Prostitution & Porn Legality/Morality?

[Ajidica]

Both are immoral but I'm in favor of them being legal.
Take that Libertarians. The socialist agrees with some tenets of Libertarianism.

 

[Narz]

I won't make any judgment on the matter wherein others are concerned.

You won't?

pretty simple, actually.

I wouldn't want my niece to do porn but if you want to I will defend your right to do so and I will gladly pay a monthly fee to watch it.

heh, I'll keep that in mind.

And unwanted children!

Word. Instead of the barbaric practice of circumcision perhaps baby boys should be given a tattoo on their upper thigh or lower belly with an arrow & the reminder : "warning : this thing can make babies!"

 

[[to_xp]Gekko]

Link to video.

 

[[to_xp]Gekko]

wait, I also got one about prostitution: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/185659

 

[Traitorfish]

Both are immoral but I'm in favor of them being legal.
Take that Libertarians. The socialist agrees with some tenets of Libertarianism.

Why are they immoral?

I know I keep asking this, but I feel that the burden of proof lies on those asserting immorality; not only are they asserting absolutes, but they are applying absolutes to particular scenarios involving sexual intercourse, something which I would presume they do not consider to be immoral in itself.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Libertarians are immoral because they are motivated by greed.

 

[cardgame]

Why are they immoral?

I know I keep asking this, but I feel that the burden of proof lies on those asserting immorality; not only are they asserting absolutes, but they are applying absolutes to particular scenarios involving sexual intercourse, something which I would presume they do not consider to be immoral in itself.

Tradition! The best judge of anything, at all, ever and forever!

.vcl.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Which is why I'd rather vote for a prostitute than a libertarian.

 

[Ajidica]

Why are they immoral?

Why the act of sexual intercourse isn't immoral, its how it is carried out. Call it my Catholic upbringing or whathave you, I just feel it is wrong.
I can't really back up my opinions with any solid argument. I just feel it is wrong. I'm all for it being legal of course, prostitution less so as more often then not the women are coerced into it.

 

[Communisto]

No one has the right to tell anyone what they can do with their own body. Bangin-4-Bucks is an ancient and proud human tradition. Prohibition, as always, only results in handing over industries to criminals and thus the women into harms way.

 

[Traitorfish]

Why the act of sexual intercourse isn't immoral, its how it is carried out. Call it my Catholic upbringing or whathave you, I just feel it is wrong.
I can't really back up my opinions with any solid argument. I just feel it is wrong. I'm all for it being legal of course, prostitution less so as more often then not the women are coerced into it.

It seems simplistic to equate personal discomfort with immorality. There are a lot of things that make me uncomfortable- often because of the same Catholic hangups that I imagine you possess- but that doesn't mean I make the intellectual leap to explicitly condemn them.

And, of course, the issue of coercion is distinct from the issue of prostitution itself, albeit very heavily related. Agricultural work, after all, has a history of coercion, but that does not mean that we condemn cotton-farming in and of itself.

 

[Ajidica]

Yeah I know. As I said I don't have any real arguments on why it is immoral, it just is for me. However I justify my lack of an argument by the fact I'm not trying to force my opinions on to anyone else or to make it illegal.
Coercive prostitution for me is definitly not legal.

 

[Shadylookin]

I voted moral simply because I don't find it inherently immoral.

Were prostitution legalized and regulated it would be no worse than many other jobs. When you break it down we're all selling our bodies to earn a living.

 

[civver_764]

Prostitution isn't even selling your body, you're just doing somebody a service.

 

[Disgustipated]

Why are they immoral?

I know I keep asking this, but I feel that the burden of proof lies on those asserting immorality; not only are they asserting absolutes, but they are applying absolutes to particular scenarios involving sexual intercourse, something which I would presume they do not consider to be immoral in itself.

they are immoral because they oppress women and treat them as sex objects.

But they should be legal. I believe society would be a better place if men had access to more sex. More sex=less stress.

 

[Traitorfish]

Yeah I know. As I said I don't have any real arguments on why it is immoral, it just is for me. However I justify my lack of an argument by the fact I'm not trying to force my opinions on to anyone else or to make it illegal.

Oh, I know, you've made it quite clear, and I respect you for your ability to distinguish between personal morality and social justice. I just think that it's important to clarify, for your own sake, the distinction between that which you find immoral, and that which you find merely uncomfortable or distasteful.

Coercive prostitution for me is definitly not legal.

Well, yes, obviously. Coercion, of any variety, is unacceptable.

Prostitution isn't even selling your body, you're just doing somebody a service.

An interesting point. One could argue that prostitutes, in a society that did not so consistently attempt to marginalise them, would be among the more fulfilled members of the proletariat, because they have far more immediate control over their means of production. Given that both collectivisation and freelancing are both rather straightforward models for prostitutes, they arguably have the potential to become rather less alienated than many wage workers.

they are immoral because they oppress women and treat them as sex objects.

I would contest the accuracy of such an assertion when applied in the absolute, innate sense seen here; it's certainly accurate to some examples, but to apply it to all demands additional justification. If nothing else, it only applies to pornography and prostitution involving women, which, as we are all quite aware, is not the entirety of either.

 

[Disgustipated]

Libertarians are immoral because they are motivated by greed.

is it wrong to keep what you earn? You earned it after all.

 

[Mango Elephant]

they are immoral because they oppress women and treat them as sex objects.

Sex isn't any worse, than say, plumbing. Is the profession of plumbing immoral because it treats men as plumbing objects?

 

[Disgustipated]

Off the top of my head, there are porn sites that work with that kind of conservative Christian attitude. I admit I make fun of them, but it does sort of make sense. Maybe you should check them out some time.

link? oh wait, that probably wouldn't be a good idea. I'd like to check those out. I actually prefer porn when it's real people doing it. By real people I mean people who actually care about each other in some way.

 

[Communisto]

^pervert