Academy?

 

[LKendter]

How close is the big Greek stack to Visby? I would hate to rush it, just to lose it to Greece. I have no clue what shape the stack is in.

 

[Jersey Joe]

It took several turns, but the Greek Stack does not exist. It did stall my advance having to allocate a good portion of our cavalry to it. Any threats now are beyond out borders. Also the roads leading over the mountains have been pillaged.

 

[LKendter]

That was my only possible issue. I have no objection to Visby.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Continuing 1893 AD: Victory Screen: 11% world area 21% world population
Since the Vikings are going to build barracks for us, I change all Castle builds to some other useful building.
I plant a spy in Spain.

IBT: Near Stockholm: Asian Rider kills Nordic Axeman (1, 0); Rider kills by Nordic Axeman (1, 1); Spanish Crossbow kills Rider (1, 2); Two Riddes are killed by Hussars (1, 4).
On the road to yellow dot, Rider killed by Persian Cavalry (1, 5).

We lose our coal supply by Linkoping, but we still have coal at Poznan.

1894 AD:
Near Turkey Colony: Rider kills Aztec Cannon (2, 5); Rider kills Musketeer (3, 5); Rider kills Grenadier (4, 5); eMedieval Infantry kills Crossbow (5, 5); eHwach’a kills Mesospearman (6, 5),

Capture of Stockholm: eWinged Hussar kills Swedish Musketeer (7, 5); 2 Riders are killed my Musketeers (7, 7); Riders kill 2 Musketeers (9, 7); Rider kills Late Pike (10, 7); Rider kills Musketeer (11, 7); eRider kills Late Pike (12, 7). The city is captured. I think we also caught a settler in the city (we got 1 worker) and all our cities now have barracks.
Rider kills Spanish Hussar (13, 7); Rider kills Late Pike (14, 7); eMusketeer kills Hussar (15, 7). We get a Great Leader. Yogi converts Crossbow (16, 7).
Yogi converts Nordic Axeman (17, 7); Riders kill 2 Crossbow (19, 7).

Capture of Orebro: Rider kills Swedish Musketeer (20, 7); Rider kills Late Pike (21, 7); Rider kills Camel Musketeer (22, 7). The city is captured.

East of Norrkoping, Camel Musketeer kills Spanish Adventurer (23, 7).

Capture of Nykoping, Rider kills Swedish Musketeer (24, 7); Cuirassier kills Musketeer (25, 7). The city added to our benevolent Monarchy.
Right next to our new city is a Mongolian Settler being escorted by a Chariot. They refuse to join our benevolent Monarchy. So we declare war on the Mongols. Rider kills Chariot (26, 7). Rider kills Greek Chariot (27, 7).

Southwest of Seoul: We lose a Rider killing 2 Prussian Dragoons (29, 8). We also lose a Rider killing Aztec Cavalry (30, 9).

IBT: Southwest of Seoul, Musketeer killed by Persian Grenadier (30, 10).
Near Stockholm, Rider kills Viking Crossbow (31, 10).
Many Greek troops move on to the mountain east of Nykoping.

1895 AD:
Great leader rushes University in L’vov.
A monk gives Nykoping a cultured blessing as we leave the city and warn the populace about Greeks bearing gifts.
We start selling Walls, Granaries and Castles (in selected cities) and raise close to 600 in gold so we can attempt to Steal tech (needed 4450 gold).

Near Orebro, Rider kills Spanish Crossbow (32, 10).
At Namp’o Harbor: Pirate Ship captures Persia Galleass (33, 10); Privateer sinks Galleass (34, 10).
Southwest of Seoul: Rider kills Prussian Musket Infantry (35, 10). Musketeer killed by Persian Grenadier (35, 11); eRider kills Grenadier (36, 11); Rider kills Nizm Infantry (37, 11).

IBT: Near Seoul: Rider killed by Persian Cavalry (37, 12). Privateer at Namp’0 is sunk by Persian ship (37, 13).
Abandoned Nykoping is occuplied by the Greeks.
Southwest of Orenro: Musketeer kills Mongol Camel Rider (38, 13); Musketeer kills Siege Crossbow (39, 13) Musketeer kills Crossbow (40, 13); Two Musketeers are killed by Siege Crossbows (40, 15); Musketeer killed by Chariot (40, 16); Musketeer killed by Camel Rider (40, 17).
Greeks are building the Crystal Palace.

1896 AD:
Northeast of Norrkoping: eRider kills Greek Dragoon (41, 17); Cavalry kill 2 Dragoons (43, 17); Cavalry kill 3 Horse Artillery (46, 17); Two Cavalry killed by Horse Artillery (46, 19); Rider killed by Napoleonic Camel Corps (46, 20); Two Cavalry killed by Camel Corps (46, 22); Hwach’a kills Camel Corp (47, 22); eHwach’a kills Camel Corp (48, 22); Cavalry kill 6 Camel Corps (54, 22); Rider kills Camel Corps (55, 22).

South of Seoul eRider kills Persian Dragoon (56, 22)

Southwest of Orenro: eRider kills Mongol Camel Rider (57, 22); eRider kills Camel Rider (58, 22). We get a Great Leader. Cavalry kill 5 Camel Riders (63, 22); Cavalry kill 4 Siege Crossbows (67, 22); Cavalry kill 2 Chariots (69, 22). Cavalry killed by Indian Bombard (69, 23); Cavalry kills Bombard (70, 23).

IBT: Spain declares war on the Australians.
South of Seoul, eRider killed by Persian Cannon (70, 24).
Near Norrkoping: Cavalry kills Greek Camel Musketeer (71, 24).
At Namp’o our Prirate ship is sunk by bombardment (72, 25).

1897 AD:
Great Leader rushes Observatory in L’vov.
Black Dot city founded. Cities culture destroys Turkish colony. No reaction from the Turks. They do not show up in our Foreign Advisor’s List.

Near Norrkoping: Cavalry kill 3 Greek Horse Artillery (75, 25); eRider kills Camel Corps (76, 25); Cavalry kills Horse Artillery (77, 25); Cavalry kills Camel Corps (78, 25).

Southwest of Orebro: Cavalry kills Mongol Siege Crossbow (79, 25); Cavalry kills Chariot (80, 25). Cavalry kills Indian Arquebusier (81, 25).

IBT: Near Norrkoping, Cavalry killed by Greek Camel Corps (81, 26).
Near Orebro, a Squad consisting of 4 Musketeers, 1 Cavalry and 1 Enslaver despite a galant effort (killing 8 and wounding many) is overrun by masses of the Mongol’s Golden Horde (89, 32).

1898 AD:
Near Orebro: eCavalry kills Mongolian Golden Horde (90, 32); Cavalry kills 4 Golden Horde (94, 32); Yogi kills Golden Horde (95, 32); eYogi kills Golden Horde (96, 32); Cavalry kills Medieval Infantry (97, 32); Cavalry kills Spearman (98, 32); Cavalry kills Golden Horde (99, 32); Enslavers capture 2 of the Golden Horde and kill 1 (102, 32); Cavalry kills Golden Horde (103, 32). Cavalry kills Indian Bombard (104, 32). eRider kills Greek Medieval Infantry (105, 32); Camel Musketeer kills Medieval Infantry(106, 32).

Near Yellow Dot: Rider kills Prussian Musket Infantry (107, 32); Rider kills Dragoon (107, 32); Rider killed by Cannon (107, 33); Medieval Infantry killed by Cannon (107, 34); Lawyer signs Cannon to singing contract (108, 34). Yellow Dot gets Doo-Wop culture (from Freddy “Boom Boom” Cannon).

1899 AD: We learn about Economics and begin studying Military Tradition.
Near Sariwon, eHwach’a kills Persian Cavalry (109, 34).

At Orebro: eCavalry kills Mongolian Bombard (110, 34); Cavalry kills 2 Camel Riders (112, 34). eRider kills Spanish Trebuchet (113, 34).

At Norrkoping, eHwach’a kills Greek Musket Infantry (114, 34); eRider kills Musket Infantry (115, 34).

IBT: Near Norrkoping: Musketeer kills Greek Camel Corps (116, 34); Musketeer killed by Horse Artillery (116, 35); Musketeer killed by Camel Corps (116, 36).
Near Orebro, Camel Musketeer killed by Golden Horde (116, 37).
At Stockholm, Musket Infantry and Cavalry combine to sink 2 Spanish ships attempting amphibious assaults (118, 37).

1900 AD:
Near Stockholm: eCavalry kills Spanish Rifle (119, 37); eCavalry kills Adventurer (120, 37); eRider kills Hussar (121, 37).

Bloody battle near Linkoping: We lose 3 Riders and 4 Cavalry killing 4 Greek Heavy Artillery, a Cannon, a Bombard and a Great Greek Leader (127, 44).

At Norrkoping Cavalry kill Greek Horse Artillery and a Camel Corps (129, 44).

At Orebro: Cavalry kills Mongolian Chariot (130, 44); Cavalry kills Golden Horde (131, 44); eYogi converts Pikeman (132, 44); Cavalry kill 4 Medieval Infantry (136, 44); eCamel Musketeer kills Spearman (137, 44). Camel Musketeer kills Viking Hospitaller Knight (138, 44). Rider kills Indian Arquebusier (139, 44).

Near Seoul: Cavalry kill 2 Persian Cavalry (141, 44); Cavalry kills Persian Cannon (142, 44). eHwach’a kills Arab Camel Corps (143, 44); eRider kills Camel Corps (144, 44); Riders kill 3 Camel Corps (147, 44); Rider kills Camel Musketeer (148, 44). Rider kills Prussian Line Infantry (149, 44); Rider killed by Heavy Artillery (149, 45); Rider kills Heavy Artillery (150, 45).

IBT: We celebrate the end of the 19th century and welcome in the 20th century.
Explorer killed by Greek Horse Artillery (150, 46).
By Orebro, Camel Musketeer killed by Mongolian Golden Horde (150, 47).
By Norrkoping, Musketeer killed by Greek Camel Corps (150, 48).

1901 AD:
Near Yellow Dot: Cavalry kills Arabian Camel Corps (151, 48); Cavalry kills 2 Camel Musketeers (153, 48). Rider kills Prussian Line Infantry (154, 48).

Near Stockholm, eCatapult killer kills Spanish Bombard (155, 48). eRider kills Mongolian Medieval Infantry (156, 48); Cavalry kills Medieval Infantry (157, 48).

Near Norrloping, eRider kills Greek Camel Corps (158, 48). eHwach’a kills Indian Musketeer (159, 48).

Repatriating Nykoping: Cavalry killed by Greek Rifleman (159, 49); Cavalry kill 2 Rifleman (161, 49). Once again Nykoping is part of our benevolent Monarchy.

Near Orebro: eCavalry kills Indian Crossbow (162, 49); Cavalry kills Crossbow (163, 49). eRider kills Mongolian Crossbow (164, 49); Cavalry kills Crossbow (165, 49); Yogi converts Crossbow (166, 49); eCamel Musketeer kills Golden Horde (167, 49). Hwach’a kills Spanish Adventurer (168, 49). We lose 1 Cavalry killing 4 Indian Musketeers (172, 50);

IBT: Near Nykoping, Cavalry killed by Greek Horse Artillery (172, 51).
Near Orebro, Enslaver killed by Mongolian Infantry (172, 52).
The Spanish, and Aztecs are building the Olympic Games. Aztecs are building the National Monument. Greeks are building the Eiffel Tower.

1902 AD:
Capture of Malmo: eCavalry kills Viking Musketeer (173, 52); Cavalry killed by Musketeer (173, 53); Cavalry kills Musketeer (174, 53); Cavalry kills a Camel (175, 53); Cavaly kills Knight (176, 53). The City is added to our benevolent Monarchy. Cavalry killed by Indian Musketeer (176, 54); Cavalry kills Musketeer (177, 54).
eHwach’a kills Spanish Adventurer (178, 54). We get a Great Leader. Cavalry kills 2 Adventurers (180, 54). Cavalry kills Mongolian Medieval Infantry (181, 54).

Near Nykoping, Cavalry kills Greek Horse Artillery (182, 54). Musketeers pillage mountain roads.

Near Yellow Dot: Cavalry and Riders combine to kill 3 Prussian Dragoons, an Aztec Cavalry and 2 Persian Cavalry (188, 54).

IBT: Near Malmo, Cavalry killed by Mongolian Golden Horde (188, 55). We learn Military Theory and begin researching Naval Power. If do steal Naval Power, I will study Napoleonic Age.

1903 AD:
Great Leader rushes Military Academy in Visby.

At Namp’o, our Pirate Ship sinks Persian Frigate (189, 55).

At Malmo: eCavalry kills Mongolian Golden Horde (190, 55);

At Nykoping: Cavalry killed by Greek Line Infantry (190, 56); eCavalry kills Musket Infantry (191, 56); Cavalry kills Musket Infantry (192, 56); Rider kills Musket Infantry (193, 56); Cavalry kills Grenadier (194, 56); Rider kills Grenadier (195, 56); Musket Infantry kills Line Infantry (196, 56); eHwach’a kills Bombard (197, 56).

Capture of Chittagong: Cavalry kills Indian Musketeer (198, 56); Cavalry killed by Musketeer (198, 56); Cavalry kill 2 Musketeers (200, 56). The city joins our benevolent Monarchy.

Near Yellow Dot: Rider kills Persian Nizam Infantry (201, 56).

East of future Blue Dot; Boom shakalaka kills Aztec Tlecuahuitl (202, 56).


Victory Screen: 13% world area 21% world population

Notes:

• Currently, if we do not rush any buildings or pay to upgrade troops it is going to take 6 turns to accumulate enough gold (4210) to attempt to steal Democracy from Persia. A steal from Greece currently costs 4666, Greece is building the Eiffel Tower so they know at least all the techs up to Steel and the same is true for Spain.
  • Spain’s border touches ours so we might be able to fuel our stealing with Spanish conquest gold.
• There is a combat roading crew enjoying the oasis between Stockholm and Orebro.
• There is a settler just southeast of Black Dot. I figure he is close to future Blue Dot and not a far walk from future Red dot.
• Some Screen shots in my next post

 

[Jersey Joe]

Here is the location of the Viking Capital.I found it by planting a spy then investigating the city.

Spoiler :

Next up is the Southern front.

Spoiler :

Here are our new cities Black Dot and Yellow Dot. We might want to reposition Blue Dot and maybe Red Dot.

Spoiler :

 

[Civinator]

A monk gives Nykoping a cultured blessing as we leave the city and warn the populace about Greeks bearing gifts.

 

[Elephantium]

Nice progress! I'm amazed to see us catch up this much in tech so quickly.

I'm inclined to put Blue Dot where the worker stack is -- next to the Gems mountain. Red dot can stay where LK proposed.

I've got it, but I'll pause for discussion before getting started.

 

[Jersey Joe]

The reason I mentioned Red dot is that is where all the Persian and Germany troops seem to enter our territory from. Persia's capital is due east of Seoul, a portion of the capital showed up in the fog when I planted a spy in Persia.
Persia has the capital city closest to us. Therefore, it is the cheapest place to steal from (if they have the tech we want).

I forgot to mention, there is a Lawyer fortified in Yellow Dot. He does not see much action, I though about moving him to the southern front.

 

[LKendter]

Spain’s border touches ours so we might be able to fuel our stealing with Spanish conquest gold.

Sadly it won’t. Spain is now broke with just $135. I have no clue where the cash is now. The most cash we see is the Aztecs with $3931.

Currently, if we do not rush any buildings or pay to upgrade troops it is going to take 6 turns to accumulate enough gold (4210) to attempt to steal Democracy from Persia.

The second we steal democracy, please build Constitution for the free happy face.
In addition, please build Capitol. Last game I proved it works as the FP. There was a big gain in productivity after it was built.

 

[LKendter]

We can’t get a break with civs. I knew about Greece already from the teaser. I also see Mongolia on the list. At least Mongolia is a tech lightweight. Spain built Neuschwanstein in Karakorum. That is probably why Mongolia is a dud.

Olympic Games being built is bad news. That means some civs are about to enter the industrial age.
I see great luck with steals with us also getting Naval Power.
With how things are going I will be working on the railroad during my next set.

China is probably the tech leader now. I caught they build Crystal Palace. I suspect that is where all the cash went.

 

[LKendter]

Who is the world is the red civ? We need to pillage that mountain tile and retreat before we make contact. This stack won't last through my turn.
Another civ to fight will slow us down. Could this be Turkey?

 

[LKendter]

Our cities badly need to be reviewed. There are way to many merchants. Scientist give 4 beakers vs 3 dollars from merchants. I would rather get more income from dropping the science slider.

 

[LKendter]

The capture of Chittagong was nice to see. India is starting to get chewed on.

I really hate that adventurers are in action. They were a royal pain last game.

The question if we will have rubber is already answered. I see it in the southern front picture.


ROSTER:
Multiple civs are probably south of Seoul. Please don’t explore much that direction.
I planned out 4 cities in the area. For now I don’t want to explore further until those 4 cities are built.

Spy targets = Germany (theocracy), Spain (theocracy), Aztec (democracy), Greece (theocracy), and Arabia (democracy). They are the 5 tech leaders. Remember, we can’t steal from republics. Spies in the other civs are a waste.

We just need to get ahead enough to build any wonder for our GA.


LKendter
Jersey Joe
Elephantium (up, and got it)
Greebley (on deck)

 

[LKendter]

IIRC balloons don't make contact with units they see. Can we build some to get a better idea of the edges of our territory?

 

[Elephantium]

Only a couple, though; they get annoying once we have better air units.

 

[Elephantium]

Why is Tangier building a Hospital? It's size 22!

Also, I want to ask about the Stock Exchange in West Coast. I'm thinking about switching it to Dockyards for more shields.

 

[Greebley]

I definitely think the dockyard is better.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Who is the world is the red civ? We need to pillage that mountain tile and retreat before we make contact. This stack won't last through my turn.
Another civ to fight will slow us down. Could this be Turkey?

Yes, I believe it is Turkey, it is the same color as the horse colony was.

Why is Tangier building a Hospital? It's size 22!

Also, I want to ask about the Stock Exchange in West Coast. I'm thinking about switching it to Dockyards for more shields.

No good reason for Tangier to need a Hospital. I cannot think of a reason why I might have started building it.
Stock Exchange was started before we got Naval Power. The extra shields from Dockyards are definitely worth it.

 

[Elephantium]

I'm about halfway through my set. I've started researching Democracy while saving up for steal attempts.

In the meantime, I've captured Spanish Treasure Fleet, giving Dockyards in all cities. It goes obsolete with Industrialization, so I'm inclined to run a few more turns to attempt to steal both Industrialization and RR in one go, meanwhile benefiting from the extra shields.

Thoughts? Democracy is due in 2-4 turns, and we'll have enough gold to attempt two steals by the end of my turnset (~1500 gpt, 4500-4700 cost for Immediate steals).