Osama Bin Laden killed near Islamabad by US Forces

Mobboss admits he rarely watches any videos posted by others, ostensibly because they are blocked at work.


Link to video.

She must have really well-developed pecs in order to handle the recoil so easily.
 
An AK-47 doesn't have same kick that a shotgun does. It uses a weaker gunpowder (lacks the primers in shotgun shells, as well) and they typically have recoil springs in the stock to absorb most of the energy.

[Edit:] Assuming a non-automatic shotgun using 12-gauge. Fun fact: One of the primers in a 12-gauge shell contains up to 50% nitroglycerin.
[Edit2:] As per video - no stock being used, so no recoil spring, so meh. Still, it's a weaker charge and part of the energy is used to chamber a new round.
 
I've seen this somewhere before.... .... I think it's one post above. *trollface*

Mobboss admits he rarely watches any videos posted by others, ostensibly because they are blocked at work.

Well, I posted that from home, so its not that. The first video was kinda long, so I only watched the first minute of it or so, and didnt see my singular offer was a repeat. I had seen what I linked before so went and found it specifically. Why is that a problem?
 
It is odd that apparently most of the rest of the .mil computer system has no such restrictions, except under very unusual circumstances:

U.S. military blocks websites to help Japan recovery efforts

The U.S. military has blocked access to a range of popular commercial websites in order to free up bandwidth for use in Japan recovery efforts, according to an e-mail obtained by CNN and confirmed by a spokesman for U.S. Strategic Command.

The sites -- including YouTube, ESPN, Amazon, eBay and MTV -- were chosen not because of the content but because their popularity among users of military computers account for significant bandwidth, according to Strategic Command spokesman Rodney Ellison.

The block, instituted Monday, is intended "to make sure bandwidth was available in Japan for military operations" as the United States helps in the aftermath of last week's deadly earthquake and tsunami, Ellison explained.

U.S. Pacific Command made the request to free up the bandwidth. The sites, 13 in all, are blocked across the Department of Defense's .mil computer system.

"This is a response to a time of extreme demand for networks," Ellison said.

Ellison emphasized that it was a temporary measure.


"This blockage will be of a temporary nature and may increase or decrease in the size and scope as necessary," according to the message distributed to military announcing the move.

"We are doing this to facilitate the recovery efforts under way in Japan," Ellison explained. "We are trying to make sure we are giving them as many avenues and as much support as we can."

The blocked websites are:

* Youtube.com

* Googlevideo.com

* Amazon.com

* ESPN.go.com

* eBay.com

* Doubleclick.com

* Eyewonder.com

* Pandora.com

* streamtheworld.com

* Mtv.com

* Ifilm.com

* Myspace.com

* Metacafe.com
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Those sites should be blocked automatically from most government work computers. In this era of big deficits, we should expect taxpayer provided resources ( such bandwith usage, storage, equipment, and employee time) to be used exclsuively for the nation's business.
 
An AK-47 doesn't have same kick that a shotgun does. It uses a weaker gunpowder (lacks the primers in shotgun shells, as well) and they typically have recoil springs in the stock to absorb most of the energy.

[Edit:] Assuming a non-automatic shotgun using 12-gauge. Fun fact: One of the primers in a 12-gauge shell contains up to 50% nitroglycerin.
[Edit2:] As per video - no stock being used, so no recoil spring, so meh. Still, it's a weaker charge and part of the energy is used to chamber a new round.

I had no problem with a 12 gauge. I qualified on the 12 gauge and the .45 in the Navy. I'm only 5'8" and 150 pounds, so I'm not exactly a large man. I was a little scared of firing the 12 gauge at first because you hear these stories that they have a lot of kick. But if you hold it properly it really isn't bad. I didn't have any bruises or anything. I don't understand what the big deal is.

As for the videos they probably are fake. The one with the arabs definitely has to be using a lot more load in the bullets. I don't know what kind of gun that is, but given how loud it is, I'd say the bullets are very powerful.
 
As for the videos they probably are fake. The one with the arabs definitely has to be using a lot more load in the bullets. I don't know what kind of gun that is, but given how loud it is, I'd say the bullets are very powerful.

They probably are not fake, for the reason you listed above: They were not holding them properly, nor preparing to resist the force. Would you recommend someone fire a 12-gauge shotgun at the hip, like the woman above was firing the AK?

[Edit:] Her ass is also resting on the table for support.
 
Mobboss admits he rarely watches any videos posted by others, ostensibly because they are blocked at work.


Link to video.

She must have really well-developed pecs in order to handle the recoil so easily.

video fail for not showing a front view so I can watch her *deleted* shake.

The recoil of a gun is not that bad if you are prepared for it. (I'm excepting large caliber guns like .50 cal)
 
It is odd that apparently most of the rest of the .mil computer system has no such restrictions, except under very unusual circumstances:

Whats odd is that you think you know anything about how the military works from reading articles like that. Different major subordinate commands have the ability to further restrict what the general guidelines are. So, you cant really determine who has access to what unless you know the specifics of what the rules of their local access are.

So now you know.
 
I guess that means the US military spokesman quoted in the article must have lied, as the rest of the spokesmen have done while the reporting of the same story.

5:57am
The US military has banned access to 13 websites - including YouTube, eBay, Amazon, MTV and ESPN [but not Facebook] on its computer network - to free up bandwidth for relief efforts in Japan, say officers at US Cyber Command. The Pentagon said:

This action is in no way a reflection on any specific site or the content of any specific site ... [it is] in response to the needs of the military in a time of extreme demand on all circuits and networks in a region of the world that has been devastated by geological activity.

The step was requested by US Pacific Command, which is overseeing the military's disaster relief efforts, said the Pentagon.
And, course, back during the GWB administration it was blocked for obvious political reasons.

http://moderate.wordpress.com/2007/05/19/access-denied-us-military-bans-youtube-myspace/

Saturday, May 19th, 2007

Certain popular Web sites — including MySpace and YouTube — are no longer accessible to users of military networks. Critics are decrying the hardship the ban causes to soldiers deployed overseas, who have relied on social networking to stay close to family and friends, and have no Internet access other than the DoD nets.

Citing limited bandwidth and potential security issues, the Pentagon has cut off U.S. troops’ access to several social networking and other high-volume Web sites. Soldiers can still post to MySpace and YouTube — two of the banned sites –but only from outside networks.
You can't have combat soldiers posting youtube videos showing them enjoying the killing of Iraqis so much. It is bad for their morale.
 
I guess that means the US military spokesman quoted in the article must have lied, as the rest of the spokesmen have done while the reporting of the same story.

Rolf, I didnt say they lied, but they arent giving you the complete picture as there is no need to do so. It makes no difference to the story at all.

And I love how you use aljazeera as a source for this. :goodjob: Nice to know where you get your references for how things work in the US military. :lol:

You can't have combat soldiers posting youtube videos showing them enjoying the killing of Iraqis so much. It is bad for their morale.

Its also bad for their defense attorney. We have court-martialed more than a few that have been that dumb.
 
Forma, some segments of the military may have abused the privilege to a higher degree, thus getting cut off earlier.
I think it would be rather difficult for them to do so without the explicit permission of the Cyber Command, who apparently replied to that article. After all, they are responsible for the network and any firewalls which provide access to it. The military commanders are apparently quite limited in what they can do:

Navy Times: DoD opens access to social media sites

All users of unclassified computers in the .mil domain now will be allowed to access social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter — subject to local control if bandwidth demand or Web integrity become issues.

The announcement reverses a nearly three-year ban on access to bandwidth-heavy sites such as MySpace, and the Marine Corps’ August ban on access to social network sites, the Pentagon said Friday.

The open-access policy will rely largely on the responsible use by troops, much as they practice operational security in other means of communication, such as telephone conversations and letters. It is also a reflection of “increased security measures” the Defense Department has taken, said Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman.

Local commanders will have the ability to monitor and temporarily limit usage should bandwidth or viral infections from a particular source become an issue, as well as “for compliance with security requirements and for fraudulent or objectionable use,” Whitman said. But responses will be “commensurate” with the threat, he said.

Access to prohibited content sites — those featuring pornography, gambling or hate crime-related material — remains off-limits from .mil computers.

‘CONSISTENT POLICY’

The new social networking policy, under consideration for the past six months, “sets a consistent policy” across the Defense Department, Whitman said.

Officials “found that there is value in these new Internet capabilities, and we want to take advantage of these to communicate with soldiers, families and the public at large,” he said.


“Official” military presence on the Web, such as an individual official’s Twitter page, must be approved by the individual’s command, be registered with public affairs, use official Defense Department and command logos, and link to the organization’s official Web site, the new policy states.

In May 2007, the Pentagon blocked worldwide .mil computer access to YouTube, MySpace and 10 other popular sites featuring audio and video clips, citing concerns over the amount of bandwidth the sites took up. Users had to go to their own computers or, if deployed, to outside sites such as Internet cafes to access the sites.

In August 2009, the Marine Corps banned access to Facebook, Twitter, MySpace and other sites on its network, citing concern over security. Individual commanders from other services at certain locations had also restricted access to Facebook and other Web sites, the Pentagon said.

When it announced its policy review, the Pentagon said it would search for a way to strike a balance between giving troops the ability to use such social networking tools and maintaining security on its much-attacked computer networks, and protecting the privacy of troops and family members.

That included, Whitman said at the time, outsiders “trying to exploit those sites by seeking out vulnerabilities that allow them to enter and access in an unauthorized way — computer systems that may be linking to these peer-to-peer sites,” Whitman said.

Security concerns led the Pentagon in November to ban the use of thumb drives and other portable digital storage devices in .mil computers, saying they could easily transmit viruses and infect the network. That ban was partially rescinded Feb. 12, but users are limited to government-issued drives and are to be used “only as a last resort.” Personal thumb drives are banned from use on government computers.
Meet the new boss, slightly different than the old boss.
 
I think it would be rather difficult for them to do so without the explicit permission of the Cyber Command, who apparently replied to that article.

Hey!!! Once again, Form posts a link that actually proves what I was saying!!! His own link confirms what I just said. Right in the very first sentence it says:

subject to local control

Thanks Form...I knew I could count on you!!! :goodjob:

Or do you think thats proof of those 'lies' you were carping about a few posts up? :lol:
 
http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2011/may/12/mccain-torture-did-not-lead-to-bin-laden-death-ar-206874/


Spoiler :
WASHINGTON — Waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques were not a factor in tracking down Osama bin Laden, a leading Republican senator insisted today.

Sen. John McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, also rejected the argument that any form of torture is critical to U.S. success in the fight against terrorism.

In an impassioned speech on the Senate floor, the Arizona Republican said former Attorney General Michael Mukasey and others who back those tactics were wrong to claim that waterboarding al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, provided information that led to bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.

McCain spoke with an unrivaled record on the issue.

He's the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, the 2008 GOP presidential nominee who consistently challenged the Bush administration and Vice President Dick Cheney on the use of torture and a man who endured brutal treatment during the Vietnam War.

He also made many of his points in an opinion piece in The Washington Post.

McCain said he asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and that the hunt for bin Laden did not begin with fresh information from Mohammed. In fact, the name of bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, came from a detainee held in another country.

"Not only did the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed, it actually produced false and misleading information," McCain said. He called on Mukasey and others to correct their misstatements.

In a statement, Mukasey said McCain "is simply incorrect," on the bid Laden leads and interrogation.

Mukasey said Mohammed disclosed the nickname of the courier "along with a wealth of other information, some of which was used to stop terror plots then in progress." He said another detainee, captured in Iraq, disclosed that the courier was a trusted operative of Mohammed's successor.

Mukasey, who was President George W. Bush's last attorney general, said former intelligence officials have said that up to 2006 valuable leads came from prisoners who were subjected to harsh techniques, including waterboarding.

"Harsh interrogation techniques were both effective and lawful," Mukasey said.

Last week, Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said the U.S. got vital information from waterboarding that led directly to bin Laden.

McCain said he opposes waterboarding, a technique that simulates drowning, and any form of torture tactics. He said that they could be used against Americans and that their use damages the nation's character and reputation.

"I do not believe they are necessary to our success in our war against terrorists, as the advocates of these techniques claim they are," he said.

"Ultimately, this is about morality. What is at stake here is the very idea of America — the America whose values have inspired the world and instilled in the hearts of its citizens the certainty that, no matter how hard we fight, no matter how dangerous our adversary, in the course of vanquishing our enemies we do not compromise our deepest values," he said. "We are America, and we hold ourselves to a higher standard. That is what is really at stake."

McCain did reject the idea of prosecuting any U.S. officials for using interrogation tactics in the past.

McCain's remarks drew immediate praise from several Democratic senators who have been at political odds with him in past campaigns.

"No one else in the Senate could have given this speech," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., "He speaks with personal knowledge. He still remembers the most dark nights when he tried to rest, when he was tortured brutally."

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said McCain's opinions may not be the popular view, but they were the right ones.

"Thank you for your leadership," Durbin said.



My opinion on McCain is pretty low after the 2008 campaign, but this is one of those issues I agree with him on, and I applaud him for taking the extra step and speaking out.
 
I think McCain is proof that enhanced interrogation worked. Under enhanced interrogation, he gave up the names of almost every starting offensive line in the NFL, or at least o-lines of the teams based in cities on the 2008 campaign trail.
 
I can't watch videos at work either, bandwidth is scarce in the middle of the ocean.

Besides using youtube as a source is kinda lame anyway for serious discussion. Its great for humor, jokes or music, etc., but not so great for real debate.
 
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