Thanks for those replies!! Now that I am playing with no Barbs.... I, uh, kinda miss them. And yes, the early experience points come in most handy down the road. But... come on.... "RAGING BARBS"? Huh? Wow! I've played raging Barbs a few times... and actually, come to think of it, unless I was really rushing thru the game, I found that it forced me to more critically examine city productions. If I remember correctly, back in CIV III, City Unhappiness and Citizen Content (I know those aren't the right words) was much easier to manage, which is to say that City Management was much more easier than in IV. But I digress. Maybe In the beginning I like to build 3 or 4 explorers (as Montezuma a.k.a Shady Grady) and explore in concentric circles. Pop goody huts as much as possible and locate my nearest and closest (same thing right?) neighbors and go from there. As for my current experiment, just barely hanging in there now that it is around the year 1450 and I am running into Washington's Rifle's. My military units, and I just began building Grenadier's, just don't seem to cut it. So... the Barbs must remain in the future. Thanks again!