Meanwhile in the Middle East: "Arab Spring can turn into radical Islamist Winter"
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Just today I saw a report on Euronews about the economic difficulties Palestinian businesses encounter due to the "occupation". Interestingly, even though the report's tone was the usual "Israeli occupation is bad", the Palestinian business owners questioned were actually afraid of Palestinian independence. They fear that if Palestine becomes independent, they'll lose access to Israeli markets, on which their business largely depend.
Now, if the Palestinian willingly shut themselves off from Israel, their state wouldn't last more than a few months. Their economy would plunge to Third World levels.
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So long as we don't get a "New Caliphate" I'm pretty cool with this. Oh, and as long as nobody invades Israel.
Edit: I like the term "Islamist Winter" it has a nice ring to it.
Edit: I like the term "Islamist Winter" it has a nice ring to it.
Israel hates the people of the nations surrounding them because of their ethnicity. I don't see why they deserve a free pass.
Also, when using the term "Israel," it is simply a shortened version of "State of Israel" and is referring to the Israeli government.
Also, when using the term "Israel," it is simply a shortened version of "State of Israel" and is referring to the Israeli government.
carmen510
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The Israelis have done a pretty thorough job to stifle the Palestinian economy by themselves though. Palestinians actually want to engage in trade; Israel benefits from the lower prices of goods and Palestinians lift themselves from poverty.
B'Tselem's Report on the Restriction of Movement Israel Imposes, and how it hurts the Palestinian economy
World Bank Report on the above topic
The Electronic Intifada's Report on Israeli Trade Restrictions
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Yes, continuing terrorism doesn't really help foster healthy trade relations.
But I agree that Israel should drop measures that aren't really necessary and serve just to annoy the Pallies.
But I agree that Israel should drop measures that aren't really necessary and serve just to annoy the Pallies.
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Oh I was talking about the Arab spring not Palestine. If the Brotherhood takes over then we may have a Caliphate.
Ajidica
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Why would we get that? At their most extreme they would like an Islamic Republic which is most definately not a caliphate.
Looking at it historicaly, would a Caliphate be all that bad? The Ummayad and Abbasid Caliphates were generaly pretty decent places, far better then what Charlemagne or the Capetians could muster.
Looking at it historicaly, would a Caliphate be all that bad? The Ummayad and Abbasid Caliphates were generaly pretty decent places, far better then what Charlemagne or the Capetians could muster.
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Um, unfortunately, that makes zero sense...
The West has clearly grown leaps and bounds beyond any of these examples.
So's the rest of this thread, dude. I'm obviously just having fun.
I don't believe in any new war coming in next years, unless Israel does something very stupid. Of course, I'm not a prophet or anything, but it just doesn't seem likely. Syria's too busy. Lebanon's too busy, even if it counted at all. Jordan will not attack Israel. Egypt's busy with its own internal affairs and I don't think MB or anyone else would want to lose its support among the population by starting a new war they're bound to lose. Of course there's more tension, because until recently, they were quieted by Mubarak regime, and only now people can express themselves. And because Israel continues to occupy what is accepted as Palestine. Of course MB and others will play anti-israeli card. But I simply don't believe they will go to war. They have too much to lose, and the prospect of victory is not likely. My opinion is a lot of noise and no war, unless Israel panics and does something irresponsible. That's just my opinion. Everything will continue as always. If Israelis complain it is because, as it was mentioned, they've lost their partners and democratic gouverments are harder to, sort of, bribe (as shown in Civ 
). And because it will be even harder now to pose as The Only Democracy In The Region.
). And because it will be even harder now to pose as The Only Democracy In The Region.
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I couldn't have said it better myself!
I loled.True, that's a threat. Good that the Coptic Christians are such a minority or else we'd face the danger of a restored Byzantine Empire
Traitorfish
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One must first understand the real reason behind the revolution in eygypt before they say anything else. According to one shia scholar who i as a "nuetrul" muslim have alot of respect for says the reason behind the revolution was because mubarak supported israel, and the people of eygypt felt ashamed for the palestinian peoples suffrage while they where supporting it. America is trying to cover up the reason behind the revolution using the media by saying that the main drive of the revolution was eygypts economical problems. Though this was certaintly a driving factor, but the sole reason was because of them supporting israel, and how israel is destroying diplomacy in the middle east.
So the idf is right, eygypt is hostile towards israel, but it has nothing to do with religion, nothing to do soley with culture, but has to do with israels policys. And the nation that they where destroying, palestine. Just think what an easy fix this could be, perhaps no state of isreal? just for them to leave and give the palestinians there land back?
I love jews and farther more israeli jews aswell, for me they can call the land israel (though i wouldnt really like the name much) as long as they can handle diplomacy better.
And even if was a religious issue, who could blame them? The water that jesus (pbuh) is said to have walked on the lake gog and magog is becomming smaller and smaller everyday due to israels poor use of water. The land where the children of israel made them selves a home is being gassed with white phospherus. And the site of the farvest Majid the third holiest place in islam is having israel slowly dig underneath it to escivate the holy site. But at the end of the day, its about murder and "casultys of war"
But i certaintly trust that eygypt dosnt do anything yet, just wait for the awakening american people do something to help the situation.
So the idf is right, eygypt is hostile towards israel, but it has nothing to do with religion, nothing to do soley with culture, but has to do with israels policys. And the nation that they where destroying, palestine. Just think what an easy fix this could be, perhaps no state of isreal? just for them to leave and give the palestinians there land back?
I love jews and farther more israeli jews aswell, for me they can call the land israel (though i wouldnt really like the name much) as long as they can handle diplomacy better.
And even if was a religious issue, who could blame them? The water that jesus (pbuh) is said to have walked on the lake gog and magog is becomming smaller and smaller everyday due to israels poor use of water. The land where the children of israel made them selves a home is being gassed with white phospherus. And the site of the farvest Majid the third holiest place in islam is having israel slowly dig underneath it to escivate the holy site. But at the end of the day, its about murder and "casultys of war"
But i certaintly trust that eygypt dosnt do anything yet, just wait for the awakening american people do something to help the situation.
Well, take out the Young Pretender and you might actually have something there.
