New EU population data released - EU pop. now over half a billion

[Bast]

Europe is going to be the new Superpower of the 21st century and France is going to be spearheading that power.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Middle class children are better than lower class children then?

Only if the country has low social mobility and people usually stay in the class they're born into.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Europe is going to be the new Superpower of the 21st century and France is going to be spearheading that power.

When they aren't on strike, maybe.

 

[Ayn Rand]

Middle class children are better than lower class children then?

I didn't say that. However, I do oppose putting more and more burdens onto the decent, intelligent and law-abiding part of our population, diminishing their population size, while doing everything possible to facilitate and subsidise the breeding of reckless or lazy parts of our population, or outsiders with no right to be a burden on our Nation.

The majority of working-class people also look after themselves and don't need handouts from the State. What socialism always ends up doing is to drain the strong and healthy part of the population while encouraging the growth of less productive parts of the population through subsidies or immigration. That is exactly what is happening all over Europe with Social Democracy.

However, the left will keep the blindfold on us all the way to the end.

German births last year: 33% born to immigrants
English births last year: 25% born to immigrants

How long until it reaches 50%? Not long until Germans are a minority in their own country [one generation will do it].

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Good thing no european country is socialist...

 

[Dachs]

I didn't say that. However, I do oppose putting more and more burdens onto the decent, intelligent and law-abiding part of our population, diminishing their population size, while doing everything possible to facilitate and subsidise the breeding of reckless or lazy parts of our population, or outsiders with no right to be a burden on our Nation.

Good God, people actually think like this?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

It was quite popular in Germany during the 1930s and 40s I think.

 

[Winner]

Good thing no european country is socialist...

Good God, people actually think like this?

Don't listen to the devil (see post count):

 

[Ayn Rand]

Don't listen to the devil (see post count):

 

[GinandTonic]

However, the left will keep the blindfold on us all the way to the end.

German births last year: 33% born to immigrants
English births last year: 25% born to immigrants

How long until it reaches 50%? Not long until Germans are a minority in their own country [one generation will do it].

No it wont.

 

[Truronian]

I didn't say that. However, I do oppose putting more and more burdens onto the decent, intelligent and law-abiding part of our population, diminishing their population size, while doing everything possible to facilitate and subsidise the breeding of reckless or lazy parts of our population, or outsiders with no right to be a burden on our Nation.

What your effectively saying here is that you believe that children born to parents that can't afford to bring them up should be ignored by society. The poor and the destitute will breed whether or not they receive money from the state, how do you suggest we ensure the safety of these children?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Convince them to become libertarian, thus ensuring members of the opposite sex will shy away from them?

 

[Ayn Rand]

What your effectively saying here is that you believe that children born to parents that can't afford to bring them up should be ignored by society. The poor and the destitute will breed whether or not they receive money from the state, how do you suggest we ensure the safety of these children?

Send their parents out to get a job? I know that's unthinkable - working hard and everything, but it's what most people manage to do for their kids.

Shock, horror! I'm such a nazi People working to support their own children?! And people coming to this country and getting actual jobs!


@paradigmshifter - or we could give them a liverpool accent

 

[Truronian]

Send their parents out to get a job? I know that's unthinkable - working hard and everything, but it's what most people manage to do for their kids.

Shock, horror! I'm such a nazi People working to support their own children?! And people coming to this country and getting actual jobs!

And if they can't (or won't) get a job? Do the children starve?

 

[Ayn Rand]

And if they can't (or won't) get a job? Do the children starve?

We're getting slightly off-topic. However, it depends why they can't get a job [economy, disability etc]. You know I'm not referring to genuine cases but to the Jeremy-Kyle wannabes

If someone won't provide for their own children, they don't deserve to have that child, or any other children. I think that is pretty simple and pretty fair. The child is obviously being neglected in such a situation and should be adopted..

 

[ParadigmShifter]

There are enough kids up for adoption that haven't been placed already. EDIT: A quick search suggested that 20% of kids up for adoption were placed last year.

Are you really advocating the state takes people's children away from them?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If someone won't provide for their own children, they don't deserve to have that child, or any other children. I think that is pretty simple and pretty fair. The child is obviously being neglected in such a situation and should be adopted..

you are kidding, right?

 

[Arwon]

The European population news keeps getting worse and worse, and will continue to do so. Decent middle-class English people constantly delay having children because of the expense and stress, even as they pay for unemployed people and immigrants to breed at their expense. That's the logic of socialism for you though.

For someone who calls themselves a libertarian you really don't believe in people as individuals, do you?

 

[Cutlass]

I didn't say that. However, I do oppose putting more and more burdens onto the decent, intelligent and law-abiding part of our population, diminishing their population size, while doing everything possible to facilitate and subsidise the breeding of reckless or lazy parts of our population, or outsiders with no right to be a burden on our Nation.

The majority of working-class people also look after themselves and don't need handouts from the State. What socialism always ends up doing is to drain the strong and healthy part of the population while encouraging the growth of less productive parts of the population through subsidies or immigration. That is exactly what is happening all over Europe with Social Democracy.

However, the left will keep the blindfold on us all the way to the end.

German births last year: 33% born to immigrants
English births last year: 25% born to immigrants

How long until it reaches 50%? Not long until Germans are a minority in their own country [one generation will do it].

Why is it you have never addressed the reality that the economy will not provide jobs for those people that you call "lazy"? That if they don't receive welfare, they have no choices other than death or crime? And that you personally benefit from the system that will not permit them to work?

 

[Bill3000]

For someone who calls themselves a libertarian you really don't believe in people as individuals, do you?

Nah, it's been quite obvious for a while now that he's just a statist Tory.