Romney up by 11 points!

[AlpsStranger]

--Cue conspiracy theory on how US elections are not real elections.--

 

[del62]

The American people vote for members of the electoral college? Is this correct, so technically he is right.

 

[Borachio]

<nvm>

 

[Archbob]

I still don't see why they just don't make it popular vote.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I still don't see why they just don't make it popular vote.

Because it's hard to change the constitution.

But I agree with you.

 

[AlpsStranger]

<snip>

Borachio retracted so I retracted quote response. Carry on.

 

[bhsup]

The American people vote for members of the electoral college? Is this correct, so technically he is right.

As opposed to you guys voting for a party with the party deciding who their leader without any input from the citizenry.

 

[del62]

As opposed to you guys voting for a party with the party deciding who their leader without any input from the citizenry.

It was just an observation on Mr Cooper trying to be clever.

The great think about our parliment is it can make decisions without the logjam of senate, president and congress, whether they are the right decicions is for another thread.

 

[Sonereal]

Eh, pretty sure you're exactly 100% wrong there old buddy. I am 100% confident that either Romney or Obama will be elected in 2012.

Can you be a 100% sure that Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt won't rise from the grave on a joint Zombie Moose Party?

 

[Antilogic]

Can you be a 100% sure that Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt won't rise from the grave on a joint Zombie Moose Party?

I might have just creamed my pants in antici-electoral-excitement.

 

[kramerfan86]

I was totally vote for the zombie moose party.

 

[Borachio]

<snip>

Borachio retracted so I retracted quote response. Carry on.

That's a shame. Now I'll never know. But my point was'nt very interesting and seemed to show how ignorant I am. I realised I was forgetting about electoral colleges.

 

[Chiteng]

It's always easy to make a choice for incorrect reasons:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072501790.html

And Obama has NOT closed the borders. That means that the problem will NOT be solved. Also he is NOT deporting 'harmless' Juan and his wife and five kids.
Obama allows them to stay.

That isnt what I want to see.

 

[Chiteng]

No politician has done a thing about illegal immigration since Reagan's amnesty. 5 presidents and over 25 years of Congresses have chosen no to do anything about illegal immigration. Current Republicans in Congress have refused to work with Obama on an immigration reform. While GW Bush was in office, Republicans refused to work with him on immigration reform as well.

Why would Romney do any differently?

And, more importantly, why is it so important that it decides your vote?

Obama refuses to consider any action that does NOT include amnesty for the illegals already here. It is OBAMA, that is blocking any action. Not the Republicans.
The existing legislation would allow the Prez to come down hard on illegals, if he wanted to. He would not need a damn thing from Congress.

I dont like people who break the rules. I dont like people who reward lawbreakers.
I want the illegals gone. That is my right. I will not apologize for feeling that way.

It matters to me not at all about the sophistry of previous administrations.
What matters is that they are here, and they are a problem.

 

[Cutlass]

Obama refuses to consider any action that does NOT include amnesty for the illegals already here. It is OBAMA, that is blocking any action. Not the Republicans.
The existing legislation would allow the Prez to come down hard on illegals, if he wanted to. He would not need a damn thing from Congress.

I dont like people who break the rules. I dont like people who reward lawbreakers.
I want the illegals gone. That is my right. I will not apologize for feeling that way.

It matters to me not at all about the sophistry of previous administrations.
What matters is that they are here, and they are a problem.

Obama would need 100 times as much money from Congress. If not more.

And you cannot, with any honesty at all, blame Obama for what the Republicans in Congress have done. This is their choice, not his.

 

[GhostWriter16]

And Obama has NOT closed the borders. That means that the problem will NOT be solved. Also he is NOT deporting 'harmless' Juan and his wife and five kids.Obama allows them to stay.

That isnt what I want to see.

OK, I'm against illegal immigration, probably not as strongly as you are, but I am against it.

You aren't making our case here.

The problem is that people are working off the books. That means lower wages and inferior working conditions, which means lawful citizens can't compete, and it means no taxes being paid, which means that these people are mooching off the honest citizens who pay taxes (Since they certainly use some government resources, everyone uses some.) That is the reason illegal immigration is harmful. With legal immigrants, at least they function under the same rules, and pay the same taxes, as the rest of us, and compete on the same terms. That's why I don't have a problem with legal immigration but I do have a problem with illegal immigration.

Just saying "Harmless man and his wife and five kids" is actually making a debatable but fairly reasonable position look crappy and heartless. I'd recommend against doing it.

Oh, and for the record, I support deportation too even. I don't support draconian measures to implement it, I don't support the kind of profiling that's going on in Arizona in order to stop it, since it also affects lawful citizens (I don't consider traffic infractors criminals, and this is a discernable shift from my position a year ago) but if you do catch an illegal immigrant somehow, he should be deported, and businesses should face heavy fines if they hire illegal immigrants knowingly.

But you aren't making the position sound very reasonable.

EDIT:

I hate to side with Cutlass But he's not even saying you are wrong here. Based on what I know of him, I tend to think he'd disagree with you, but he hasn't said such in this thread.

All he's arguing is that its not Obama's fault. I actually somewhat disagree, the fact that he can't catch all of them obviously isn't his fault, but the cheap political manipulation that was amnesty right before the election is Obama's fault and he deserves to get called out for it.

But he's not actually saying you don't have a right to feel the way you do.

 

[King Kalmah]

I really do need to register to vote...I was pissed when I missed my chance to vote for the first time when I was 20...good thing I didn't though...our man McCain lost and I already get bummed about enough things...this year has a good feeling to it....

"The web-based survey"




Next!

Good point...I'd vote on the web...but I got work and other crap to do in Real life...


Web and Real Life.... two completely different things....

Gotta keep them separated!

 

[JollyRoger]

And Obama has NOT closed the borders. That means that the problem will NOT be solved. Also he is NOT deporting 'harmless' Juan and his wife and five kids.
Obama allows them to stay.

That isnt what I want to see.

Both the border patrol and enforcement are at record levels. Actions speak louder than Romney flip-flopping around. The administration is focusing on the most troublesome illegals and giving a bit of a pss to those that are more difficult and expensive to deport (those non-troublemakers with families, jobs, and real estate).

Anyway, since you claimed that President Obama had done nothing (in all caps no less), I am sure you are composing a retraction as I type.

 

[AlpsStranger]

I dont like people who break the rules. I dont like people who reward lawbreakers. I want the illegals gone. That is my right. I will not apologize for feeling that way.

And I won't apologize when your party is catastrophically crippled when you #1 fail to actually deport jack effing crap and #2 lose 90% of the Hispanic vote for the next three decades.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Both the border patrol and enforcement are at record levels. Actions speak louder than Romney flip-flopping around. The administration is focusing on the most troublesome illegals and giving a bit of a pss to those that are more difficult and expensive to deport (those non-troublemakers with families, jobs, and real estate).

Anyway, since you claimed that President Obama had done nothing (in all caps no less), I am sure you are composing a retraction as I type.

Republicans just want to deport one illegal who happens to be a muslim born in Kenya. Once the GOP get back into power again they couldnt care less about illegal immigration, until the next election. Big business and old money call the shots in the GOP; not the social conservatives.