Osama Bin Laden killed near Islamabad by US Forces
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Gangster
I posted this in some other thread, Its a scene from the west wing where they are discussing taking down a terrorist leader like america did to Osama. Its pretty interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H66LG8k5hS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H66LG8k5hS8
Depends if it hits yer femoral or not.
They'd be using 5.56 rounds, no? I'm under the impression they have very poor penetration at close quarters.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Nah, insurgents would be using 7.62...thats the round of your AKs and other similar russian small arms.
I thought we were talking about the possibility OBL had on armour and the SEALS had weapons that had poor penetration at close range... whichwould necessitate a head shot
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
I thought we were talking about the possibility OBL had on armour and the SEALS had weapons that had poor penetration at close range... whichwould necessitate a head shot
Oh. I thought the question was what kind of bodyarmor did US forces wear, so I assumed they were the target....
And he was shot in the chest and head...so...
No body armor.
Btw, body armor may keep you alive, but its not magic. A chest shot, even if it didnt penetrate, is still going to knock him the hell down and possibly even break a few ribs. Especially with a heavy slug from a pistol.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
The laws of physics disagrees with this.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
The venerable AK47 has been supplanted at least to some extent by the 5.45mm AK74. Their appearance is quite similar:
And if you were shot by a powerful enough gun, you'd become the consistency of chunky salsa regardless of the body armor.
SS-18 ICBM
Oscillator
He probably meant collapsing due to being shot, not being knocked back by the bullet.
For the Russian armed forces. I doubt these insurgents would be as up to date.
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
I dunno. Collapsing and getting "knocked the hell down" just don't seem interchangeable to me.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Mmmm Osalsa
Bugfatty300
Buddha Squirrel
Why, what do you think will happen? He took a 7.62 round which probably delivered something like +2500 ft-lbs of energy into his chest and he barely flinched. A 10-gauge slug with it's vastly reduced muzzle velocity will probably give a marginally better number.
We're talking about a comparatively small piece of metal that weighs fractions of fractions of a pound versus hundreds of pounds of man meat. You're not going to get absurd Hollywood/video game physics no matter how powerful your shotgun is.
'74s have been around for nearly 40 years with millions made in dozen countries and exported all over the world. Not exactly cutting edge technology that modern terrorists wouldn't have access too.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
They are pervasive and have been since the 70s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-74
The AK100 series also have the same shape and use 5.56 NATO ammo.
It is really difficult to tell any of them apart except for the flash arrestors.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_binladen_son_statement
Omar Bin Laden is not happy with his father's fate.
Not the entire article, but the point:
Open response to Omar Bin Laden, if anyone cares to read it.
Some victims of 9/11 were never found, and their families never got a burial, never got to say good-bye, and never did anything to Bin Laden or anyone else to warrant their deaths.
Osama Bin Laden was still actively trying to mastermind the murder of Americans, and had never faced justice for the September 11th attacks. He demeaned and humiliated human life, across borders, languages, religions, and cultures. He destroyed the innocent.
While Osama's son cannot be held responsible for the crimes of his father, and has a right to be attached to his flesh and blood, I find his remarks incredibly hypocritical, if authentic, and frankly.... if it was important for Osama not to die or to be given a proper Islamic burial, he shouldn't have been risking his life in a damnfool crusade to punish random people for his grievances with the US government. If you punch a bear in the face and it bites you in response, you have only yourself to blame.
You lost a member of your family, but so have we, and we lost members of our family as a direct result Bin Laden's admitted plans and continued plans. He wouldn't have been dead if it weren't for his own previous and continued plots against the innocent. If you're offended because he was buried at sea, perhaps you should understand that we're offended that your father directed people to cut off the heads of our people and desecrate their bodies.
For someone who expects to have their religious customs observed by people who are not members of your personal faith on humanitarian grounds, you should remember that the person you're objecting was treated inhumanely or was desecrated treated thousands inhumanely, and desecrated the bodies of thousands, devastated the lives of hundreds of thousands, and disrupted the lives of millions.
It was necessary that he was stopped from killing more of us, and that his plans were halted. We did not publish gory photos of his body or parade his head around Times Square. By all accounts, he was given a respectful, if not exactly proper (according to you) burial. That is more than he deserved, and more respect than he offered those he actively tried to murder.
I find your protests to be entirely invalid, and as compassionate as I am, I no longer give a [darn], sir. Compassion is only extended so far to those who have none, and if you want more, you'll have to speak out against those who plot to murder the innocent.
Omar Bin Laden is not happy with his father's fate.
Not the entire article, but the point:
Open response to Omar Bin Laden, if anyone cares to read it.
Some victims of 9/11 were never found, and their families never got a burial, never got to say good-bye, and never did anything to Bin Laden or anyone else to warrant their deaths.
Osama Bin Laden was still actively trying to mastermind the murder of Americans, and had never faced justice for the September 11th attacks. He demeaned and humiliated human life, across borders, languages, religions, and cultures. He destroyed the innocent.
While Osama's son cannot be held responsible for the crimes of his father, and has a right to be attached to his flesh and blood, I find his remarks incredibly hypocritical, if authentic, and frankly.... if it was important for Osama not to die or to be given a proper Islamic burial, he shouldn't have been risking his life in a damnfool crusade to punish random people for his grievances with the US government. If you punch a bear in the face and it bites you in response, you have only yourself to blame.
You lost a member of your family, but so have we, and we lost members of our family as a direct result Bin Laden's admitted plans and continued plans. He wouldn't have been dead if it weren't for his own previous and continued plots against the innocent. If you're offended because he was buried at sea, perhaps you should understand that we're offended that your father directed people to cut off the heads of our people and desecrate their bodies.
For someone who expects to have their religious customs observed by people who are not members of your personal faith on humanitarian grounds, you should remember that the person you're objecting was treated inhumanely or was desecrated treated thousands inhumanely, and desecrated the bodies of thousands, devastated the lives of hundreds of thousands, and disrupted the lives of millions.
It was necessary that he was stopped from killing more of us, and that his plans were halted. We did not publish gory photos of his body or parade his head around Times Square. By all accounts, he was given a respectful, if not exactly proper (according to you) burial. That is more than he deserved, and more respect than he offered those he actively tried to murder.
I find your protests to be entirely invalid, and as compassionate as I am, I no longer give a [darn], sir. Compassion is only extended so far to those who have none, and if you want more, you'll have to speak out against those who plot to murder the innocent.
It kinda works if you interchange collapsing with "getting the wind knocked out of you".
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Well personally, I don't imagine that anyone with a sucking chest wound will be standing up for very long.
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