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Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by Xandinho, Jun 26, 2019.

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  1. Jkchart

    Jkchart Chieftain

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    Berbers - 2-3 =0 ELIMINATED. Easy to vote someone off the island when they're on the edge. I also personally want Morocco to return. Not that the Berbers are a bad choice at all!
    Bulgaria - 11+1 = 12. The Bulgarian Empire was historically significant and helped shape the Balkans in the Middle Ages. There's so much potential with these guys, I really am sad about the hate they are getting.

    Burma - 18
    Colombia - 6
    Gaul - 13
    Goths -18
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 12
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 12
    Vietnam - 20
     
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  2. PhoenicianGold

    PhoenicianGold Chieftain

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    Armenia - 16
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 12
    Burma - 18
    Colombia - 7 (6 + 1) - This is the last time I upvote this because there are other civs that need saving, but I do have to observe that we already have Hungary a civ which survived with some core territory for centuries but only had a very small period of expansion before collapsing back into its old borders. Gran Colombia, before seceding from the Spanish, was New Granada for a couple centuries, creating a sort of cultural continuity that long preceded Bolivar. And even to this day, Colombia and Venezuela are culturally sister countries with very collaborative peoples. Although Gran Colombia didn't last long, neither did the Hungarian "empire" under Matthias Corvinus, and yet Hungary was added for its long-standing regional influence. The fact that Colombia can reasonably tie into both the Muisca (Museo del Oro) and the Arawakan/Taino continuum (canoe) makes it potentially one of the most multi-faceted candidates, and even if I'm not sure how it might be streamlined into a cohesive concept, it has far more potential than several civs on this list. It could be for the Caribbean and Amazon river basin what the Maori are for Polynesia or Scythia for the Eurasian steppe. Really great niche filler.
    Gauls - 10 (13 - 3) - The idea that we need a Celt civ seems an unnecessarily limiting argument from tradition that ignores the design space that has been filled and opened up by Scotland. We have a great civ repping the modern six Celtic nations that have survived history, and if that still doesn't feel like it's representing the diversity of Celtic heritage or hitting the flavor right, Ireland is still in the running. Although I think expecting opportunities for contemporaneous battles to generally go against Civ's desire to span time rather than snapshot it, if you want something for Rome to fight against, the Goths are imo a much more dramatic and influential adversary. And even if you're not sold on the Goths as a contemporary, it seems like Germany is set to get a second leader and we may get Arminius. In conclusion, Verc looks like my yeardie Latin teacher from high school in bad LotR cosplay, and we can do better.
    Goths -18
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 12
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 12
    Vietnam - 20
     
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  3. TahamiTsunami

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    I definitely agree with voting on what we'd like to see since otherwise Tibet and the Pueblo would never be in these games. Even ignoring my thoughts that we could see a more specific Puebloan group like the Hopi or Acoma, my contention was that Tibet was upvoted to the top regardless of its unlikeliness because the opinions of the Chinese government shouldn't stop us from voting for it in a little forum game but many of the down votes for the Pueblo were specifically because of its unlikeliness. Sure, the people themselves had an issue with appearing but like with Tibet I don't necessarily think that should be an issue in a forum game. I just found it a little inconsistent is all so i apologize if i was seen as being a bit contentious. For the record I do genuinely like Tibet.

    Armenia - 16
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 12
    Burma - 18
    Colombia - 8 (7 + 1) I'll get back to upvoting the Tlingit after I give some love to Colombia because I agree that there is potential for quite a unique civ here. I'd be less certain if it was a 1 v 1 between this and Muisca or Argentina but if it's the only SA civ left then I think it's worth considering for at least a bit longer.
    Gauls - 10
    Goths -18
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 9 (12 - 3) They're a cool choice but there are other European choices in this list that I'd personally like more.
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 12
    Vietnam - 20
     
  4. Morningcalm

    Morningcalm Keeper of Records

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    Armenia - 16
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 12
    Burma - 18
    Colombia - 8 + 1 = 9 As pointed out elsewhere, we kinda need another South American representative, and Colombia is a shortcut to getting numerous other modern nations’ contributions against colonial Spain represented. And as far as big personalities, there are relatively few leaders for civs remaining that would fit the Civ VI bill better than Simon Bolivar. Also, even though I don’t like coffee, Colombian coffee is a force to be reckoned with. And I want to see allusions to the Colombian ethnic and cultural diversity more than I want to see a less diverse group represented. I think at least several other groups remaining on this list are less important, and occupy more troubling spots on a potential TSL map, let alone representation world map.
    Gauls - 10 - 3 = 7 (I prefer the Goths since they were overall more successful against Rome, and not because they sacked Rome, but because under leaders like Theodoric they had some significant infrastructure and political involvement with Huns, Byzantines, and other groups. Vercingetorix and others are fun ideas, but I think their legacy and fame was somewhat less significant than Theodoric the Great and other Gothic rulers like Alaric.)

    Goths -18
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 9
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 12
    Vietnam - 20
     
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  5. Henri Christophe

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    Armenia - 16
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    Burma - 18
    Colombia -9 + 1 = 10 Simon Bolivar conquer more land than Napoleon, Napoleon had a short empire and was already a leader in Civ 5. (I'm saying that because someone here use the argument the Gran- Colombia was a short lived country) Also that is false, because Colombia still existing and it is the oldest country of spanish-america. It's just lost the lands of Venezuela and Equador.
    Gauls - 7
    Goths -18 -3 = 15 We already have Germany, the union of all germanic tribes, includes the Goths.... And if we think the Visigoths as different nation, I will also argue we already have Spain.

    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 9
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 12
    Vietnam - 20
     
  6. Xandinho

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    Armenia - 16
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 12
    Burma - 18
    Colombia - 11 (10+1) Simon Bolivar is simply shouting for Civ6.
    Gauls - 7
    Goths - 15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 9
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 9 (12-3) I'm sorry the defenders of this, you gave good arguments in defense of this that made me back down on give downvotes on this before, but it still was not enough to arouse my interest, not as much as the others on this list. I have nothing against this, but this seems to me very small, and if we are going to add small native civilizations along the American continent, there are many of them. Navajo, which is on the list, seems more interesting.
    Vietnam - 20
     
  7. AmazonQueen

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    Armenia - 16
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 12
    Burma - 18
    Colombia - 11-3=8. Don't like colonial nations. Don't care if they are former English, Spanish, Portugese or somebody elses colony. They are an offshoot, not a civ in their own right. I reluctantly accept USA but its got out of hand in Civ VI.
    Gauls - 7
    Goths - 15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 9+1=10. An Italian civ based on either the city-state era of the middle ages and renaissance or the 19th century nation-state of Cavour and Garibaldi (or both with alternate leaders. Don't think there are many civs with so many potential alternate leaders) seems long overdue to me.
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 9
    Vietnam - 20
     
  8. TeddyMain

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    Armenia - 16
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    Burma - 19 (18+1) I've seen some people debating between Burma and Vietnam on this forum, but I feel Burma cannot be overlooked, especially under Bayinnuang and the Toungoo dynasty. Despite the empire's short longevity, it was the largest nation in the history of Southeast Asia, spanning from Eastern India to Vietnam, and unified the Irrawaddy valley for the first time in 300 years. The empire's administrative reforms acted as precedents for policies in both restored Toungoo Burma and Siam, their political and cultural integration spread allowed the Burmese culture to modernize and spread, and the dynasty's military and political figures are celebrated in not just modern day Burma, but also Thailand and Laos. I'm aware that there is a extremely good Burma mod on the Steam workshop, but I'm fairly sure that mods don't de-confirm new civs.
    Colombia - 8
    Gauls - 4 (7-3) As Phoenician has said before, there are better picks for a Celtic representative, such as Ireland, or as a ancient rival to the Romans, like the Goths. Also, and this is my opinion (please don't kill me), but I feel like Vercingetorix was overrated. Now hear me out about this one: Yes, he did unite the Gauls in the last phase of Julius Caesar's invasion of Gaul, but it was ultimately useless since Caesar had already exploited the Gauls' internal divisions to subjugate the country and in the end he only won a single battle. He wasn't much of a successful leader IMO, and if he is the best that the Gauls have to offer, I personally wouldn't be willing to welcome a Gaelic civ over other European options.
    Goths -15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 10
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 12
    Vietnam - 20
     
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  9. Xandinho

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    My last downvote at Tlingit was skipped, just correcting the score.

    Armenia - 16
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 12
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 8
    Gauls - 4
    Goths -15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 10
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 9
    Vietnam - 20
     
  10. Amrunril

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    Armenia - 16
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 9 (12 - 3) Yes, they were a major power in a specific subregion for certain periods of history. There's not a single civ on this list, though, that this can't be said for (except maybe Israel), and plenty of those other civs come from subregions and cultural groups that aren't already represented.
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 8
    Gauls - 4
    Goths -15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 10
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 10 (9 + 1) Instantly recognizable cultural icons, and a history and culture that would be fascinating yet novel to most players. This is more or less the ideal candidate for inclusion.
    Vietnam - 20
     
  11. Cave Johnson

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    Armenia - 13 (16-3) Without a doubt a country with an interesting history, but in this case I too think Georgia and this would be too much.
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 12
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 9 (8+1) My favorite is at the top, so I'll try to buy this one a little more time. South America could use a tad bit more representation, and this country seems like an interesting possibility to me.
    Gauls - 4
    Goths -15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 10
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 9
    Vietnam - 20
     
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  12. The Kingmaker

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    Armenia - 13
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 12
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 9-3=6 Nothing against Simon Bolivar.
    Gauls - 4+1=5 Another upvote for a great early Celtic civ. Lay off poor Vercingetorix. Insulting the dead is uncouth.
    Goths -15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 10
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 9
    Vietnam - 20
     
  13. Lord Lakely

    Lord Lakely Unintentionally a feminist.

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    Armenia - 13
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 12
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 3 (6-3) I actually wouldn't mind Colombia and I certainly want them in before Argentina, but I'd prefer another native tribe if at all possible (like the Muisca, in fact)
    Gauls - 5
    Goths -15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 10
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18
    Tlingit - 9
    Vietnam - 21 (20 +1) I'm surprised Vietnam is still parked at 20 points with no upvotes. It's easily the most high profile name on this list. Turning them into an interesting civ should be a piece of cake.
     
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    Armenia - 13
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    Bulgaria - 12-3=9 similar previous reason, many European civs have better claim than them
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 3
    Gauls - 5
    Goths -15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 10
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 18+1= 19 most people are ignorant about them,may be PRC propaganda is working good but they r really unique and different from rest of central,east Asia. I would count them in Indosphere.
    Tlingit - 9
    Vietnam - 21
     
  15. Henri Christophe

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    Colombia isn't a colonial nation, who still a colonia are Canada and Australia, and they are already in Civ 6; Colombia is pos-colonial age. The Republican Age as USA.
     
  16. Xandinho

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    Amrunril's votes in Bulgaria and Tlingit were skipped, just correcting.

    Armenia - 13
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 6
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 3
    Gauls - 5
    Goths -15
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 10
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 19
    Tlingit - 10
    Vietnam - 21
     
  17. Alexander's Hetaroi

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    Armenia - 13
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 6
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 3
    Gauls - 5
    Goths -15-3=12 Just not a fan and would prefer Gaul even though I don't think they will make it either. But to me they are the weakest of the remaining Civs on the list.
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 10+1=11. Most influential civ on here starting the Renaissance Era.
    Madagascar - 18
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 19
    Tlingit - 10
    Vietnam - 21
     
  18. 679x

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    Armenia - 10 (13-3) I don't have anything against Armenia, but Georgia's already in the game and I don't really see what kind of new things Armenia brings to the table.
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 6
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 3
    Gauls - 5
    Goths -12
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 11
    Madagascar - 19 (18+1) - It's true that Madagascar didn't really have a big impact outside of the actual island of Madagascar. But I don't see that as problematic for its inclusion. It's got enough else going for it that I think it deserves a spot in Civ. Plus, I still think we're in great need of more African civs.
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 19
    Tlingit - 10
    Vietnam - 21

    So after voting all these times, I've made a few changes to my vote post to make it easier for others to vote afterward. Kinda streamlining the process. No more bold, and putting the new number of points first before I include the math involved with the vote, so that you can delete everything in front of the new number of points. Hope that helps anyone lazy out there, haha!
     
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    Armenia - 10
    Ashanti - 22
    Bulgaria - 6
    Burma - 19
    Colombia - 0= 3-3 ELIMINATED - I don't usually vote twice the same way, but these guys should go I think. There were definitely more interesting options available to cover this region.
    Gauls - 5
    Goths -12
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 11
    Madagascar - 19
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 20 = 19+1 - The mechanical space for a mountains + faith civ is pretty interesting. They'd be a nice counterpoint to the Inca.
    Tlingit - 10
    Vietnam - 21
     
  20. Henri Christophe

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    Armenia - 10
    Ashanti - 22 +1 = 23 (It's a moment of the history who had any representation in this game)
    Bulgaria - 6
    Burma - 19
    Gauls - 5
    Goths -12
    Hebrews - 24
    Italy - 11 - 3 = 8 It's not a civilization, just a country.
    Madagascar - 19
    Navajo - 25
    Swahili - 20
    Tibet - 20
    Tlingit - 10
    Vietnam - 21
     
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