Religious people are stupid?
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Zack
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Can you be more specific? "People talk" about all kinds of stuff that never happened.
gay_Aleks
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People took their time to say that "the Towers collapsed kinda weird, don'tya think? musthavebeen dem explosives". That doesn't mean it happened.
Tahuti
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What about Buddhism?
Personally, I doubt non-theism can make the equivalents of the Notre Dame or the Matteus Passion.
Terxpahseyton
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Who gives a shoot about Notre Dam. Does it have any bearing whatsoever on your daily life?
"Monuments" is probably the worst reason for advocating an ideology I have ever heard.
And it seems bleedingly obvious that powerful music does not require religion.
"Monuments" is probably the worst reason for advocating an ideology I have ever heard.
And it seems bleedingly obvious that powerful music does not require religion.
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I frankly think it is the best. Considering the finite nature of humans, I think it is great there is some way to make something that goes over it.
I don't see why we should limit the amount of inspiration available. 'Inspired' etymologically meant something like 'to be direct by a god'.
Ziggy Stardust
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I'm rather happy religion sparked some stunning architecture. Oogling churches and cathedrals are always on the to do list on my holidays.
However to claim great architecture or great music requires theism is loony tunes.
However to claim great architecture or great music requires theism is loony tunes.
gay_Aleks
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I don't think that's what he said. He said that theism is one of the many inspirations for great art, not a "requirement".
Terxpahseyton
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Well that is an understandable sentiment. However, it perhaps is a good idea to reflect on the actual importance of this sentiment. Hence my question what bearing Notre dam had on your daily life.
Well the assumption seems to have been that theism is bad even if it not all the time in every possible aspect. So that would probably be the reason.
I don't know what this is supposed to tell us.
Yes I agree, I also like to visit pretty churches. My point was just that even though it is nice, it is not actually important Like vanilla ice cream is nice, but if there was no vanilla ice cream, it would not actually matter.
Ziggy Stardust
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Doubting non-theism can make the equivalent etc etc.
Well, I think there's a difference between inspiration and 'source of funding'. Depends on how the monuments were financed.
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The motive for building monuments is an interesting one.
The bigger the thing you build the more awed visitors to your culture are supposed to be, I think.
It's just a matter of ostentation. Just showing off, maybe. "Mine's bigger than yours". Ooer!
Still, it's probably worth a try: if you can intimidate someone with just a building, that might save you some costly military effort down the line.
The bigger the thing you build the more awed visitors to your culture are supposed to be, I think.
It's just a matter of ostentation. Just showing off, maybe. "Mine's bigger than yours". Ooer!
Still, it's probably worth a try: if you can intimidate someone with just a building, that might save you some costly military effort down the line.
Traitorfish
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It's also about affirming a particular social and by extension cosmic order within the context of your own culture, I think. A big cathedral can awe locals as well as visitors, and perhaps more effectively so, because locals may come to identify with these structures, to regard the dignity of these structures and therefore the social order they express as a condition of their own dignity.
You have to be completely insane to believe that non theists cannot possess the same artistic / engineering talents as theists.
And yes, Buddhism can die as well.
Maybe not 'the same'. The flavors of the artistic endeavours would be different. You might need to be Christian to make the Statue of David. You might need to be atheist to design xenomorphs.
Not 'need' need, just the faith informs the flavour of the artist.
Not 'need' need, just the faith informs the flavour of the artist.
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What people wrote about is the only direct evidence we have. Direct evidence on most happenings just gets forgotten, unless people think that they need to make a record of it. I grant that the book of Genesis does not even have a human record element other than the point that God himself recorded it. Now you can debate whether there is a God, or whether there was a Moses. Or whether there was even a Jesus who himself thought there was a Moses or a Abraham.
A step further is that what a person writes down may have been not clearly understood, or at the whim of the one writing it down. That would not negate direct evidence, although it could be misleading if not recorded as close to what happened.
If the towers did not collapse why make up a story on how they did? Every one can still see that they are standing.
Sometimes it is not the fact that something happened, but the mechanism of how it happened that trips people up. If God said he did it, arguing how he did it does not change the original fact that he did. It does raise doubt though, and if he did not do it the way my mind thinks it should have been done, does not negate God, as it now depends on my understanding of the issue.
You dont need to believe that Gandalf or Harry Potter were real to have written such novels. Similarly, you dont need to believe in God to create religious art.
Some people in this thread are doing well to show that religion does lead to stupidity.
Kennigit
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There is a nonzero probability that a renaissance or medeival painter didnt care about the religious paintings he drew at all, except that he liked being able to draw penises
warpus
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Your heuristic seems outdated though, why haven't you updated it to more efficiently filter out antitheists or anti-Christians?
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