Question Evolution! 15 questions evolutionists cannot adequately answer

[kramerfan86]

Huh??

Evolution is pwnt because of the arbitrary holiness of the sabbath day.

oh and once again repeated the grossly scientifically ignorant mindset that we have NOOOOOO evidence of evolution, because putting bones together is just silly guesswork when compared to the book of Genesis.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

That explains it, cheers.

I am now a believer.

Bedtime now I think.

 

[Sonereal]

We arent calling you ignorant for disagreeing.

I'm not calling you ignorant. Just greatly misinformed on how scientific theory and inquiry works. It's one thing to have faith. Having faith is a good thing. However, coming into a debate and claiming that evolution is just a "theory" (normal theory, not in the scientific sense), not fact, while trying to suggest ID is any better (it's worst) wasn't going to lead to anything good.

The often quoted "there is no proof" thing against evolution doesn't work either. Your appendix, the similarity of parts DNA across species, experiments done simulating conditions that would exist four billion years ago, and experiments done with bacteria are evidence of evolution.

The fact that you treat your beliefs as faith means you shouldn't need to prove or defend them. However, evolution is treated like all things in science is treaty, a theory that large parts of Biology is now built around.

 

[Midgard Eagle]

Huh??

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I think the lesson we can learn from this is... if something upsets you enough that you can't discuss it in a rational, coherent, open-minded way... maybe you should stay out of those discussions.

That's my way to handle discussions I can't handle, anyway.

 

[Singularity]

wrong, God wants us to learn how he made everything work through science.

If only that was so all the time. I've come to realize that the poential for having a crisis of faith can displace that yearning to learn when religious dogma is threatened by emerging science. Something that I think is very much at the core of the dispute in this topic.

Science doesnt want to kill your God(s). Instead religious opponents to scientific method kills Him/Her/It/Them themselves to avoid a crisis of faith.

 

[emzie]

When you argue in circles, nothing no one changes their mind but observers are often given the false impression that both sides have equally strong supporting evidence.

 

[Leoreth]

Not to mention that (as I already said) evolution is pretty incompatible with some religious ideas, starting the holiness seventh day of CREATION, which is applied WEEKLY.

I know Judaism is seriously invested into the concept of Sabbath, but are you invested into it because it has an inherent value to you, or because what happened during (your alleged) creation?

I seriously don't get that reasoning. How does the matter of how life was created thousands of years ago influence what the Sabbath means to you today, on a personal level?

 

[civ2]

warpus
Look, the problem is, it's not the question of religion only.
The subjectiveness of morality is affecting the crime rates as well.
No jokes.
The religious people could be wrong on many personal topics, but when coming to a crime action, if we're talking about true believers, they will always remember "the eye that sees and the ear that hears", which stops a true believer from sinning/criming.
I'm NOT saying it works 100% (not even 50%) - but at least there's chance.
For a non-believer, all what matters is, how shrew must he be to not get caught.
And, please, don't bring that "a good man would never do it" point.
Cause I'm not talking about such "good men", I'm talking about criminally inclined people.
For them, if there's no Higher Authority that can't be bribed or evaded, it's only a matter of time until they end up doing crimes.
I know for sure that close-to-none of "non-believers" (aka atheists of all sorts and levels, or rather "scienteists") will agree with me, but the point is valid, just compare the crime rates of ANY religion and that of the secular.
If you don't know that there's G-d, nothing stops you from ignoring other people.
And your consciousness is not less fond of bribes than any typical advocate...

 

[Sonereal]

That has absolutely nothing to do with evolution.

 

[Leoreth]

Not if you're living in "if you challenge one thing my religion says, you challenge everything my religions says" world.

 

[civ2]

About Sabbath:

1. Now the heavens and the earth were completed and all their host.
2. And God completed on the seventh day His work that He did, and He abstained on the seventh day from all His work that He did.
3. And God blessed the seventh day and He hallowed it, for thereon He abstained from all His work that God created to do.
4. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, on the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.

English translation of Friday night kiddush
The sixth day. And the heavens and the earth and all that filled them were complete.
And on the seventh day God completed the labor He had performed, and He refrained on the seventh day from all the labor which He had performed. And God blessed the seventh day and He sanctified it, for He then refrained from all his labor - from the act of creation that God had performed.
...
Blessed are You, Lord our God, King of the Universe, Who sanctified us with His commandments, and hoped for us, and with love and intent invested us with His sacred Sabbath, as a memorial to the deed of Creation. It is the first amongst the holy festivals, commemorating the exodus from Egypt. For You chose us, and sanctified us, out of all nations, and with love and intent You invested us with Your Holy Sabbath.
Blessed are You, Sanctifier of the Sabbath.

English translation of Shabbat morning kiddush

And the Children of Israel shall observe the Shabbat, by establishing the Shabbat for their generations as an eternal covenant. Between Me and the Children of Israel it is an eternal sign, that [in] six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He ceased from work and rested.

Remember the Shabbat day to sanctify it. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is Shabbat for the LORD your God; you shall not do any work — you, your son and your daughter, your manservant and your maidservant, and your cattle, and the stranger who is in your gates. For [in] six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Shabbat day and made it holy.

Quite clear, isn't it???

 

[kramerfan86]

yes and dont eat shellfish, because stuff like that really MATTERS man.

Honestly Im done until someone actually worth the time to debate jumps back in. When Jewish religious code begins being entered as evidence, Im tapping out. Keep being blind while scientists keep working hard to understand and improve the world, I dont really care anymore. Honestly this is probably why religion will get back into the classroom eventually, it just takes more willpower than most people have to bother arguing with this sort of mindset.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

The main argument for evolution is: animal have similarities therefore evolution.

 

[dirtyparrot]

warpus
Look, the problem is, it's not the question of religion only.
The subjectiveness of morality is affecting the crime rates as well.
No jokes.
The religious people could be wrong on many personal topics, but when coming to a crime action, if we're talking about true believers, they will always remember "the eye that sees and the ear that hears", which stops a true believer from sinning/criming.
I'm NOT saying it works 100% (not even 50%) - but at least there's chance.
For a non-believer, all what matters is, how shrew must he be to not get caught.
And, please, don't bring that "a good man would never do it" point.
Cause I'm not talking about such "good men", I'm talking about criminally inclined people.
For them, if there's no Higher Authority that can't be bribed or evaded, it's only a matter of time until they end up doing crimes.
I know for sure that close-to-none of "non-believers" (aka atheists of all sorts and levels, or rather "scienteists") will agree with me, but the point is valid, just compare the crime rates of ANY religion and that of the secular.
If you don't know that there's G-d, nothing stops you from ignoring other people.
And your consciousness is not less fond of bribes than any typical advocate...

I'm sure that you have mountains of evidence to support this.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

The amount of willful ignorance displayed in this thread is simply astounding. I'm starting to have second thoughts about becoming an educator. I'm that disheartened by what I've been reading from some people.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

The amount of willful ignorance displayed in this thread is simply astounding. I'm starting to have second thoughts about becoming an educator. I'm that disheartened by what I've been reading from some people.

sometimes you have to learn how do politely disagree with people.

 

[emzie]

The main argument for evolution is: animal have similarities therefore evolution.

If you would like to learn why this is incorrect, let me know. If you just want to make a string of trolling statements, please continue doing so.

The amount of willful ignorance displayed in this thread is simply astounding. I'm starting to have second thoughts about becoming an educator. I'm that disheartened by what I've been reading from some people.

It's my intent to become a biology teacher. Think about how I feel after threads like this

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

People who essentially do this:

do not deserve to be treated politely.

 

[kramerfan86]

The amount of willful ignorance displayed in this thread is simply astounding. I'm starting to have second thoughts about becoming an educator. I'm that disheartened by what I've been reading from some people.

Yea I mean Im honestly depressed by it. It would be one thing if their stances were a little more reasonable. I mean like some of the original questions in the OP. They dont really question evolution, but they are fair questions against non-religious viewpoints. But I mean most of the thread has just been ridiculous. I mean evolutions believe in evolution because animals are similar, yea um no its goes a bit deeper than that. I really dont see how the education system is failing so poorly.

 

[Sonereal]

The main argument for evolution is: animal have similarities therefore evolution.

Yes, when you greatly simplify it. More like animals display not just similarities, but many actually share great amount of commonality in their DNA. DNA itself is something that evolved from simpler RNA. Four billion years is a lot longer than 6000 years and therefore is hard to grasp just how much time that allows for the vast complexity of life we see today. Not to mention that there have been dozens, if not hundreds, of experiments regarding early earth conditions, evolution in bacteria, and more.

Look at horses. Ever wonder why man used complicated chariots instead of just getting on a horse? It's because, after many generations, man bred strong breeds of horses capable of the job.

Then there's the fact you have to keep getting a flu shot every year or two. Why do you? Because viruses, being far less complex, mutate often. The viruses that couldn't survive a vaccine died and the viruses that didn't were able to pass on their traits. Bacteria and virus are examples of evolution and happen right before our eyes.

Isn't the main argument for ID: A book written by some guy told me so?