Question Evolution! 15 questions evolutionists cannot adequately answer

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These questions are worthless. They are all very vague, general and leading. They all presuppose a position and do nothing to illuminate either side.
Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?
Looking like it was designed is means design is now the logical cause?
Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated?
This, and many others, are not even about the veracity of evolution, just an attack on "evolutionists." I think a better title is "scientist."

Not sure this is even threadworthy, honestly.
 
How did life originate? How did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?

Strictly speaking, this has nothing to do with evolution. But since biogenesis is often lumped in to discussions about evolution, I'll try and explain.

First and foremost, no one actually knows. There are plenty of interesting hypotheses out there, but the question really can't truly be answered without time travel. The best we could do is witness a second biogenesis in a lab (though my hunch is you'd need a lot of time between self replication and primitive cells).

As a caveat, this question is more the type of thing a book would answer, not a post on a message board.

The start of the problem is that you need proteins to catalyze reactions like replication, but proteins are awful information carriers. DNA is a fantastic information carrier, but cannot work as an enzyme to replicate. Thus you cannot have replication without both an information carrier and a catalyst. Yet life exists so obviously this needs an answer...

I happen to favour an idea of RNA-world. DNA's famous shape of a double helix is rather like two strands of RNA linked together by base pair rules. RNA isn't twined in with anything else though, and is thus free to make bonds with it self. Thus it's able to fold into 3D shapes like a protein, yet also transmit information.

RNA has some hard limits. It's much more error prone than DNA and thus the amount of information it can reliably transmit is limited (IIRC, to ~1,000,000 "letters") and cannot be used for more advanced life -- not even bacteria as we now know them. Viruses can and do use RNA still.

So RNA allows a way out of the chicken-egg problem if DNA / proteins. In a lab, we can strip down RNA viruses to lose the coding for protein coats and injection devices to only a strand of RNA that replicates itself. That's lab assisted, of course, but it's instructive. Basically RNA becomes a very large auto catalyst that allows for heredity.

How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?

See last answer.

How could such errors (mutations) create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? How can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines?

... is this really one of the 15 GOTCHA questions? This is like Biology 101...

What's being asked here is a rephrased, "how can a genome grow?" which seems to take the view that, fine, mutations can happen in a sequence of letters, but how do you add letters? The answer is duplication events. DNA gets duplicated, and then the same piece gets duplicated again. Or when duplication is happening, an older piece gets read into the new information again. It's very similar to copy + pasting an article paragraph by paragraph, where you might accidentally highlight and copy the same sentence twice.

Why is natural selection taught as ‘evolution’ as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life?

Er, huh? Natural selection is the mechanism by which much of evolution takes place -- and all adaptive change. I'm not sure I understood this question and I'm even more unsure as to why it's a GOTCHA question.

How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?

Rephrasing irreducible complexity. This question doesn't account for the ability of fewer of the enzymes working together doing another function.

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

The grand canyon to me looks carved, but I don't think giants exist.

We obviously cannot *know* there is no designer. But we can know how such a designer works. And if there is a designer, he works through methods that could be achieved naturally, thus making a designer superfluous -- if not a blatant reset of the question (who designed the designer?).

How did multi-cellular life originate?

Take a look at brown algae.

How did sex originate?

Ah, now here we have a good question. I can provide a decent idea as to why sex originated, but not why sex continues to exist. The latter is an outstanding question in biology.

Bacteria sometimes get together and swap genetic code. It could be thought of as a precursor to sex. If you have a method to discern closely related bacteria from more distantly related bacteria (the entire concept of species breaks down at the level of bacteria) -- that is to say, bacteria which has a more recent common ancestor with you -- then you are swapping genetic material with bacteria that are more like you. The more discerning you are, the more you develop the idea of a species.

Now how that develops into sex as you and I know it... well I don't know. And that gets to the main problem creationists seem to have. It's okay to not know everything. Only by figuring out what you do not know can you learn a damn thing in the first place. If biology hasn't figured out why sex first came into existence, and why, more perplexity, it continues to exist, that doesn't mean "god did it." Aside from being a lazy answer, it is theologically unsound. If some genius comes up with a very good answer to the origin and continued existence of sex, you look like an idiot for writing it off as unanswerable and proof of god.

Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing?

They're not expected. Fossils are rare as hell. As proof of concept, go try and find a squirrel that's been dead for a few months.

How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years?

Organisms are the way they are cause that's a good way for them to be. If an animal hasn't changed, visibly, over millions of years, it's because it hasn't needed to.

Question also precludes the possibility that change has happened, but isn't something one would see by looking at fossils (soft tissues very rarely fossilize).

How did blind chemistry create mind/intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality?

Go take a bunch of steroids. See if your personality changes. While neuroscience can't answer questions like "what is the mind" yet, it absolutely can show the concept of self arises chemically. If it didn't, taking drugs would be rather pointless.

Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated?

I have no idea what this means.

Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Why do schools and universities teach evolution so dogmatically, stealing time from experimental biology that so benefits humankind?

Antibiotics. Next question.

Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science?

Yeah, the person who wrote this doesn't really understand the questions they're asking. Here they've confused paleontology with evolution. Evolution is not a historical science. It's a process that has given rise to us and life around us, and continues to change.

Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? If “you can’t teach religion in science classes”, why is evolution taught?

Well Christ, you could say that about a lot of things. Why is gravity taught to children?

And before anyone says gravity is a fact, gravity is a theory just like evolution, and it happens to be a less sound theory.
 
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How did life originate? How did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?

That is a very good question. Don’t know, catalytic RNA, some form of non-ribosomal protein assembly in concentrated organic mixture? What I do know is that the intelligent designer offers no explanatory power over current hypotheses and this is not a question of evolution anyway.

How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?

catalytic RNA, reverse transcriptase? It is not at all a complex code. It has 4 letters and 64 words, 44 of which are synonyms.

How could such errors (mutations) create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist?

non-sequitur. errors don’t “create 3 billion letters”.
How can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines?

Easy I do it all the time at work.

Why is natural selection taught as ‘evolution’ as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life?

Because it does.

How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?

Very slowly.

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

there is nothing logical about a the design argument.

How did multi-cellular life originate?

Adhesion molecules.

How did sex originate?

Pillin.

Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing?

punctuated equilibrium? erosion? short evolutionary survival time?

How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years?

good niche adaptation.

How did blind chemistry create mind/intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality?

with about 4 genes. Number required to get a stem cell to convert to a neuron.

Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated?

It is called education.

Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Why do schools and universities teach evolution so dogmatically, stealing time from experimental biology that so benefits humankind?

If evolution were not true there would be almost no point in most experimental biology as it uses model organisms that would not necessarily have anything to do with humans.

Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science?

Because it is science.

Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? If “you can’t teach religion in science classes”, why is evolution taught?

It in no way resembles a religious idea other than the idea that observation with our senses and reason and logic and that we really exist could be considered a matter of faith. That faith does lead to amazingly more consistent results and technological advancement then religions have to date.
 
Well Christ, you could say that about a lot of things. Why is gravity taught to children?

And before anyone says gravity is a fact, gravity is a theory just like evolution, and it happens to be a less sound theory.

In fact, the theory of gravity taught in schools has been falsified by observational evidence (e.g. the trajectory of the planet Mercury). So not only is it "just a theory", it is actually a wrong theory. Yet nobody complains that it is taught in schools.
 
Creationist can not answer these questions at all, without starting with god. If every thing must have a source then what is the source of god?
 
How did life originate? How did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?

Self Replicators. It isn't too much of a stretch to imagine a molecule being created in a seething mass of carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen and ultraviolet light (the conditions of early earth) which can replicate itself, given the right conditions. Once the first one is created, it can replicate itself and will continue to do so. If multiple replicators are created, the ones that best replicate themselves are the ones that are going to dominate the fight for resources. If slight mutations occur in the replications that cause a new, better replicator to be created then we might call that evolution.

How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?

Well firstly, I will never be able to satisfactorily answer the second question, as it is loaded due to the writers belief in intelligent design. How did DNA originate? We don't know, and we have never professed to. We can suggest the mechanism, and it would be similar to what I wrote above about self-replicators. The fact that it appears to be a language is incidental. It's just a set of code which happens to code for the production of specific amino acids. It's not that complicated: there's only about 40 words and one peice of punctuation.

How could such errors (mutations) create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? How can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines?

Evolution explains all this. Read literature on it.

Why is natural selection taught as ‘evolution’ as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life?

Because it does.

How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?

I assume the problem here is "why do things evolve which seem to have no intermediary steps?" In general, many of these questions have been answered. At a microscopic level, random mutations can account for some. At a macroscopic level, there is normally a reasonable explanation based on the environment. Case by case.

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

Loaded question, again. I don't happen to believe that they look like they were designed. And I fail to see how an invisible but omnipresent creator is a reasonably logical cause.

How did multi-cellular life originate?

Random mutations, causing cells that fail to separate entirely. This one has been explained to death.

How did sex originate?

Well, the origin of gender is quite interesting, and I don't have the time or inclination to attempt to explain it. If you want, I would recommend what Richard Dawkins says on the matter in The Selfish Gene.

Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing?

We have discovered plenty of transistional fossils.

How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years?

Well this one's easy. They've evolved so that they perfectly suit their environment. Well, not perfectly, but any slight mutations would cause that offspring to be less suited to the environment.

How did blind chemistry create mind/intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality?

Chance and coincidence (see Anthropic Principle)

Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated?

I don't really understand this question. Why shouldn't it be tolerated?

Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Why do schools and universities teach evolution so dogmatically, stealing time from experimental biology that so benefits humankind?

Firstly, the study of evolution has led to a dramatically increased understanding of genetic material. Secondly, there are plenty of subjects taught at school that have no practical applications. English Literature, History, Number theory for example.

Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science?

Because it is fundamentally based on scientific principles. Geology is principly a study of history of rocks, but is taught as a science also. Also, please note that calling evolution a theory is confirming that it is correct. Look up the scientific definition of the word - It is NOT synonymous with conjecture when used in a scientific context.

Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? If “you can’t teach religion in science classes”, why is evolution taught?

Because it is based on scientifically verified findings rather than a 2000 year old book written by unknown persons.
 
In fact, the theory of gravity taught in schools has been falsified by observational evidence (e.g. the trajectory of the planet Mercury). So not only is it "just a theory", it is actually a wrong theory. Yet nobody complains that it is taught in schools.

To be fair, the theory of gravity taught in schools is a pretty good approximation. And I think that the majority of students would probably to understand general relativity... teaching it to any decent degree would require maths far beyond school level.
 
In other news: magnets, how do they work?!?
 
I'm going to take a crack at these questions. Note that I'm not a professional biologist, although I do have university training in it, and do this mostly to inform myself and see where the conversation leads.

How did life originate? How did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?


The Miller-Urey experiment, performed in 1952, established that complex organic compounds necessary for life can be created from pre-existing, non-organic compounds under conditions similar to primordial earth. Sidney Fox and Alexander Operin later showed that such compounds can aggregate into 'protobionts' that are may be precursors to prokaryotic life. This has never actually been proven beyond reasonable doubt, but it's certainly a possibility.
As an aside, evolution itself deals solely with intergenerational genetic variance and questions of the ultimate origin of life are largely moot as they neither prove nor disprove the theory in any way.

How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?

Again, I'm not a microbiologist, so take all this with a grain of utter disregard. In the 'RNA World Hypothesis' it is believed that the most rudimentary lifeforms functioned solely on RNA, which is both able to convey genetic information like DNA does, but also perform the role of catalyzing chemical reactions. RNA then evolved into DNA (it's been shown to be possible, in lab research) and proteins because both were better suited at their respective niches - genetic transmission and biochemical reactions respectively.
As for the second question, as I understand coding to be transcription of information from one form to another, I guess that basic chemistry of the elements could largely be considered a coding system. The subatomic composition of the elements dictates their interactions with other molecules and shapes the physical properties of the universe.
Oh, also String Theory, because the varying vibrational frequencies of the strings leads to the development of the forces and particles of space and time.


How could such errors (mutations) create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? How can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines?


I don't think I'm getting this question. Is it really just asking how the process of going from DNA to living biological entity works?

Why is natural selection taught as ‘evolution’ as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life?

Natural Selection is a fundamental component of the evolutionary theory. Environmental selection of favourable phenotypes leads to the expansion of the population in question and therefore the propagation of it's genotype. Again, either I don't understand the thrust of the question, or it just doesn't make much sense in the first place.
Maybe they're indicating that there's some confusion between Natural Selection being part of Evolution, as opposed to the entirety of it?

How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?

This is pretty far from my comfort zone, but after some research I feel like I have a reasonable guess. New pathways open up due to random genetic mutation and the quickly obtain the required enzyme because, due to something called the 'Screening Hypothesis,' there is a large diversity of inactive chemicals in an organism. These redundant chemicals are produced as side-effects of other, beneficial, processes. The great variety in available chemicals ensures that new pathways will have a fitting enzyme readily available when they evolve.

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?


Trying to prove a negative isn't exactly the most logical game in town.
The second question here actually threw me for a moment. Ultimately, I believe that the scientific method is fundamentally tied into naturalistic explanations because it requires measurable, empirical proof, and a testable hypothesis. My real concern was remedying the physical necessities of science with the more abstract reasoning present in mathematics.

How did multi-cellular life originate?

There are several credible theories for this process, but the one that is most accepted by the community (and makes the most sense to me) is the Colonial Theory. This theory states that a collection of single-celled organisms either separated and later reformed or never fully separated after cell division in the first place, creating a mock-multicellular creature. After the single celled organisms have coagulated, they then begin to differentiate into specialized roles, forming the basics of a multicellular organism. The reason this theory has such credence is that the process has actually been observed in taking place in slime molds.

How did sex originate?

This seems to be actually one of the trickier questions, as there is doesn't appear to be one commonly held theory. There are, however, many available explanations that make perfect sense to me.
One of these theories holds that simple organisms, when their DNA was damaged, replicated the structure of similar, nearby, organism in order to repair itself. Another that sex evolved out of a form of cannibalism in which one organism enveloped another but absorbed, rather than broke down, it's DNA.
There are more but I don't want to go into huge detail here. The take-home message here is not that there's no idea how it evolved, just that nobody's exactly sure which process is correct.

Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing?

They're not. There have been multiple transition, or 'missing link,' fossils found to date. In fact, I was downright amazed at how many have been discovered. I knew a few off hand, but when I ran a quick search I was shocked at the results.

Here's a list.


The article itself cautions that many of the fossils are not true 'transitional' specimens, but nevertheless this indicates a great deal of genetic drift over the millenia. Also, the fossil record is incredibly incomplete because of the sheer magnitude of the task.

How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years?

The first issue here is that majority of 'living fossils' actually have changed, albeit only slightly, over the time frame. Evolution doesn't always have to proceed in leaps and bounds; in fact, it's almost always the opposite.
This is really a non-issue for me. If a species fits into an environmental just right any mutations will probably be non-competitive with the 'original' form and just die out. I don't really see how this is a refutation of evolution at all.

How did blind chemistry create mind/intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality?

Intelligence and reasoning are a major evolutionary advantage, our own existence and dominance is proof enough of this. Because it is such a powerful advantage, natural selection pretty much ensures ever increasing cognitive ability over successive generations. Self-awareness was really just another step along the path. Meaning, altruism, and morality are all effective adaptations for a species to develop. They lead to a cooperative social structure, which history shows to be much more effective in terms of species propagation.

Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated?

Because the alternative is much more ridiculous.

Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Why do schools and universities teach evolution so dogmatically, stealing time from experimental biology that so benefits humankind?

Evolution is the bedrock of modern biology. I don't think this question needs much answering, it's kind of absurd.

Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science?

Evolution is confirmed by operational science. Again, I don't know where they came up with this one.

Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? If “you can’t teach religion in science classes”, why is evolution taught?

This is really the same as the last one. Evolution is studied through, and confirmed by, the scientific method. End of story.
 
These articles make me glad that i've lived my life in the northeast/west where these types are less common. I have actually never once met a creationist in real life, and i'd just as soon keep it that way.
 
Evolution can't answer what I should have for dinner. Or if I should wear red or blue shirt toomorrow. Clearly its not adequate enough iif it can't answer something simple as that.

Why accept less than perfect answer when you have god who can answer everything? Silly scientists.
 
I like how all the detailed posts were written in isolation from one another yet came up with the same answers. Except the question on sex.

That's a good cue to the strength of the 15 questions quoted in the OP.
 
Why is it that evolution has to account for everything while creationism/intelligent design are allowed to have a dumptruck load of fallacies? Yes, some of those questions you asked are things we dont quite know like where did sex come from or how did proteins form and become connected to the genetic code. Others just reek of lack of scientific knowledge like why spend so much time teaching evolution or why dont we have a fossil example for every creature that ever lived. Honestly the last group of questions undercut any legitimacy they had going on with the earlier question that truly are difficult to answer.
 
Why is it that evolution has to account for everything while creationism/intelligent design are allowed to have a dumptruck load of fallacies? Yes, some of those questions you asked are things we dont quite know like where did sex come from or how did proteins form and become connected to the genetic code. Others just reek of lack of scientific knowledge like why spend so much time teaching evolution or why dont we have a fossil example for every creature that ever lived. Honestly the last group of questions undercut any legitimacy they had going on with the earlier question that truly are difficult to answer.
Questions like these don't exist to actually challenge scientific views, they exist to try to trick people whose knowledge of evolution boils down to "I remember learning about that in high school". Generally the same sort of people who think natural selection no longer applies to humans because we don't kill and eat sick children or whatever.
 
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