Postmortem on Mueller

[Berzerker]

https://www.thenation.com/article/questions-mueller-russiagate/

Earlier this month, a federal judge rebuked Mueller and the Justice Department for suggesting that the troll farm’s social media activities “were undertaken on behalf of, if not at the direction of, the Russian government.”

most of the Russian social media content was juvenile clickbait that had nothing to do with the election (only 7 percent of IRA’s Facebook posts mentioned either Trump or Clinton). There is also no evidence that the political content reached a mass audience, and to the extent it reached anyone, most of it occurred after the election.

The uncertainty in Mueller’s account of how WikiLeaks received the stolen e-mails could possibly have been cleared up had Mueller attempted to interview Julian Assange. The WikiLeaks founder insists that the Russian government was not his source, and has repeatedly offered to speak to US investigators. Given that Assange received and published the stolen emails at the heart of Mueller’s investigation, his absence from Mueller’s voluminous witness sheet is a glaring omission.

Assange published emails allegedly stolen by the Russians but nobody bothered asking him about it?

The rest of the article raises more questions, suggested reading

 

[Kyriakos]

Sure, other countries try and sway us through different means. What's unique was the massive propogranda, disinformation and election-security breaches undertaken by Russia. They attempted to get into all 50 state's election systems and succeeded in a few cases, though it's not known (and unlikely) that they directly tampered with votes. They did successfully infiltrate social media networks and planted fake stories, upvoted with fake followers and even orchestrated fake rallies which in a few cases became real rallies. This was in addition to hacking into one parties email system and dumping that information to discredit that party. They also sought to sow racial discord by infiltrating various groups and posting highly inflammatory (and usually false) information.

It was quite an impressive, comprehensive and highly disruptive intelligence attack on our country that we're still reeling from. The Mueller report doesn't need any hyping to be massively impactful; the facts speak for themselves. By downplaying the impact of the report as you have, you are playing into the intelligence efforts to sow discord unwittingly. Even claiming that the report should have taken down the President is not hyperbole as with any other government it absolutely would have ended in impeachment. That it hasn't is in part due to the success of that same intelligence attack on the country which has helped foster an unbelievable amount of willful ignorance. Not only is the willful ignorance a sign of success of the attack, the GOP intransigence itself is another sign of success of the attack. At this point they can't very well back down on their full-throated defense of all things Trump without implicating themselves as having benefitted (unknowingly or otherwise) from the attack.

But Mueller (and his report) didn't even claim that ANY actual change to the election result (including infinitesimal change) happened. So the issue isn't about actual effect to the 2016 elections, but whether Trump was funded by Russia in the way others are funded by Saudi and half your senate is tied to the israeli lobby.

Video of Mueller himself saying that his report says literally nothing about any actual change to the US election result by russian meddling:

(for this start at 1.20)

Mueller generally refuses to answer all sorts of things and seems a bit confused at many times.

 

[Estebonrober]

https://www.thenation.com/article/questions-mueller-russiagate/







Assange published emails allegedly stolen by the Russians but nobody bothered asking him about it?

The rest of the article raises more questions, suggested reading

Read it. I'm not sure I can believe in the innocent Russians considering their activities over the past 30 years. Their true fear and loathing of clin-ton. I'm glad you found a left winger who agrees with you on "Russia-gate". Honestly all this has counter stories about the effectiveness of their troll farms, or their lobbying of Trump officials and say the NRA and such. So his self referential links on how this wasn't all they great of a disinformation campaign, or his denial of reality of how Russian intelligence operations work (plausible deniability built in) is about as convincing as that judge that Trump appointed hammering Mueller in court for the same disconnect from reality. Can we prove that IRA is a KGB asset? No, that's the point of IRA. . .duuuuuuhhhhhh

Even if everything he says here is accurate it doesn't spare you the fact that Trump has been a criminal for decades. He is currently breaking constitutional law every day both foreign and domestic emoluments clauses. He has obstructed justice repeatedly and has complete contempt for the Justice Dept. and Congress. He is the most divisive president we have ever seen. He has complete disdain for most women and all minorities who are not adoring of him. He does not deserve to be president of a nation he loathes, he should probably just go back to Germany or wherever his father was from, you know follow his own love it or leave it advice.

I could be wrong of course and democrats will be shown to be completely insane and the kleptocrats will continue running the nation into the dirt faster than the public can dig it out. I'm sure the planet will do well under another 20 years of Republican rule.

 

[Estebonrober]

But Mueller (and his report) didn't even claim that ANY actual change to the election result (including infinitesimal change) happened. So the issue isn't about actual effect to the 2016 elections, but whether Trump was funded by Russia in the way others are funded by Saudi and half your senate is tied to the israeli lobby.

Video of Mueller himself saying that his report says literally nothing about any actual change to the US election result by russian meddling:

(for this start at 1.20)

Mueller generally refuses to answer all sorts of things and seems a bit confused at many times.

Nonsense. Just because they can't prove it in court doesn't mean it didn't happen.

https://www.wired.com/story/did-russia-affect-the-2016-election-its-now-undeniable/

1. What was the scope of the Russian effort?

The Mueller indictment permanently demolishes the idea that the scale of the Russian campaign was not significant enough to have any impact on the American public. We are no longer talking about approximately $100,000 (paid in rubles, no less) of advertising grudgingly disclosed by Facebook, but tens of millions of dollars spent over several years to build a broad, sophisticated system that can influence American opinion.


The Russian efforts described in the indictment focused on establishing deep, authenticated, long-term identities for individuals and groups within specific communities. This was underlaid by the establishment of servers and VPNs based in the US to mask the location of the individuals involved. US-based email accounts linked to fake or stolen US identity documents (driver licenses, social security numbers, and more) were used to back the online identities. These identities were also used to launder payments through PayPal and cryptocurrency accounts. All of this deception was designed to make it appear that these activities were being carried out by Americans.

Additionally, the indictment mentions that the IRA had a department whose job was gaming algorithms. This is important because information warfare—the term used in the indictment itself—is not about "fake news" and “bots." It is about creating an information environment and a narrative—specific storytelling vehicles used to achieve goals of subversion and activation, amplified and promoted through a variety of means.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump

The effect of such manipulations could be momentous in an election as close as the 2016 race, in which Clinton got nearly 2.9 million more votes than Trump, and Trump won the Electoral College only because some eighty thousand votes went his way in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. In two hundred and twenty-four pages of extremely dry prose, with four appendixes of charts and graphs and fifty-four pages of footnotes, Jamieson makes a strong case that, in 2016, “Russian masterminds” pulled off a technological and political coup. Moreover, she concludes, the American media “inadvertently helped them achieve their goals.”

Remember they didn't have to convince that many in reality for it to be very consequential because of the Electoral College.

 

[Kyriakos]

Nonsense. Just because they can't prove it in court doesn't mean it didn't happen.

In theory, anything may happen.
That doesn't change the specifically stated fact (stated in the video by Mueller himself as well) that nothing such was found. So in the context of the Mueller report there isn't any actual effect to the US election by russian meddling.

Btw, if your election result is hanging by a thread, by this logic even Albania can influence it. A few people there also have "some hundreds of millions" to spend - human trafficking makes one very rich

Though what makes the rest of the world laugh at this affair is that the US supposedly has its elections "influenced", when the US is a country which has regime-changed tens of foreign governments by invasion, armed support of sides or just bribes.

 

[abradley]

I watched some of the hearing and Mueller looked pure wasted, worse then I look at 82.

But he did go through the 6 hour grilling, doubt I could have.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Well, all that republican **** flinging probably took a toll on him.

 

[abradley]

Well, all that republican **** flinging probably took a toll on him.

The Dems didn't ask any questions?

 

[Berzerker]

Jimmy Dore addressing the alleged Russian hacking and the evidence it didn't happen

Anyone ever hear of VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity? William Binney sounds like he knows what he's talking about, I saw him on another Dore interview and he talks about how the NSA would know if the Russians hacked into the DNC servers.

 

[Old Hippy]

Well, all that republican **** flinging probably took a toll on him.

at least Mueller learn't something about the Mueller report... to look on the bright side

 

[bernie14]

at least Mueller learn't something about the Mueller report... to look on the bright side

Maybe not, recent memory is one of the first things to go in dementia. It will be great for the dems, they can cry foul/invalidate the report (since it went nowhere) and carry on their shenanigans

To OP, postmortem on Mueller will show lewy bodies

 

[Estebonrober]

In theory, anything may happen.
That doesn't change the specifically stated fact (stated in the video by Mueller himself as well) that nothing such was found. So in the context of the Mueller report there isn't any actual effect to the US election by russian meddling.

Btw, if your election result is hanging by a thread, by this logic even Albania can influence it. A few people there also have "some hundreds of millions" to spend - human trafficking makes one very rich

Though what makes the rest of the world laugh at this affair is that the US supposedly has its elections "influenced", when the US is a country which has regime-changed tens of foreign governments by invasion, armed support of sides or just bribes.

I can't disagree with you here beyond contesting whether it had an effect or not.

 

[Berzerker]

Maybe not, recent memory is one of the first things to go in dementia.

Aint that weird? Cant remember what happened 10 minutes ago but childhood memories come thru crystal clear

 

[bernie14]

Aint that weird? Cant remember what happened 10 minutes ago but childhood memories come thru crystal clear

Yeah, long term memories were made when the recorder was working fine, the tapes are well persevered....with the recorder on the fritz, the recent stuff won't get recorded well

 

[brennan]

Jimmy Dore addressing the alleged Russian hacking and the evidence it didn't happen

Anyone ever hear of VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity? William Binney sounds like he knows what he's talking about, I saw him on another Dore interview and he talks about how the NSA would know if the Russians hacked into the DNC servers.

The Mueller report clearly states that the DCCC network was compromised using stolen credentials. There was no remote electronic access for the NSA to track & record. This entire objection is irrelevant and if these guys are experts, they already know this and are lying.

By no later than April 12, 2016, the GRU had gained access to the DCCC computer
network using the credentials stolen from a DCCC employee who had been successfully
spearphished the week before. Over the ensuing weeks, the GRU traversed the network,
identifying different computers connected to the DCCC network. By stealing network access
credentials along the way (including those of IT administrators with unrestricted access to the
system), the GRU compromised approximately 29 different computers on the DCCC network.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Don't bother, Berzerker isn't interested in facts or anything resembling reality, he only cares about owning libs/democrats

 

[Berzerker]

Yeah, long term memories were made when the recorder was working fine, the tapes are well persevered....with the recorder on the fritz, the recent stuff won't get recorded well

that makes sense

The Mueller report clearly states that the DCCC network was compromised using stolen credentials. There was no remote electronic access for the NSA to track & record. This entire objection is irrelevant and if these guys are experts, they already know this and are lying.

How were the emails transferred? I dont think Bill Binney is a liar and I do think he knows how it works.

Don't bother, Berzerker isn't interested in facts or anything resembling reality, he only cares about owning libs/democrats

Jimmy Dore is a progressive Democrat and you accused him of consistently going to bat for conservatives and Republicans even though he calls them war criminals and now you're an authority on reality?

 

[brennan]

How were the emails transferred? I dont think Bill Binney is a liar and I do think he knows how it works.

Having gained access, malware was uploaded (presumably from something simple like a flash drive) to enable an encrypted outside connection. Encrypted as in secure, even from the NSA.

Implantation of Ma/ware on DCCC and DNC Networks
Unit 26165 implanted on the DCCC and DNC networks two types of customized
malware, 123 known as "X-Agent" and "X-Tunnel "; Mimikatz, a credential-harvesting tool ; and
rar.exe , a tool used in these intrusions to compile and compress materials for exfiltration. X-Agent
was a multi -function hacking tool that allowed Unit 26165 to log keystrokes , take screenshots, and
gather other data about the infected computers (e.g., file directories , operating systems). 124 XTunnel
was a hacking tool that created an encrypted connection between the victim DCCC/DNC
computers and GRU-controlled computers outside the DCCC and DNC networks that was capable
of large -scale data transfers. 125 GRU officers then used X-Tunnel to exfiltrate stolen data from the
victim computers.

 

[Old Hippy]

Having gained access, malware was uploaded (presumably from something simple like a flash drive) to enable an encrypted outside connection. Encrypted as in secure, even from the NSA.

occam's razor... if you have something simple like a flash drive plugged in, why not just down load the info... like the retired NSA experts are saying the meta data on the released and now public files show... timestamps and transfer rates etc,... the greatest risk involved is plugging in that drive...not some anonymous hacker on the other side of the world... just saying they are saying as you are saying... a flash drive was used

 

[Birdjaguar]

Having gained access, malware was uploaded (presumably from something simple like a flash drive) to enable an encrypted outside connection. Encrypted as in secure, even from the NSA.

occam's razor... if you have something simple like a flash drive plugged in, why not just down load the info... like the retired NSA experts are saying the meta data on the released and now public files show... timestamps and transfer rates etc,... the greatest risk involved is plugging in that drive...not some anonymous hacker on the other side of the world... just saying they are saying as you are saying... a flash drive was used

I don't see any mention of a flash drive being used. Once the computer is compromised, the hacking tools can download additional software for uploads and downloads.