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[RD] Russia Invades Ukraine: Eight

Does it make it more likely that now Russia regards itself as being in a position to discuss peace (with taking the four republics- sorry, I only added that because by now one has to take into account vacant statements of the type "it always could discuss peace!1!1"...) ?
It doesn't change much IMO, only the fact that Ukraine lost another bargaining chip.
Discussion of peace terms are already underway, involving US shuttle diplomacy. Witkoff visits to Moscow, Dmitriev to US, several phone calls between Trump and Putin are indication of that. Whether they will succeed is another question.
 
In other news, Ukrainian official casually admitted they lied about IL-76 plane. Last year, they indeed shot down a plane full of Ukrainian prisoners.
Just wait a couple of years for more "shocking revelations".
Today, in an interview with the Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, Leonid Timchenko officially admitted that the downed IL-76 was not S-300 missiles, as Ukrainian propaganda wrote, but Ukrainian prisoners. Quote from the interview "I'll explain on the example: when we receive a package and see that there are body parts, we realise that we are talking about the remains of more than one body. Do you remember the situation with the downed IL-76, in which there were about 60 prisoners of war? The remains of this plane were turned over 500." 500 packages of body fragments from the plane were returned to Ukraine in March.
 
January 24, 2024

Ukraine says it was not informed about need to ensure safety of airspace before plane crash in Belgorod Oblast​



Ukraine's military intelligence, or HUR as it is known in Ukraine, said the Russian side did not inform it about the need to ensure the safety of the airspace before a plane crashed over Belgorod that the Russian Defense Ministry claims had Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) on board.
 
Sequence of events:
The US-China competition heats up with the reciprocal tariffs.
Well known serial liar in Ukraine starts talking about "chinese soldiers" and uploads a video or recycled propaganda ticteld "north_koreans".
Most people here starts talking like serial liar has stated a fact instead of doing more of the same he usually does.
Nothing comes out of it but "media engagement" for the dwindling faithful and wasted time.

Those who don't want to learn will not learn, ever?
Apart from the claims of the Kiev junta, on what factual basis do you believe that there is any north korean soldier in Ukraine? Whta evidence have they presented? Last thing the miscast comedian there claimed was that Ukraine had no dead bodies of these mythical north koreans because "they burned their own faces before dying". Recycled Korea War propaganda?
You are being trolled and don't even realize it. Far be it from me to dis-illusion you then.
"NK troops fight in Kursk region since end of December. Not sure how many soldiers on Frontline and about casualties, coz Ukraine constantly send reinforcement, and even tried new offencive (that failed), so the clashes here very intensive. And not much videos came from here."

Within Russia, who said that?
"N. Korean troops were confirmed in Russia in the third week of October. What are the coincidental events in SK in October?"

Confirmed? Confirmed by whom?

Confirmed by Valery Gerasimov himself, Chief of the General Staff of Russia.


 
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^Everybody knew it, except inno who is always the last one to know anything (no counting the habitual ones here who use to pretend they don't know anything). But thanks for the humiliating recopilatory, i doubt it is worth the effort though. The guy will return with another of his 'lesson' as if nothing.

Ukraine says it was not informed about need to ensure safety of airspace before plane crash in Belgorod Oblast​



Ukraine's military intelligence, or HUR as it is known in Ukraine, said the Russian side did not inform it about the need to ensure the safety of the airspace before a plane crashed over Belgorod that the Russian Defense Ministry claims had Ukrainian prisoners of war (POWs) on board.
That is weird, I was sure Ukrainians were eager to kill his own soldiers. LoL

Fact is at best, it was a criminal mistake on Russia's part; at worst (and we're talking about Russia, so always bet on the worst option), it was another monstruous war crime on Russian part planned to discredit Zelensky.

Meanwhile in real news:


President Zelensky described his meeting with Trump at the Vatican as potentially historic, and unlike others the guy doesn't use to lie, so it was potentially historic indeed. But we are talking about the orange clown whose word is worthless, so it will remain potential probably. Anyway I'm sure not having J. D. Vanceyev hovering around helped a lot.
 
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President Zelensky described his meeting with Trump at the Vatican as potentially historic, and unlike others the guy doesn't use to lie, so it was potentially historic indeed.
I am trying to give the benefit of the doubt and explore an angle where this statement is more than the "trust me bro" meme. But you just claimed that what Z said is correct, because "the guy doesn't use to lie", so you don't leave much space for charity.
This kind of foregoing any logic solely on account of what the favorite team is, surely is the antithesis of a rational position - and we do need rational positions, perhaps not really in a web forum setting, but this isn't a game.
 
It is historic(al) because of the setting, two chairs in the marble halls of the Vatican is a first I think.

Otherwise it is best to assume nothing will come of it, because Trump is an idiot and whatever he attempts usually fails, as recent events show.
 
It is historic(al) because of the setting, two chairs in the marble halls of the Vatican is a first I think.

Otherwise it is best to assume nothing will come of it, because Trump is an idiot and whatever he attempts usually fails, as recent events show.
The worst thing about idiots is that their own inflated ego makes them easily manipulated by obscure arse-lickers like Vance and others. That makes them even more unpredictable and dangerous.
 
Possibly - still I maintain that the picture is what will make history, picture-of-year material, and likely used for years to come, not what was said there, which was likely, as usual when Trump is involved, complete nonsense.
 
Possibly - still I maintain that the picture is what will make history, picture-of-year material, and likely used for years to come, not what was said there, which was likely, as usual when Trump is involved, complete nonsense.
There's no "possibly", otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the gem that we need to rely on Z's lack of lying to establish... the location of the meeting.

Anyway, on the news side:


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This is a very dubious use of "temporary". Unless he simply means that he expects a new war to break out not long after peace is signed.

Arguing over whether Russia will keep Crimea is also strange - given they are clearly to take more lands, if not outright all they now control.

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The “possibly” was directed at Thorgalegs post there, nvm.

The location AND the setting, Zelensky is paid actor, knows all about mis-en-scene, was probably well aware he was posing for history books.

Trump, while also an actor, as no awareness at all, to him a chair is a chair, and one marble hall is much like another, he thinks his words are important, they are not imho.
 
The “possibly” was directed at Thorgalegs post there, nvm.

The location AND the setting, Zelensky is paid actor, knows all about mis-en-scene, was probably well aware he was posing for history books.

Trump, while also an actor, as no awareness at all, to him a chair is a chair, and one marble hall is much like another, he thinks his words are important, they are not imho.
Trump's words aren't important due to Trump - an apparently senile person - but because he is president of a major power (and crucially the only one that could make a change by supporting Ukraine).
 
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Yes, it very likely is. War propaganda, is that a new concept for you? It has been years and Ukraine offered no evidence and allowed no independent thioer party to investigate its Bucha claims. There was only one country demanding an investigation in the UNSC, it wasn't Ukraine or any of its sponsors. Those blocked it.
I also recall the phony "massacre" that NATO's pet terrorists in Kosovo set up to justify to its public opinions" the bombing do Serbia do you? I don't think so.

Oh wait, you still believe in the rape press by Hamas in Israel, right? And still fully support Israel's deliberate targeting of civilians day in and day in.

The recent two missiles in the Sumy area hit an army cerimony to which some civilians had for some reason the ukranians only know been invited. Russian reports placed a number of western military officers there also.
I have noticed a consistent pattern: everty time the russian mod claims it hit (no ukranian or NATO confirmantion) foreign miliotary "advisors" deployed in Ukraine, western press publishes pieces crying bloody murder of "civilains". Pictures of the hit places show dead and wounded people in uniform though. Was this one any different? I remain skeptical of any claims until I see evidence. There seems to be agreement that there were dead civilians in this one - an unusual occurence in this war compared to the war you support against Gaza - but no side contests that the target was a military unit.

If you were able to maintain any critical thinking, taking into consideration that all sides in a war deploy propaganda, you could learn a lot about how a war is going from the evolution of that propaganda. If you don't, you'll be surprised in the end. Did I ever mention that the germans kept announcing german victores ever closer to Berlin in 1943-45? That became the way the german public knew how close they were to losing - official propaganda inevitably was quite revealing.

The "kidnapping of children" thing for actually evacuating childrem from a war zone into safe areas, btw, is embarrassing by now. Repeating it now is ridiculous. Its political utility ceased years ago. It was a trumped-up charge crafted on the premise that Russia's government could be collapsed and Putin hauled to the Hague like Milosevic - whom, btw,they never manged to convict because those changes back then were also made up.

‘Not a single North Korean violated his oath’: How our allies helped us liberate Kursk​

https://www.rt.com/russia/616373-north-koreans-liberate-kursk/

RT
3–4 minutes



Pyongyang’s troops showed discipline, coordination and disregard for death, contributing greatly to the defeat of Ukrainian invaders

Until this moment, Russia had neither confirmed nor denied the presence of DPRK (North Korean) troops on the front line. Strictly speaking, we were not obligated to notify anyone about it. This is a matter of bilateral relations and agreements. Meanwhile, North Korean units gradually began to arrive in Russia during the Kursk campaign.

At first, they underwent training at military ranges, familiarizing themselves with modern combat tactics, mastering drone operation skills, and adapting to field realities. Then, the “combat Buryats,” as our military jokingly and covertly called them, were transferred to the Kursk region. They lived in field conditions to avoid attracting attention. Initially, they held the third line of defense, then the second, and eventually, they were tested in fortifications and, finally, in assaults.

Korean soldiers distinguished themselves by their coordination, discipline, a fatalist disregard for death, and remarkable endurance. Understandably so – they were mostly young, strong, well-built men, decently trained back home, particularly the units from the Special Operations Forces. They made a significant contribution to the liberation of the Korenevsky District, fought in battles near Staraya and Novaya Sorochina, and broke through to Kurilovka.

They had a strict rule – never to be captured alive, and never to surrender voluntarily.

Incidentally, the enemy tried to persuade them to do just that by dropping counterfeit DPRK banknotes, bearing inscriptions in Korean that read: “Surrender! Kim Jong-un has driven you to death and starved your families. Place a yellow flag before you, raise your hands, and loudly shout ‘Freedom!’ Then slowly walk toward the Ukrainian soldiers and follow their instructions.”

Not a single Korean soldier violated his oath or allied commitments. For Pyongyang, it was crucial to gain experience in modern warfare, study the tactics and technologies of a potential enemy (“the collective West”), and acquire knowledge that had been inaccessible due to sanctions. These objectives were achieved. Moreover, under the framework of a comprehensive bilateral agreement, the Koreans made a substantial contribution to the defeat of the Ukrainian forces on our soil.

Their arrival allowed us to maintain pressure on other sections of the front, continue the offensive in the Donbass, and inflict enormous damage on the invasion force, which consisted of 95 (!) battalions.

This text was originally published in Russian on Aleksandr Kots's Telegram channel, and translated by the RT team

Maybe they're just trolling? But Russian Telegram channels are now releasing videos of North Korean soldiers fighting at the frontline and playing in the snow, and of a Korean choir singing for the injured ones.
 
New monument in Pyongyang being planned to celebrate North Korean soldiers' participation in the war.

North Korea confirms it sent troops to Russia to support its war against Ukraine​


By HYUNG-JIN KIM

6–7 minutes



Updated 10:30 PM EDT, April 27, 2025

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea confirmed Monday for the first time that it sent troops to Russia to support its war against Ukraine, saying the deployment was meant to help Russia regain its Kursk region that Ukrainian forces seized in a surprise incursion last year.

U.S., South Korean and Ukraine intelligence officials have said North Korea dispatched about 10,000-12,000 troops to Russia last fall in its first participation in a major armed conflict since the end of the 1950-53 Korean War. But North Korea hadn’t confirmed or denied its reported troop deployments to Russia until Monday.

The North Korean announcement came two days after Russia said its troops have fully reclaimed the Kursk region. Ukrainian officials denied the claim.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un decided to send combat troops to Russia under a mutual defense treaty signed by him and Russian President Vladimir Putin in June 2024, the North’s Central Military Commission said in a statement carried by state media. The treaty — considered the two countries’ biggest defense agreement since the end of the Cold War — requires both nations to use all available means to provide immediate military assistance if either is attacked.

The statement cited Kim as saying the deployment was meant to “annihilate and wipe out the Ukrainian neo-Nazi occupiers and liberate the Kursk area in cooperation with the Russian armed forces.”

“They who fought for justice are all heroes and representatives of the honor of the motherland,” Kim said.

Kim said that a monument will soon be erected in Pyongyang to mark North Korea’s battle feats and that flowers will be laid before the tombstones of the fallen soldiers. Kim said the government must take steps to preferentially treat and take care of the families of the soldiers who took part in the war.

The North Korean statement didn’t say how many troops North Korea eventually sent and how many of them had died. But in March, South Korea’s military said that around 4,000 North Korean soldiers had been killed or wounded in the Russia-Ukraine war fronts. the South Korean military also assessed at the time that North Korea sent about 3,000 additional troops to Russia earlier this year.

North Korean soldiers are highly disciplined and well trained, but observers say they’ve become easy targets for drone and artillery attacks on Russian-Ukraine battlefields due to their lack of combat experience and unfamiliarity with the terrain. Still, Ukrainian military and intelligence officials have assessed that the North Koreans gained crucial battlefield experience and have been key to Russia’s strategy of overwhelming Ukraine by throwing large numbers of soldiers into the battle for Kursk.

South Korea’s Unification Ministry on Monday urged North Korea to withdraw its troops from Russia immediately, saying the North’s support of Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine poses a grave provocation to international security. Spokesperson Koo Byoungsam also called the North’s troops’ deployment “an act against humanity” that has sacrificed young North Korean soldiers for their government.

In a Kremlin meeting Saturday, Valery Gerasimov, chief of the general staff for Russia’s armed forces, informed Putin of Russia’s regaining of the Kursk region. Gerasimov also confirmed that North Korean soldiers fought alongside Russia to repel Ukrainian troops from the Kursk region and “demonstrated high professionalism, showed fortitude, courage and heroism in battle.”

Ukraine’s General Staff countered that its defensive operation in certain areas in Kursk was continuing.

If confirmed, Russia’s victory in Kursk would deprive Ukraine of key leverage in U.S.-brokered efforts to negotiate an end to the more than 3-year-old war by exchanging its gains for some of Russia-occupied land in Ukraine.

On Saturday, President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met in Vatican City on the sidelines of funeral of Pope Francis to discuss a potential ceasefire deal. Shortly after arriving in Rome on Friday, Trump said on social media that Ukraine and Russia should meet for “very high-level talks” on ending the war. But less than 24 hours later, Trump said he doubted Putin’s willingness to end the war.


In March, Kim expressed his unwavering support for Russia’s war in Ukraine during a meeting with a top Russian security official, Sergei Shoigu, in Pyongyang. State media reports said Kim and Shoigu reaffirmed their commitment to uphold the mutual defense treaty. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Rudenko told Russian media the governments were discussing a potential visit by Kim to Moscow.

North Korea has been supplying a vast amount of conventional weapons to Russia as well. South Korea, the U.S. and their partners worry that Russia could reward North Korea by transferring high-tech weapons technologies that can sharply enhance its nuclear weapons program. North Korea is expected to receive economic and other assistance from Russia as well.
https://apnews.com/article/north-ko...-ukraine-war-34716db67af6176d0d5e0ebf1b887881
 


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It's not like peace will only take Crimea away (which has been away since 2014).
US (Witkoff) already spoke of recognizing "four new Russian republics" to make Russia agree to peace etc, then there's also the reality on the ground with no way to return them to Ukraine.
 
Trump also "thought" he'd settle the war in 24 hrs. - it is clear he does not know what he is talking about, they're playing him for a fool imho.


There is no mystery to Trump. It’s all plain to see – the habits of the vandal, the autocrat, the gangster and the fool – with Ukraine as clear a guide as any. Not that that is any comfort to the people of that besieged land. They don’t want to be a cautionary tale, a demonstration case of the fecklessness and menace of Donald Trump. They want to be a free, independent nation. Their great misfortune is that the mighty country that should be their most powerful friend is now in the hands of an enemy.

Zelensky on the other hand is increasingly the statesman, calm and reasonable, in stark contrast to both Trump and Putin,

He had calmly pointed out that he could not do as Trump demanded and recognise Russian control of Crimea, which Russia grabbed in 2014, because it was forbidden by his country’s constitution. It’s telling that Trump should be enraged by a president who thinks constitutions have to be respected.

It is therefore no surprise he's immensely popular, even (or especially) among a crowd that could be expected to oppose all wars, clearly there is no moral equivalence to be seen in this conflict.

 
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It's not like peace will only take Crimea away (which has been away since 2014).
US (Witkoff) already spoke of recognizing "four new Russian republics" to make Russia agree to peace etc, then there's also the reality on the ground with no way to return them to Ukraine.
Wait, I want to speculate.

de facto vs de jure

I think Trump is okay with Ukraine promising not to try to take back any land currently controlled by Russia. But Russia insists on de facto recognition, which Ukraine won't accept, and so Trump thinks Russia doesn't want the war to end.
 
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