Pride Week in My Little Town, and Why I Won't be Going

[adcarrymaokai]

This is not what I'm hearing from the social justice crowd. They want to go all in and eliminate even the concepts of femininity and masculinity, since those are restrictive (thus, the logic goes, oppressive). At the end of this great revolution there'll just be a uniform blob of 'people' with varying sexual appetites and characteristics, no expectations at all.

This honestly sounds amazing. Where can I learn more about this "revolution"?

 

[red_elk]

This hasn't been true for at least half a century, probably much longer. For most of my life I was dead wrong about what I needed, and getting my way on the matter would have made everything far worse for me.

But you can't be sure. May be you were right for most of your life and dead wrong now?

 

[Berzerker]

You were doing Great until you got here. Jesus did not repeal or change any of the 10 Commandments. In fact he encapsulated all of them into the 2nd Quote you posted. Good quote too by the way.

As for your last 2 questions, I would not presume to define what Jesus nor the Father would or would not do.

We dont have to presume, the scriptures tell us what they did or would do. God slaughtered people for the pettiest of 'crimes' - including 42 children for mocking a prophet's bald head - whereas Jesus asked 'who among you is without sin, let him cast the first stone'. Sounds like we dont have the moral authority to punish people. Therefore the 10 Commandments became the 10 Suggestions at best and irrelevant at worst. Which of the 10 Commandments did Jesus want to enforce?

 

[Ajidica]

One behavior I've noticed is that for them failure is never a cause for doubt - if, say, trans people are still miserable, that only makes them more convinced that bigotry and oppression are ubiquitous in society. Like a Bolshevik who can't figure out why forced collectivization hasn't produced a glorious new world yet; it must be the fault of the Kulaks or the church.

Aren't you a charmer.

 

[Mouthwash]

This honestly sounds amazing. Where can I learn more about this "revolution"?

It's sort of an unspoken thing outside gender studies or communist circles.

 

[cardgame]

The removal of strict gender roles is nothing short of absolute advocation of individual and societal liberty, massively good things. I find your stance here intriguing.

 

[Mouthwash]

The removal of strict gender roles is nothing short of absolute advocation of individual and societal liberty, massively good things. I find your stance here intriguing.

Well, despite liberty obviously being a good thing, I take the heretical view that it isn't the only good thing, or the good before which all other goods must be crushed underfoot.

 

[Patine]

Well, despite liberty obviously being a good thing, I take the heretical view that it isn't the only good thing, or the good before which all other goods must bow.

Yes, but your vain mockery and tyranny of Babel that is not based on scripture, but warping and twisting it to evil ends, and expecting others to show respect, deference, and obedience because you and your wicked cohorts have proclaimed it is God's law, using the Lord's name in vain repeatedly, but in fact is violation of God's law, should not only bow to anything good, but be buried utterly.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Ooh, Birdjaguar summoned me.

The problem with that view is that neither the Bible itself nor any of the early Christians, to my knowledge, ever call the Bible "the Word of God". On the contrary, the Bible says that's what Jesus is. There is no standard view among Christians of exactly what the Bible is or how it should be interpreted or what authority it has, though in practice they all think it has some kind of authority. You will not find any guidance on the matter in the Nicene Creed or any of the authoritative councils.

I've never heard anyone claim that. On the contrary, koine Greek was the most common language in the ancient eastern Mediterranean, so it's perfectly natural that Christians spoke it, especially given that - according to Acts, at least - Antioch was one of the major centres of the religion. Whether Jesus himself or his immediate disciples spoke Greek is a moot point, but it doesn't really matter as there's no reason to think that any of them wrote any part of the New Testament. But there's certainly no reason other than snobbery to suppose that "working class Jews of lowly profession" couldn't speak Greek. Paul was a tent maker and he seems to have got by.

That depends on when and where you're talking about, of course. As far as I know there's no evidence for really substantial numbers of Christians being executed, in the way you're describing, until the fourth and fifth centuries, and that was in the Sassanian Empire, not any Greek-speaking region. No-one knows how many Christians were executed for their faith in the Roman empire but it probably wasn't a great number, and certainly not in the first century or so anywhere.

Sometimes experts are needed! And it's good to know that you still hang out here enough to see your alerts.

God save the queen!

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The removal of strict gender roles is nothing short of absolute advocation of individual and societal liberty, massively good things. I find your stance here intriguing.

He's a conservative with views (ironically) closer to the alt right, who believes women should know their place, men should be straight and masculine, that lgbt people should be silent, if not non existent.

He's not pro liberty, for how else could he force people into accepting and obeying his narrow definition of what society should be?

 

[Patine]

One behavior I've noticed is that for them failure is never a cause for doubt - if, say, trans people are still miserable, that only makes them more convinced that bigotry and oppression are ubiquitous in society. Like a Bolshevik who can't figure out why forced collectivization hasn't produced a glorious new world yet; it must be the fault of the Kulaks or the church.

I'm surprised this theory hasn't worked in telling you that your make-believe, fairy-tale era of "tradition" and a big "consensus on religion" when "things were objectively better, and the social problems of todays didn't exists until the big, bad Liberals, Progressives, and Marxists and ruined" NEVER existed, CAN'T work, nor was EVER intended to, unless, of course, your personal religious tradition shares in common with the Rastafarians copious amounts of the "herbal sacrament" - which may dull your mind enough to just such not quite notice.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

The removal of strict gender roles is nothing short of absolute advocation of individual and societal liberty, massively good things. I find your stance here intriguing.

The key word here being "strict".

 

[cardgame]

The idea that there are roles made for you by virtue of your genetic lottery is already strict, if you ask me. But it's also possible to interpret that as merely 'what the majority of your gender does'. The problem with that is that it's still influenced by the culture of the past...

 

[Patine]

The idea that there are roles made for you by virtue of your genetic lottery is already strict, if you ask me. But it's also possible to interpret that as merely 'what the majority of your gender does'. The problem with that is that it's still influenced by the culture of the past...

Biological genders from birth are, AT BEST, reproductive roles in terms of strict delineation. And, then again, many people nowadays don't reproduce.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

The idea that there are roles made for you by virtue of your genetic lottery is already strict, if you ask me. But it's also possible to interpret that as merely 'what the majority of your gender does'. The problem with that is that it's still influenced by the culture of the past...

That would be a weird understanding of the word "strict" then.

 

[Rashiminos]

I don't need an institution to chain me to my partner, I can make the decision to stay (or leave) independent of any outside parties.

In practice your partnership isn't completely independent of outside parties. You may or may not want an institution or social norms to discourage interference from unwelcome parties.

 

[Patine]

It's sort of an unspoken thing outside gender studies or communist circles.

I have never once a member of this frothing, "Revolutionary" horde. Nor this "teeming, unsatisfied" large groups of followers of militant, extremist, and, ultimately, false and vain, "religious" (notice quotation marks) beliefs who want to take society by force. I've met a lot of people of all sorts and viewpoints in RL in my day, but no such nutjobs and wackos who belong in asylums (both groups do) in actual person.

 

[Rashiminos]

This honestly sounds amazing. Where can I learn more about this "revolution"?

Check your local university.

 

[Yeekim]

Biological genders from birth are, AT BEST, reproductive roles in terms of strict delineation. And, then again, many people nowadays don't reproduce.

When gender is a (social) construct, biological sex is its foundation.
Now, characteristics of a house are far from entirely decided by characteristics of its foundation... but those do have a certain impact.

 

[Kyriakos]

We dont have to presume, the scriptures tell us what they did or would do. God slaughtered people for the pettiest of 'crimes' - including 42 children for mocking a prophet's bald head - whereas Jesus asked 'who among you is without sin, let him cast the first stone'. Sounds like we dont have the moral authority to punish people. Therefore the 10 Commandments became the 10 Suggestions at best and irrelevant at worst. Which of the 10 Commandments did Jesus want to enforce?

To his defense, that prophet was just quoting the law of his OCD model, Moses himself.

‘If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me,… I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children.’

Actions have consequences. Usually death by bears.