None Shall Pass [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

and you know why?
because one is stick with being LOTR/SW, but most of players (I think) can become cultists?

This is a very interesting comment. I have now heard from two independent sources that there are players who cannot become cultists.

To re-direct the conversation back to the task of solving the game, which believe it or not my pressure on Visorslash was attempting to do, and I got derailed by clearly partisan and/or poor meta pressure:

This is coming from more directions than can be possible from existing cultists. Obviously some townies on both sides are aware of a distinction between roles- some roles can never be anything but townies, and others, can switch sides.

Further, there's a role which claims to be able to detect susceptibility to cult conversion. Claimed so early that I would be baffled if such a role was a starting cultist role, and furthermore, I'd be baffled that such a role could be itself susceptible to conversion, because that causes the cult side to be overpowered in comparison to the town sides. Not only does the incorruptible (to borrow a Capo term) town need such a role to survive (along with the two vigilantes) but it cannot be convertible, otherwise the role is stolen from the town side and beefs up the cult side.

But I'm certainly willing to explore the possibility that this role is a cultist and vote for them. I hope this makes my position clear.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I call your bluff.

You act like you're holding a pair of aces, but you probably have no pair at all, other than maybe that pair of lightsaber-crystal balls.

I'm not bluffing and you're on particularly dangerous ground, sir.

 

[Camikaze]

[Crosspost] So I haven't played a game for a while, but doesn't ATPG always play like he's holding a pair of aces? He doesn't, however, always play like he's trying to get himself lynched.

 

[Arakhor]

ATPG, if I voted for you simply because you were from Star Wars rather than LotR, that would be fairly obvious this early on. In fact, you were the only one I was getting a 'vibe' from, which is why I did it.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

So I haven't played a game for a while, but doesn't ATPG always play like he's holding a pair of aces? He doesn't, however, always play like he's trying to get himself lynched.

This confuses Pizzaman.

I've been playing like I'm trying to absorb a murder, not a lynch.

However, as the round progressed, I decided there was no murder in this game, only vigilantes. Now I'm not sure exactly how to play it, especially in the face of a partisan wagon.

I also should be obvious not cult, I honestly don't understand where any actual suspicion is coming from. If you're wondering why votes which were on me are peeling off of me one by one, it's because I'm diligently repairing the damage you guys are causing with private pow-wows.

It's an extremely bad move to resolve me today.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, if I voted for you simply because you were from Star Wars rather than LotR, that would be fairly obvious this early on. In fact, you were the only one I was getting a 'vibe' from, which is why I did it.

Yeah I know that, and that is an incredibly bad reason to vote this early.

You exposed yourself and several others from your side at the same time by pushing it.

You could have simply waited for Aragorn to resolve me. Think strategically. It's not necessary to personally vote for every star wars dude if you're LOTR.

Some semblance of cross-town cooperating in the face of two cults would be spectacular as well.

 

[SouthernKing]

All it does is tell me that you have no interest in hunting actual cultists and are playing against the SW side. I double and triple post in every game, and you were in the last one where I did exactly this or worse. I bet you my consecutive post record in that game is actually higher in that one than in this one, because much of the player base was mute last time. Much easier to consecutive post when you're the only one talking.

Perilously close to voting me for posting more than you, but you get let go because you're actually claiming I'm scum because of something I already do every day of every game on every forum. Absolutely horrendous and intellectually dishonest reasoning still counts as reasoning.

Note how I mentioned that I changed my votes because of the content of those posts, not the fact that those posts happened, or that they happened consecutive;y. And it has nothing to do with what side you're on vs. what side I'm on either, while we're on the subject.

 

[spaceman98]

Got to bottom of page 7 and saw there were 4 more pages That's all I need to Vote: ATPG

That's a fairly bad vote. Your voting for Pizza because he's posting a lot? In other words, doing the opposite of what scum would do in a game of inactives?

Since it looks like dcmort will survive for now, unvote: vote:TBK

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Note how I mentioned that I changed my votes because of the content of those posts, not the fact that those posts happened, or that they happened consecutive;y. And it has nothing to do with what side you're on vs. what side I'm on either, while we're on the subject.

If need be I can include you on my whirlwind "apology tour", and watch your vote peel off of me as well.

Why don't you tell the entire class precisely what is scummy about the content contained within my posts. A vague descriptor just isn't cutting the mustard with me today.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's a fairly bad vote. Your voting for Pizza because he's posting a lot? In other words, doing the opposite of what scum would do in a game of inactives?

To be fair, I did go supertownie in the previous game as scum, but that's because any losses due to nightkill would have ended our run, and the only nightkill I was worried about was the opposing scum's.

Also I've just been informed that cult susceptibility scanner guy didn't out himself. That makes the whole situation make a lot more sense to me.

Not sure if that's better or worse for the guy. Thinking better, because that means a blunder was not committed. But then again, wouldn't both cults need such a scanner?

The role is 50/50 town or cult. I could go public with it, but it's such a horrendous loss for the town side if he's town.

 

[dcmort93]

ATPG you made me read 5 pages of scummyness. Vote ATPG

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG you made me read 5 pages of scummyness. Vote ATPG

Oh, I will never be moved at all by whining about having to read in a text-based forum-based message board game.

I promise you, all this will do is cement within me the resolve to post even more, and if necessary, drive away the lurkers who cannot stand to either post or read posts in a game that is based on posting.

Nothing anyone posts, and no amount of votes, will make Pizza into a 10-post per round poster.

 

[edse]

That's a fairly bad vote. Your voting for Pizza because he's posting a lot? In other words, doing the opposite of what scum would do in a game of inactives?

Since it looks like dcmort will survive for now, unvote: vote:TBK

Uhm, it was like, a joke

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I grow weary of voting for TBK. More analysis leads me to the point where I'm not thinking any of my voters are presently cult. They don't need to, and it would be a poor move tactically.

I like my SamSniped vote from yesterday. Excellent place to start.

Unvote

Vote SamSniped

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

A Dumanios is fine as well. Not allowed to edit that in.

 

[edse]

How should we handle the split town? Full war or what? The other town basically counts as enemies so about 20 of the 33 players are opponents.

 

[spaceman98]

How should we handle the split town? Full war or what? The other town basically counts as enemies so about 20 of the 33 players are opponents.

Simple, TBK the warmonger. We work together to get rid of the two cults, which are much greater threats, and after that, turn on each other like the rabid dogs we really are.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

How should we handle the split town? Full war or what? The other town basically counts as enemies so about 20 of the 33 players are opponents.

A full war is terrible, as it will cause almost every player of each side to focus more on voting as a bloc to prevent own-side deaths and directing the vigilantes to focus on obvious members of the other side. In the crossfire, it's also extremely easy for actual cultists to avoid pushing people's buttons. For example, let's suppose everyone voting me is townie, and are voting me for partisan or silly reasons. The dozens of other players not doing so have the following forms of cover:

1) No vote pressure on them, or no meaningful vote pressure on them
2) Easy bandwagon option, in case things get worse for someone
3) No need to worry too much about offending someone with your vote as it's unlikely to generate either traction, reaction, or someone going OMGUS since they won't hang anyway.

Full war this early is even worse than lynching me for posting moar. There's no upside for anyone except the cultists.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Simple, TBK the warmonger. We work together to get rid of the two cults, which are much greater threats, and after that, turn on each other like the rabid dogs we really are.

*Nods with approval*

This is the correct strategy. Regardless of how you feel about me.

I won't call for backlash against my voters unless the wagon starts to obviously look like the LOTR side is simply declaring war on us.

Palp should try to locate cultists even if I lynch, if the lynch vote isn't outrageous.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Choxorn's vote will be peeling off of me momentarily.

Getting the message yet, or shall I continue?

Fortunately for you guys who hate reading, I just got called into work for a few hours.

Enjoy the reprieve, everyone voting for me is LOTR or a silly banana.